Can I be a cafeteria Liberal?

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Dogs, since they tend to run in packs and follow the leader, are more easily trained for unquestioning obedience, like conservatives. 🙂
The only one that conservatives have unquestioning obedience to is God (and for conservative Catholics, the Pope as well). That’s been a political weakness since it has meant that conservatives are more easily divided. This contrasts to how liberals seem to have absolute unity of doctrine and seem to have a rule that it’s taboo to ever harshly criticize any liberal politician. That’s how I think it’s possible that a liberal politician can be reelected even after being arrested for smoking crack or after confessing to lying. A conservative politician would be finished with much less of an offense.
 
And you don’t want to tick me off either - I’ll find out where you live and make you watch “Night of the Lepus” until you’re properly terrified by rabbits! 🍿 😛
lol googling…“Night of the Lepus”
 
lol googling…“Night of the Lepus”
Actually, if you watch it, the greatest danger is that you might die laughing. :rotfl: 😃 Fluffy bunnies become giant, carnivorous, rampaging murderous beasties.

Back to the conservative/liberal issue - I’ll hone in for a moment on social programs paid for by taxpayers that function (the programs, that is) to consolidate or coordinate charitable help to the needy in some way. In ways that in previous times in society was more the venue of the church.

I’ve been pondering this for some time, as I receive assistance myself. I think the problem that government agencies began to be created to address is that they can be wider in scope and - in theory - reach underserved areas with more efficiency. If there is only a poor church charity in some place, the poor in that place might not be able to be helped, whereas if there were public assistance they can be.

And as one of my definitely conservative friends points out, once you have a bureaucracy in place it’s harder to get rid of it or change it.

I worry about the business of “taking the king’s silver” or “he who pays the piper calls the tune.”

But on the other side of it, most rich people I’ve seen seem to not see the daily struggles of the poor. I tried three times before I finally filed for disability to go through the state vocational rehabilitation program. (Not to mention having 50 jobs in 30 years - getting back up on the horse, albeit with some gaps when my depression and anxiety were making me extremely reluctant to re-enter the fray.)

Vocational rehabilitation didn’t know what to do with me because my issues weren’t physical illnesses. I skewed test results that asked me to check any job on a list I would want to do - because I could think of a way each would trigger my phobias or post-traumatic issues, or require “multi-tasking in a fast paced environment” that my ADD would shut down my brain with. So basically I had a long list of mostly “no’s” and I felt embarrassed and defeated by that. Long story, this is only a little vignette thereof.

So here I am, with the intelligence to do a lot, but emotionally and executive brain functionally out of the race. Trying to squeak by on SSDI and a teensy amount of food stamps. I’m not saying I’ve given up. My hope is that maybe this is just a way station along my journey and that God has better in store for me.

The point as it relates to the topic of this thread is that if it weren’t for the government social programs, I’d be in a world of hurt, and yet I can certainly see the drawbacks. Yet I don’t see a lot of rich people helping the poor or even knowing what a day spent going around to various agencies trying to get help would be like, or having to juggle bills or refrain from driving some days so as not to burn up all one’s gasoline, or as a “working poor” friend of mine does, leave her car unfixed and ride the bus which doesn’t have evening or Sunday routes.

In short, I see a lot of well-fixed, financially conservatives with an unsympathetic attitude. And I see liberals of various economic levels but with the social engineering attitude of wanting to encourage birth control, abortion, and acceptance of “gay marriage” or else they’ll sic the thought police (and hefty monetary fines in some cases) on anyone who dares voice an objection to their agenda.

Stereotypes? Maybe.🤷 I’m sure there are exceptions. But I do see the stereotypes in action on both sides, and I know the harm they can do.

I feel like a lone voice crying in the wilderness: “Think outside the boxes, people!” :banghead:
 
Does anyone here who might identify as “liberal” know if liberals would love and accept me just as I am if I only accept some of their beliefs while rejecting others that I don’t feel are for me?
People will love you (or not) on an individual basis. Don’t worry to much about whether or not you fit a label. Depending on who you speak to that label may carry with it slightly different implications (Since not every one will have the same understanding and associations with the label).
 
Well, I had a weird experience today - sort of. Friend who went through RCIA a few years back flat out told me she is a liberal. I had kind of suspected this. I inquired if the RCIA class explained the Church’s teachings on obedience (for example, on abortion) and she said no. Sad. So we have cradle and convert Catholics both who pick and choose. I get more disillusioned every day. But I will be praying and trying not to be demoralized. And people like this can be really good in some areas - such as helping others. If they could only make a few more connections about the moral issues . . . 😦
 
I totally agree with you, 3Doctors. I’m conservative except where I’m liberal – against abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia, but in favor of expanding medicare for everyone and help for those who need it. I was on welfare for several years with two small children, and couldn’t have made it relying on our little church. The government has more resources, and people in tough spots need a reliable source of income.
Fortunately I was required to get off welfare once my kids reached school age, which was a good thing. I was terrified of looking for work by then, so went to school for a degree which enabled me to get a good job and support my kids.
The only thing I’m not sure about is gun control. People are such idiots, there are always going to be folks leaving guns lying around for their eight-year-olds to take to school; or people drive by shooting at innocents. For that reason, I think guns should be tightly controlled, all guns. But that doesn’t mean some people can’t have them for legitimate reasons – hunting for example.
But clearly, labeling people liberal or conservative isn’t helpful.
 
The only one that conservatives have unquestioning obedience to is God (and for conservative Catholics, the Pope as well). That’s been a political weakness since it has meant that conservatives are more easily divided. This contrasts to how liberals seem to have absolute unity of doctrine and seem to have a rule that it’s taboo to ever harshly criticize any liberal politician. That’s how I think it’s possible that a liberal politician can be reelected even after being arrested for smoking crack or after confessing to lying. A conservative politician would be finished with much less of an offense.
Two words: Rob Ford.
 
Two words: Rob Ford.
Rob Ford is most likely finished - with mayoral powers reduced by the Toronto city council. I don’t know of anyone defending this buffoon (can I say that here?) other then Rob Ford himself. I’m not that familiar with Canadian politics - I read that 76% of Toronto residents want him to resign. I can’t imagine a Republican mayor doing these things in America and surviving very long.

Ishii
 
Does anyone here who might identify as “liberal” know if liberals would love and accept me just as I am if I only accept some of their beliefs while rejecting others that I don’t feel are for me?

For example, I love trees and animals, especially dogs.

But, I hate abortion. I don’t believe or feel that the government should force anyone to pay for contraception or abortions, and I don’t believe it should be legal.

I strongly disagree with so-called same-sex “marriage”. I don’t believe or feel that marriage should be redefined to be other than one man and one woman.

I feel that guns shouldn’t be taken away from honest, mentally healthy people who obey the law. But, I feel that the guns should be taken away from the street gangs.

I don’t agree that human embryo experimentation or human cloning should be legal.

I don’t believe or feel that doctor assisted “suicide” should be legal.

I don’t believe or feel that the government should force anyone to give to government approved charities. Because, as the bible says, “Each one must do as he has made up his mind, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” - 2 Corinthians 9:7

But, I like dogs and trees.
Funny Stuff!
 
I wonder how liberals view moderates. Because I’m mostly moderate and an Independent.

note: against abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia, human cloning.
 
the title of the thread sort of answers itself. A cafeteria can allow for people to make relative choices in which food they want, yet there are a number of actions that are not allowed. There are rules that everyone must comply with irregardless of their personal taste of clam chowder over chicken noodle or vis versa.

The Cafeteria Ten Commandments

Do not have any other food or beverage with you that is not from the cafeteria.
Thall shall keep your place in line and be patient.
Thall shall honor your payment for food and drink.
Do not intimidate neighbor to pay for your food.
Thall shall wear clothing to cafeteria.
Do not covet your neighbors food or drink.
Do not steal your neighbors food or drink.
Thall shall not throw food at your neighbor.
Do not poison your neighbors beverage.
Thall shall keep children under control while inside cafeteria.

(other suggestions appreciated)

Liberals love rules, so it’s not about commandments, rather their anarchy is about God. Their understanding of Him effects their understanding of the Universe and humanity’s role in it.

Atheists in particular have such a low respect for humanity because they wonder how perfect divinity can create something so imperfect, destructive and ugly as a human person. My reply to that is, “Speak for yourself! Look in the mirror, bro!” Oh, the humornity.
 
Does anyone here who might identify as “liberal” know if liberals would love and accept me just as I am if I only accept some of their beliefs while rejecting others that I don’t feel are for me?

For example, I love trees and animals, especially dogs.

But, I hate abortion. I don’t believe or feel that the government should force anyone to pay for contraception or abortions, and I don’t believe it should be legal.

I strongly disagree with so-called same-sex “marriage”. I don’t believe or feel that marriage should be redefined to be other than one man and one woman.

I feel that guns shouldn’t be taken away from honest, mentally healthy people who obey the law. But, I feel that the guns should be taken away from the street gangs.

I don’t agree that human embryo experimentation or human cloning should be legal.

I don’t believe or feel that doctor assisted “suicide” should be legal.

I don’t believe or feel that the government should force anyone to give to government approved charities. Because, as the bible says, “Each one must do as he has made up his mind, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” - 2 Corinthians 9:7

But, I like dogs and trees.
You would certainly gain the support of both the liberal and the conservative dogs and trees. As a liberal, I and other liberals I know agree with a few of your points: for example, I am opposed to human cloning, forcing anyone to pay for contraception or abortion, taking guns away from mentally healthy people, and forcing people to give to government-approved charities. So yes, I accept and love you, whereas some other liberals may not.
 
Does anyone here who might identify as “liberal” know if liberals would love and accept me just as I am if I only accept some of their beliefs while rejecting others that I don’t feel are for me?

For example, I love trees and animals, especially dogs.

But, I hate abortion. I don’t believe or feel that the government should force anyone to pay for contraception or abortions, and I don’t believe it should be legal.

I strongly disagree with so-called same-sex “marriage”. I don’t believe or feel that marriage should be redefined to be other than one man and one woman.

I feel that guns shouldn’t be taken away from honest, mentally healthy people who obey the law. But, I feel that the guns should be taken away from the street gangs.

I don’t agree that human embryo experimentation or human cloning should be legal.

I don’t believe or feel that doctor assisted “suicide” should be legal.

I don’t believe or feel that the government should force anyone to give to government approved charities. Because, as the bible says, “Each one must do as he has made up his mind, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” - 2 Corinthians 9:7

But, I like dogs and trees.
I think the deal breaker in today’s liberal cafeteria centres around the issue of homosexuality. You can’t sit with the kids at the cool table if you say the wrong things on that.
On abortion, your presence will be tolerated as long as you don’t interfere in any way, such as not voting for a pro-abortion party.
I can’t imagine you not getting ostracized from all conversations too, if you do not support every manner of big government spending, except for the military of course. It is okay to oppose Obamacare for example for not being socialists enough, but it is not okay to oppose Obamacare for being unsustainable growth of entitlement spending. All the seats at all the tables in the cafeteria will be pointedly reserved for somebody else if you don’t get that basic point.
 
I think the deal breaker in today’s liberal cafeteria centres around the issue of homosexuality. You can’t sit with the kids at the cool table if you say the wrong things on that.
On abortion, your presence will be tolerated as long as you don’t interfere in any way, such as not voting for a pro-abortion party.
I can’t imagine you not getting ostracized from all conversations too, if you do not support every manner of big government spending, except for the military of course. It is okay to oppose Obamacare for example for not being socialists enough, but it is not okay to oppose Obamacare for being unsustainable growth of entitlement spending. All the seats at all the tables in the cafeteria will be pointedly reserved for somebody else if you don’t get that basic point.
The left seems to have their own set of dogmas except that these dogmas aren’t of heavenly origin.
 
Darryl1958;11567227]I think the deal breaker in today’s liberal cafeteria centres around the issue of homosexuality. You can’t sit with the kids at the cool table if you say the wrong things on that.
I just wish that people would come out and it admit it’s all about being popular and cool. Why all the excuses and angry defenses when the personal selfishness is as plain as the sky on a clear day?

I mean, do some folks really think we are all so obtuse as to not see the real motives?

That’s why I’m warning GLBTQ folks that a lot of this “gay rights” nonsense is smoke and mirrors.
It is okay to oppose Obamacare for example for not being socialists enough, but it is not okay to oppose Obamacare for being unsustainable growth of entitlement spending. All the seats at all the tables in the cafeteria will be pointedly reserved for somebody else if you don’t get that basic point.
The big issue with the AHA is that people who benefit from it defend it, and those who pay for it or lose their insurance over it hate it. Just as Bill O’Reilly predicted, and just like any good old fashioned government subsidy that picks winners and losers by interfering in the free market.

It’s called cronyism.

It’s just funny how some Americans think if they have a good experience in XYZ government-run care, it should be the standard forced upon all because they (or if they know someone) had a good experience, everyone else MUST HAVE TOO. :rolleyes:

I just wonder why they don’t think that about ALL products.
 
The left seems to have their own set of dogmas except that these dogmas aren’t of heavenly origin.
What’s really funny and interesting (that’s a word to use when you don’t know what else to say) is they think they can have it all----they can serve both God and mammon.

That means they can delve into what is cool, vote for who is cool, even hang out with the cool kids (as someone already said on here) and still get into to heaven like SNAP! 👍

See, they’ve got it all figured out. :rolleyes:
 
What’s really funny and interesting (that’s a word to use when you don’t know what else to say) is they think they can have it all----they can serve both God and mammon.

That means they can delve into what is cool, vote for who is cool, even hang out with the cool kids (as someone already said on here) and still get into to heaven like SNAP! 👍

See, they’ve got it all figured out. :rolleyes:
Some of those who believe in abortion and so-called same-sex ‘marriage’ say that they don’t want to go to Heaven because Heaven won’t have those things.
 
Some of those who believe in abortion and so-called same-sex ‘marriage’ say that they don’t want to go to Heaven because Heaven won’t have those things.
Oh, that’s true! I think saw some of those on TV or on-line or something…

“If heaven is where the [American] Christian right is going…I don’t want to go there!”

It’s my understanding there isn’t any kind of marriage in heaven anyways.

A good question for an apologist perhaps. 👍
 
Oh, that’s true! I think saw some of those on TV or on-line or something…

“If heaven is where the [American] Christian right is going…I don’t want to go there!”

It’s my understanding there isn’t any kind of marriage in heaven anyways.

A good question for an apologist perhaps. 👍
There isn’t any kind of marriages happening between mortal humans. But, there will be the ultimate marriage in Heaven between Jesus and His Bride, the Church. This will be the only kind of marriage that takes place in Heaven.
 
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