Can I be a member of 2 different parishes?

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Hi, I find the question raises sadness and regret in me
The registering as part of a parish seems perhaps more strict and exclusive in your country.
This isn’t universal, but perhaps cultural. This may not be so throughout your country, but my son had a bad experience in the U.S. In my land we generally are on the database though simply invited, not expected to be, and we are trusted even if we aren’t on the database and there is freedom to change a parish or go to more than one. The priests generally understand if we go to other parishes or if we change parishes. They understand that if we do so we have a reason that is valid to ourselves.

I know that my son tried to become part of a parish in Arizona while living in the U.S, and the rigidity of the ‘registering’ with the immediate question of “How much will you contribute” shocked and scandalized him and his wife, and my son didn’t return to the Church as intended because it seemed to be about the money and rules than about the faith. People are fragile at a time when faith is returning. I do know that had they been in Australia and my son and his non-Catholic wife, wishing to join the nearby parish and raising their son in the Sacraments would have been a very different experience, and my grandson may have been raised Catholic. It was a big thing for him and his Baptist wife to decide they would go to the Catholic faith and have their son raised Catholic. As the way things were handled like a business isn’t the way things are done here and contributions are trusted to personal decision and respect if you haven’t made a promise in the rare request every few years, the window at which my son would have returned to the Church and brought his son up Catholic was lost.

My son would have been glad to contribute, that was understood, but he felt he was being confronted by a business not a faith community, and he needed a faith community where welcome and caring was the primary atmosphere and attitude indicative of the love and faith life, but it was absent. This was what confronted him on his first visit to the parish! He was intending courtesy by coming to the parish office, instead he immediately was expected to sign up. To ask “How much” at the very first meeting with a prospective parishioner! Even in business this might be somewhat premature. By the time my son and his family returned to Australia a few years later the window was lost. As an Australian I’d say, change if you feel another parish may have more to offer spiritually, but don’t lose sleep over it. However I guess you may have to make an issue of it because of how things are done where you live. I’m just pointing out that it isn’t universal to be so strict. As a matter of courtesy I’d mention to the priest if I were to leave my parish for another.

We belong to the whole Church community. The word “Catholic” actually means “Universal.” We need to be part of a local community and to contribute to the support of the priests and the parish, but we are “Catholics”, belonging to a universal Church.
 
Saturday 5:00pm Divine Liturgy at the Maronite Church
Sunday 7:30am Mass at “my parish” the one that we started to attend since we moved here
Sunday 11:40 Mass at the new parish that geographically includes my house

Which one is my parish? The geographical one that we were not aware of when we move here? The one that we attended from the very beginning and where my son received his sacraments? When I applied for the Diaconate the Diocese recognized the initial parish that I attend as my parish. Which one should get financial support? Is it fair to somehow split between the three?
 
Well, I bow to your greater knowledge of canon law, but there has so far been no discernable difference between being a registered non-parishioner and being a registered parishioner. And it’s a good thing, too, because otherwise people like myself who find themselves in a parish that hinders their spiritual growth (due certainly to faults of their own at least as much as faults of the parish), but who can’t afford to move, would just be stuck belonging nowhere, and would become less and less connected to the Church.

You seem to be implying, by putting “register” in quotes and by the way you wrote the voting analogy in your later post, one of two things: either that my current pastor did something wrong in allowing me to register in my new parish, or that somehow I bamboozled him.

For the first, well he is a priest too, and a very good one, and with very much respect for your priesthood as well, I’ll take his judgement of the matter over yours.

For the second, I attempted no deception, and there was no possibility of accidental confusion. I wouldn’t have had to ask permission to register if I had been within the boundaries of the parish, and I made it very clear that I wasn’t within those boundaries.

As for the letter from the diocese, it is a little more than that, as each person has an ID number on the letter, and my ID number did not change when I changed parishes. So someone had to go in to their computer and change the parish without changing my address.

–Jen
Jen, the reason why I put registered in quotes is because parish registration doesn’t mean anything beyond the purely administrative running of the parish–things like mailing lists and contribution records. Registration does not make someone a parishioner. That’s the central point.

A lot of Catholics confuse the concept of registering with that of being a parishioner–the two are not at all the same thing. I have people at my own parish who are “registered” but they’re not parishioners. They live in other states, and they like to receive the mailings. Some of them make occasional contributions, and registering them makes it easier on the record keeping. But when it comes down to it, they still aren’t parishioners.

Likewise, in your case. You can register at the other parish if you choose, and if the pastor allows this (which apparently he does—and I don’t dispute that). But just because you are registered, that still does not make you a parishioner. I was not implying that you or anyone else is doing anything improper. I used the examples of residence of a state because that’s something we can all understand quite easily.

I put registration in quotes because registration is irrelevant when it comes to parish membership. It’s that simple. Registration doesn’t make someone a parishioner. Residence makes someone a parishioner. You can read it for yourself in canon law–that’s why I posted it, so that anyone can see it.

I’m afraid you’re reading too much into the letter from the diocese. A mailing label doesn’t make someone a parishioner. Can someone go into a computer and change the field labeled “parish” without changing the field labeled “ID”? Of course. But to say that somehow this trumps canon law just doesn’t make any sense.
 
Jack, regardless what your official parish of membership is, there’s nothing that stops you from going to another parish for Mass. in fact, you can even go to another parish of another Catholic Rite if you want.
Yeah, um, I’m not exactly sure which Rite I’m a member of. Does it differ by parish, by personal choice, or what?
 
Hi, I find the question raises sadness and regret in me
The registering as part of a parish seems perhaps more strict and exclusive in your country.
This isn’t universal, but perhaps cultural. This may not be so throughout your country, but my son had a bad experience in the U.S. In my land we generally are on the database though simply invited, not expected to be, and we are trusted even if we aren’t on the database and there is freedom to change a parish or go to more than one. The priests generally understand if we go to other parishes or if we change parishes. They understand that if we do so we have a reason that is valid to ourselves.

I know that my son tried to become part of a parish in Arizona while living in the U.S, and the rigidity of the ‘registering’ with the immediate question of “How much will you contribute” shocked and scandalized him and his wife, and my son didn’t return to the Church as intended because it seemed to be about the money and rules than about the faith. People are fragile at a time when faith is returning. I do know that had they been in Australia and my son and his non-Catholic wife, wishing to join the nearby parish and raising their son in the Sacraments would have been a very different experience, and my grandson may have been raised Catholic. It was a big thing for him and his Baptist wife to decide they would go to the Catholic faith and have their son raised Catholic. As the way things were handled like a business isn’t the way things are done here and contributions are trusted to personal decision and respect if you haven’t made a promise in the rare request every few years, the window at which my son would have returned to the Church and brought his son up Catholic was lost.

My son would have been glad to contribute, that was understood, but he felt he was being confronted by a business not a faith community, and he needed a faith community where welcome and caring was the primary atmosphere and attitude indicative of the love and faith life, but it was absent. This was what confronted him on his first visit to the parish! He was intending courtesy by coming to the parish office, instead he immediately was expected to sign up. To ask “How much” at the very first meeting with a prospective parishioner! Even in business this might be somewhat premature. By the time my son and his family returned to Australia a few years later the window was lost. As an Australian I’d say, change if you feel another parish may have more to offer spiritually, but don’t lose sleep over it. However I guess you may have to make an issue of it because of how things are done where you live. I’m just pointing out that it isn’t universal to be so strict. As a matter of courtesy I’d mention to the priest if I were to leave my parish for another.

We belong to the whole Church community. The word “Catholic” actually means “Universal.” We need to be part of a local community and to contribute to the support of the priests and the parish, but we are “Catholics”, belonging to a universal Church.
I don’t feel like I need to change parishes. There’s nothing really wrong with mine. As for your son’s case, that might just be an isolated incident involving that parish alone (possibly even that parishioner alone).
 
Saturday 5:00pm Divine Liturgy at the Maronite Church
Sunday 7:30am Mass at “my parish” the one that we started to attend since we moved here
Sunday 11:40 Mass at the new parish that geographically includes my house

Which one is my parish? The geographical one that we were not aware of when we move here? The one that we attended from the very beginning and where my son received his sacraments? When I applied for the Diaconate the Diocese recognized the initial parish that I attend as my parish. Which one should get financial support? Is it fair to somehow split between the three?
Your parish is the one where you live. Nothing else matters in determining parish membership, unless it has to do with an ethnic or other personal parish.

You can to to Mass anywhere, contribute anywhere; you can split these anyway you choose. But you are only a parishioner of the parish in whose territory you live.
 
Yeah, um, I’m not exactly sure which Rite I’m a member of. Does it differ by parish, by personal choice, or what?
Again here that’s determined by canon law. Is there some reason why you aren’t sure?

I’m a bit puzzled by your question because that’s the first time you’ve mentioned anything like that in this thread.
 
Yeah, um, I’m not exactly sure which Rite I’m a member of. Does it differ by parish, by personal choice, or what?
If you don’t know, and are going to what you think everyone would consider to be normal, regular Catholic parishes, then you’re a member of the Latin rite. You can go to Mass at a church in any rite in communion with the Catholic Church (e.g., Melkite, Byzantine Catholic), but to formally change rites is, as I understand it, governed by Canon 112:
Can. 112 §1. After the reception of baptism, the following are enrolled in another ritual Church sui iuris:

1/ a person who has obtained permission from the Apostolic See;

2/ a spouse who, at the time of or during marriage, has declared that he or she is transferring to the ritual Church sui iuris of the other spouse; when the marriage has ended, however, the person can freely return to the Latin Church;

3/ before the completion of the fourteenth year of age, the children of those mentioned in nn. 1 and 2 as well as, in a mixed marriage, the children of the Catholic party who has legitimately transferred to another ritual Church; on completion of their fourteenth year, however, they can return to the Latin Church.

§2. The practice, however prolonged, of receiving the sacraments according to the rite of another ritual Church sui iuris does not entail enrollment in that Church.
 
So, what if you live in two separate cities and have two separate addresses. (ie: post-secondary students who live away from home most of the year, but come home for the summer?)
Heck, I’m probably the extreme example of this. Over the past year, I have regularly attended 4 different parishes in 4 different cities/towns (in 3 difference diocese), each one being no closer than 250 km to another one. 1 is where I go to school, 1 is home, and the other 2 are work placements (1 last year and 1 this year). I believe I’m “registered” at my school parish (because I make monthly contributions, because I spend a lot of time there, and not to be petty but it’s my favourite :)), which is not only in a different diocese, but also a different province.
Yeah, um, I’m not exactly sure which Rite I’m a member of. Does it differ by parish, by personal choice, or what?
If you are at a parish that calls it a Mass or Celebration of the Eucharist (and the fact that you point to more than 1 parish in the area) probably means you’re Roman Catholic (also called the Latin Rite). There are also 22 Eastern Catholic Churches (sort of like the Catholic version of some Eastern Orthodox Churches), who call their Mass’s “Divine Liturgies”, which can be quite different than a Roman Mass (but they are still part of the Catholic Church).
 
Fr. David

If I live in parish X’s territory, but never registered in that parish, and continued to attend parish Y’s Mass and was registered there, would i be considered a parishioner of X or Y
 
The policy is the same everywhere in the world. It’s canon law.

You can attend anywhere, volunteer anywhere, participate anywhere, contribute anywhere. You’re free to do all this, and I’m not trying to discourage anyone from that. But you’re only a parishioner of the place where you live.
So does that mean then you’re free to have your wedding, kids’ baptisms, etc at any other parish as well?
 
Fr. David

If I live in parish X’s territory, but never registered in that parish, and continued to attend parish Y’s Mass and was registered there, would i be considered a parishioner of X or Y
This is what I keep trying to explain.

You are a parishioner of X because you live in that parish territory. Nothing else matters.

The fact that you have “registered” in parish Y means nothing with regard to parish membership.

Once again, a Catholic is a parishioner of the parish in whose territory he actually resides. Nothing else matters.
 
So does that mean then you’re free to have your wedding, kids’ baptisms, etc at any other parish as well?
No. Weddings and baptisms require parish jurisdiction. I won’t get into all the subtle details here because that discussion belongs in a different forum.

You might have a wedding or baptism in a parish other than your parish of residence, but that requires some level of permission from your proper pastor. Please understand that this is a quick answer, so I would appreciate it if posters do not respond with things like “well, you can get married in another parish if the other party has a residence there…”

Suffice to say that if we’re talking about a wedding or a baptism, proper parish jurisdiction matters.
 
So does that mean then you’re free to have your wedding, kids’ baptisms, etc at any other parish as well?
yes, but you’ll probably need to get permissions

thats what i did, but this was in the Philippines. i got permissions from my parish, my wife’s parish, and also from the parish, which is in another diocese, where we got married
 
Yeah, um, I’m not exactly sure which Rite I’m a member of. Does it differ by parish, by personal choice, or what?
whichever Rite you are baptized in. if you go to a Roman Catholic Church, then you are a Latin Rite Catholic. if you go to a Ukranian Catholic Church, then you are a Byzantine Rite.

i’m just saying, if you either want to explore other Rites, or have taken a liking to another Rite and want to move, you can. officially moving to another Rite involves a process, and you may decide its too much of a hassle to do so, so you can be officially Latin Rite but a regular attendee of a Byzantine Divine Liturgy
 
Saturday 5:00pm Divine Liturgy at the Maronite Church
Sunday 7:30am Mass at “my parish” the one that we started to attend since we moved here
Sunday 11:40 Mass at the new parish that geographically includes my house

Which one is my parish? The geographical one that we were not aware of when we move here? The one that we attended from the very beginning and where my son received his sacraments? When I applied for the Diaconate the Diocese recognized the initial parish that I attend as my parish. Which one should get financial support? Is it fair to somehow split between the three?
you belong to the parish of your Rite. so if you are Roman Catholic, you definitely wouldn’t belong to the Maronite Church even if your house is right beside the parish.
 
Fr. David

If I live in parish X’s territory, but never registered in that parish, and continued to attend parish Y’s Mass and was registered there, would i be considered a parishioner of X or Y
i know this is not directed to myself, but let me pitch in

you will be officially a parishoner of parish X

i had the same situation in the past. we belong to a parish that has been there for years. later on the chapel in the community beside ours was converted into a parish. but after the new divison of parish territories were laid out, we still belonged to the original parish even though the new one was geographically closer. i was thinking the creek in between was made a boundary of the territories. so anyway, we attended the new parish regularly but when i was going to get married i had to get permission from our parish
 
In a community with a number of parishes the easiest way to find out which is your own parish canonically is to check with your Chancery/Diocese to find out the boundaries you domicile within, as well as the boundaries of the “personal parishes”. Neighbors on the same street could actually be in different parishes because of the way the boundary was drawn. I would hope that the parish secretary would also have a map of the town with the parish boundaries.
 
baptism records are also kept in the parish where the baptism is held, not in your own parish. my son was baptized in the hospital so his record is in the parish who’s jurisdiction covers that hospital. which is a bit far from where we live
 
If you don’t know, and are going to what you think everyone would consider to be normal, regular Catholic parishes, then you’re a member of the Latin rite.
That’s probably true. However, one is canonically a member of the father’s Catholic Church if he is Catholic, or the mother’s Catholic Church if the father is not Catholic. There are so many locations where Eastern and Oriental Catholics have no parish of their Church sui iuris available-- there simply are no Catholic Churches anywhere near where they live except those of the Latin Church. It’s not so unusual for a person to discover as an adult that they are actually, for example, a Ukrainian Catholic when all along they thought they were Latin because their entire life they have worshiped in the Latin Church, They may even have been baptized in a Latin Church which has no effect on their canonical status still being that of the EC/OC to which the parent is in fact a member. (If baptized/chrismated in a Latin Church their true canonical status is to be recorded in the Baptismal record… various issues come up around all this due to a general lack of familiarity in Latin Churches of even the existence of the ECCs and OCCs.) Their canonical status is significant in terms of the sacraments of Marriage and of Holy Orders.

Of course all of us in my parish think our Byzantine parish is a normal, regular Catholic parish. 😉
 
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