Can i accuse the traditionalists of causing scandal?

[Julianna]

Traditionalists are as capable of causing scandal as anyone else - being “trad” gives no immunity against sinfulness; it means only that that kind of Catholic will sin in a slightly different way from his theological opponents: yet both are sinners, so both can cause scandal.​

Except maybe for latinmasslover. The N.O. mass is here to stay. Some like Latin…go for it. One is not any better than the other. The Church has spoken on this. If you think headcoverings, gilded altars, solid gold chalices and traditional music make you get in the groove of worship…have at it. The N.O. is different in style…but it “IS” still Mass. To some Mass is a sacrifice…to others it is a celebration. I prefer the celebration…latinmasslover prefers the sacrifice. He/she can go on and on ad naseum with comparisions to a satanistic mass…it is just his/her opinion and has no bearing on what Catholics prefer. As a human being…he/she does not have the corner on the “truth”…his/her truth is based on the enviroment of worship he/she most satisfies him/her as holy and reverant.

I find it interesting to see posts by those who IMHO are hard core traditionalists having disagreement with latinmasslover. Chrismyster…that makes me giddy.

 

[BobP123]

I find it interesting to see posts by those who IMHO are hard core traditionalists having disagreement with latinmasslover. Chrismyster…that makes me giddy.

What about hard core progressives in disagreement on how to do next Sunday’s liturgy or what music to play, for example? Now if that would make the hard core traditionalists “giddy” would that be another scandal they’d be guilty of?

To some Mass is a sacrifice…to others it is a celebration. I prefer the celebration…

This is not a preference issue but one of dogma. You have an obligation as a Catholic to believe any form of the Mass is a sacrifice.

 

[latinmasslover]

So, in your eyes, since i am a N.O loving Catholic, that makes me Protestant.

Wow, this just keeps getting better and better!

Perhaps Bob is onto something, no traditionalist would so carelessly defend their position.

I never said that; I myself know many NO Catholics who are extremely holy. As to you being Protestant, your attacks on the Catholic Church make that obvious, it has nothing to do with which Rite you prefer.

 

[paramedicgirl]

Depends on whether one has a bikini body or not.

Either could be equally sinful!

 

[paramedicgirl]

What about hard core progressives in disagreement on how to do next Sunday’s liturgy or what music to play, for example? Now if that would make the hard core traditionalists “giddy” would that be another scandal they’d be guilty of?

This is not a preference issue but one of dogma. You have an obligation as a Catholic to believe any form of the Mass is a sacrifice.

No, Bob, that’s the new dogma of the progressives. Mass is a celebration, not a sacrifice. Only hard core traditionalists still see the Mass as a sacrifice. Doesn’t it just make you giddy all over?

 

[Julianna]

What about hard core progressives in disagreement on how to do next Sunday’s liturgy or what music to play, for example? Now if that would make the hard core traditionalists “giddy” would that be another scandal they’d be guilty of?

This is not a preference issue but one of dogma. You have an obligation as a Catholic to believe any form of the Mass is a sacrifice.

I am not a hard core progressive. Depends on which church one attends. The church I attended when I lived in Charleston had a variety of masses to choose from…including charismatic. It’s not my thing…but I had many good friends who attended that mass…by the same priest that did all the others. When I lived there the priest was referred to as the celebrant…the singing was of the Haugen/Haas variety. Although, I view some of their songs as “cheesy”…there are a few I really liked. But then again, I wasn’t there for the music. Most of the senior mass goers wtent to the 11 o’clock. Very little singing by the parishoners and the responses were spoken vs. sung. The church was the in-the-round style, had kneelers, no altar rail and women EM, and a large resurrection cross behind the altar. Some may say…“oh that is liberal”…to me…it was middle of the road. I liked the 6 pm Sunday night mass. It was quieter…not formal and many of my catechism (confirmation) students attended with me…as their parents…sadly …didn’t come with them.

I guess it would be something to take up with the Diocese of Charleston…for me…mass is a celebration. My “obligation” as a Catholic is known to me and God. I am a work in progress vs. a highly polished finished piece of divine art.

 

[estesbob]

My “obligation” as a Catholic is known to me and God. I am a work in progress vs. a highly polished finished piece of divine art.

That desciption would fit any person following any faith. The Church is a highly polished peice of divine art-we come to know God better by embracing the teachings of his Church.

 

[KathleenElsie]

grandstanding intro aside, you are the only one here who has pointed out sides exist.

We are all Catholics, 100% equal.

Paramedicgirl is not the only one that notices the attacks. She is honest in her statements about them.

We are all equal in the eyes of God. But then we as humans have preferences in the way we worship. Let us live in peace.

 

[KathleenElsie]

please, continue to prove every point i have made. I sit now and sip my tea, no need for me to even post on this thread at this point. simply watching how you continue to sink the traditionalists brings me to giddy fulfillment. My original post is affirmed with every sylable you write.

Charity tends to be missing in this discussion. Following along in this I have see both sides (there should only be one side IMHO that is the Catholic side) going into a steep slide down toward “meanness”.

Watching how “you continue to sink the traditionalists brings me to giddy fulfillment” makes me wonder about your motives and the lack of charity here is very disturbing.

 

[KathleenElsie]

Except maybe for latinmasslover. The N.O. mass is here to stay. Some like Latin…go for it. One is not any better than the other. The Church has spoken on this. If you think headcoverings, gilded altars, solid gold chalices and traditional music make you get in the groove of worship…have at it. The N.O. is different in style…but it “IS” still Mass. To some Mass is a sacrifice…to others it is a celebration. I prefer the celebration…latinmasslover prefers the sacrifice. He/she can go on and on ad naseum with comparisions to a satanistic mass…it is just his/her opinion and has no bearing on what Catholics prefer. As a human being…he/she does not have the corner on the “truth”…his/her truth is based on the enviroment of worship he/she most satisfies him/her as holy and reverant.

I find it interesting to see posts by those who IMHO are hard core traditionalists having disagreement with latinmasslover. Chrismyster…that makes me giddy.

The same is that one Catholic gets “giddy” over another Catholic’s disagreement.
I very much dislike the term “trad” as I am a Catholic that preferes the TLM and covers out of personal conviction. I dress modestly and do things in moderation. This seems to be what makes me a “trad” in some eyes. But, in my eyes it makes me a Catholic.

 

[KathleenElsie]

No, Bob, that’s the new dogma of the progressives. Mass is a celebration, not a sacrifice. Only hard core traditionalists still see the Mass as a sacrifice. Doesn’t it just make you giddy all over?

This hits to the core of the situation. The sacrifice is what makes me “giddy” .

 

[paramedicgirl]

The same is that one Catholic gets “giddy” over another Catholic’s disagreement.
I very much dislike the term “trad” as I am a Catholic that preferes the TLM and covers out of personal conviction. I dress modestly and do things in moderation. This seems to be what makes me a “trad” in some eyes. But, in my eyes it makes me a Catholic.

 

[Julian_Peters]

Thank you to all who have participated. This thread is now closed.