Can I get some help with these questions

[jmcrae]

Is Mary essential for salvation?

Without her affirmation of the Annunciation, which allowed Jesus to come into her womb to be born as a man, the entire history of salvation would not have happened. Would God have forced her to say "yes’? Not any more than He forced Eve to say “no” to the Devil. Mary could very easily have said “no” to God’s plan of salvation, and God would have accepted her answer as the answer of the whole human race declining His offer of salvation - Jesus would not have come into the world, He would not have been born, He would not have established the Church, He would not have died for our sins, and He would not have risen from the dead. So, yes, Mary is essential for salvation - her “yes” was the beginning of our salvation.

Do we get to Jesus by Mary?

Yes - it is Mary who shows us how to be perfectly obedient to Him.

Do you believe that we would not have salvation if Mary had said no?

If Mary, speaking on behalf of the whole human race, had said “no” then God would not have forced Himself upon us unwanted.

Do you believe that Mary gave birth to the eternal God or to the body of a man that God prepared for himself (the Messiah)?

What entered into Mary’s womb at the Annunciation, and what came forth from it at the Nativity, was the Living God in human flesh, body, soul, and divinity together in one whole Person - a Person with two natures - human and divine - not a dead body that later became possessed by the spirit of God.

 

[dnelson001]

Yeah you are right, Our Authority does not come from the bible. Now where will you ever find that it should come from the bible. The authority comes from teh Church because that is where God placed the Authority. So when the apostles celebraited the Lord’s day on Sunday, because Christ Resurrected and beat death, They had the authority to change it. !

I dont know were you find that the Lords day is Sunday. the words first day is only found 7 times in the bible if i am not mistaken. please tell me witch one of then say that the first day is Sunday. look it up and get back to me.

Why are you so bent on this whole sabbath thing. You know that is what eh Pharisees did too. and Jesus attacked them for it. He said “men were not made for the sabbath but the sabbath made for men.” consistently Jesus ‘worked’ on the sabbath. Not only do you have a whacked veiw of the church, your view of the Sabbath is pretty whacked as well

the sabbath truth is the last massage that will seperate gods people from every one else.
revelation say come out of her my people. it dos not say merge with me. all other denomination will and is merging with the church today. she is not requiring them to come out of were they are to join her, no then can stay were they are as long as they give her the headship. look though the eccumenicle documents you will see what i mean. there is no seperation only mergin.
the bible says that jesus is comming back for all that keep his commandmenst and have the faith of Jesus. think about what commandmens he is talking about. i dont know if you know this but you unly has 8 and a peace of the original 10 comandmenst. look up exodus 20 in your bible and then in the KJV. one of the commandments is totaly deleted. i wonder why?

May God bless and keep you is my prayer

 

[SimonArizona]

which commandment is totally deleted?

 

[estesbob]

which commandment is totally deleted?

The 4th Commandment-Keep holy the sabbath. Now i know you are going to scartch your head in wonder but you have to realize that Ellen White realized that all Chrisians has been celebrating the Sabbath on the wrong day for nearly 1850 years!!! It was preety sneaky of the Holy Sprit to lead people astray for 1800 plus years but Ellen White figured it out and passed it on to her adherents-the 7th Day adventists .

People how start new denominations often do so based on “unique” insight. The jehova witnesses believe Jesus was not crucified but instead tied to a torture stake. luther invented sola scriptura. The one thnig they can never quite do is explain why everyone got things so very very wrong for so very very many years.

 

[SimonArizona]

"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead."
– Letter of Barnabas 15:6-8 (A.D. 74); just one of many early writings indicating the infant church in Apostolic times set apart Sunday for the public and solemn worship of God.

 

[estesbob]

"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead."
– Letter of Barnabas 15:6-8 (A.D. 74); just one of many early writings indicating the infant church in Apostolic times set apart Sunday for the public and solemn worship of God.

Had an excerpt from that letter in todays office of readings.

 

[dnelson001]

Please to meet you twb1621

Unfortunately you are trying to perform astrophysics with knowledge only in algebra. It would be wise that before you go attempting to interpret Revelations you learn the truth regarding the Bible and the True Church as well.

i can see you need your priest or some one to explain what you read to you. that was just too simple for you to understand was’nt it. i guess you are surprice that you actually understood it. i bet you did not think that was possible. oh my… what will you do now? well you are responsable for it now.

Source; Latin Vulgate
Is private interpretation of the Bible condoned in the Bible Itself? No, it is not (2 Peter 1:16-20).
16 For we (the apostles and teachers of Jesus’ Church) have not by following artificial fables, made known to you the power, and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ; but we were eyewitnesses of his greatness. 17 For he received from God the Father, honour and glory: this voice coming down to him from the excellent glory: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 18 And this voice we heard brought from heaven, when we were with him in the holy mount. 19 And we (the apostles) have the more firm prophetical word (the truth): whereunto you do well to attend (to abide by), as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.

20* “No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation”… This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one’s private judgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise. *
**Can there be more than one interpretation of the Bible? No. The word “truth” is used several times in the New Testament. However, the plural version of the word “truth” never appears in Scripture. And scripture does not conflict with itself. **

Dude! What are you doing? Of all the scriptures in the bible you went and pull this one.
Now this is beyond confusion. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot…
First you quote the bible and actually say that: “no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation” and then you say: Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise.
Tell me something? Did you right this yourself or did you copy past this from someone else?
You can at least read the text and try to understand it. You should try to explain it without condemning yourself with your explanation.
No worries my friend, permit me to help you…
2 Peter 1:16-20; I will put the number of the verse and then explain it ok.
16. Cunningly device fables: Easter egg, Halloween, Christmas, were do you find in the bible that any of the apostle celebrated, walking on your knees, were did that come from? I guess that is the power of Christ.
17. Jesus receives the acknowledgement from the father that He is his son and we should obey him.
18. The 3 disciples heard God and saw Jesus transfigured on the mount of olive.
19. the disciple have a more shore/firm word of prophecy that we will do well to attend/heed. Because it is a light that shines in a dark place so we can see were we are going and what is coming in the future as well as what has already pass. Until when we start to see the down/light and the knowledge of these things floods our heart as the day break forth in all its glory. This is talking about knowledge of the prophecies. Tell me what bible prophecy can you explain to me?
20. now here is the good part: Understanding this first: the first thing you have to understand, comprehend, know, be certain of. Is that no, nothing, nada, 0 prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. Let me try to put this as crystal clear as possible. Private interpretation means only few can interpret it. Public interpretation means that every one can interpret it. That is the difference between private and public.
This text is saying the prophecies are for public interpretation. This means that every one can interprete it and understand it. And not only interpret it but interpret it correctly. Why? Because God is who gives the knowledge and correct interpretation.
Now answer me this. Have you ever interpret any prophecy with out someone telling you what it is? Be honest now. Or can you interpret any prophecy for that matter? Can you show me were we are in prophetic history? Tell you what; go ask your priest were we are in prophetic history lets see if he knows?
“Unfortunately you are trying to perform astrophysics with knowledge only in algebra.” Study to show your self approved my friend. Please my friend, study these things for your self and let God show you what they mean. God will never let anyone that search for him with all their heart be misled or confused by what people say.
I recommend that you read his work with prayer and patience with a trusting heart in his clearly reviled word.
Hope to see you again.
May God bless and keep you and shine his light upon you that you may see is my prayer for you.

 

[estesbob]

This text is saying the prophecies are for public interpretation. This means that every one can interprete it and understand it. And not only interpret it but interpret it correctly. Why? Because God is who gives the knowledge and correct interpretation…

Then why are there so many different, often contradictory interpeations? And why did it take 1500 to 1850 years for man(or woman) to realize all before them had gotten it wrong?

 

[Philthy]

“The Day of the Sun is the day on which we all gather in a common meeting…and it is the day on which Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.”

St. Justin the Martyr; ca AD 150 First Apology; from Jurgen’s The Faith of the Early Fathers; vol 1

“On the Lord’s Day of the Lord gather together, break bread and give thanks after confessing your transgressions so that your sacrifice may be pure.”

Didache *or *Teaching of the Twelve Apostles; ca AD 140 from Jurgen’s The Faith of the Early Fathers; vol 1

 

[Philthy]

I dont know were you find that the Lords day is Sunday.

“The Day of the Sun is the day on which we all gather in a common meeting…and it is the day on which Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.”

St. Justin the Martyr; ca AD 150 First Apology; from Jurgen’s The Faith of the Early Fathers; vol 1

I presume extra-biblical evidence is sufficient for “defining” what day Sunday is.

 

[dnelson001]

well estesbob we meet again, always a pleasure

The 4th Commandment-Keep holy the sabbath.

well you can’t say you dont know.

Now i know you are going to scartch your head in wonder but you have to realize that Ellen White realized that all Chrisians has been celebrating the Sabbath on the wrong day for nearly 1850 years!!!

I don’t know where you are getting your information from but i think you need to look it up yourself. This is the problem today. Everyone is content to sit down and be fed with a golden spoon. it seems everything is say say. This one says this, that one says that, i heard this and i heard that.
I perceive that you know something. I also perceive that you are testing the knowledge I have of my faith. Well I can play along.
If I’m not mistaken I told you this before. Ellen White was not looking to keep the Sabbath. And when she was presented with this truth she rejected it just like everyone else. It was not until deep study that they were convince of its importance. We are to go on from knowledge to knowledge, ever learning and putting in practice what we have learn. And Ellen white did not form the Adventist church, she was a guide and one of the founders. Look it up and get back to me.
There is only 2 churches that came about by Bible Prophecy. Guess which 2 they are… the Roman Catholic Church and the Seventh day Adventist Church.
One is associated with the 1260 years and the other at the end of the 2300 years. But something tells me I don’t have to explain this to you.

It was preety sneaky of the Holy Sprit to lead people astray for 1800 plus years but Ellen White figured it out and passed it on to her adherents-the 7th Day adventists .

This is where you err again in the scriptures. The Holy Spirit did not sneak around anything. The Holy Spirit predicted it would happen hundreds of years in advance. The bible told us it would happen and how long it would last with pin point accuracy. It told us how, when, were and by whom it would come to pass. It also told us what was going to happen to Gods people during those 1260 years. Read rev 12:6, 14; 13:5; Daniel 7:25. Every one of these text refers to the 1260 years. The Holy spirit made shore we knew what he was talking about. The holy spirit is who exposed it. But the problem was that God had a set time for that to be reintroduced and that was the 2300 year prophecy. 1844 was the year that changed the world.
unlike some, i dont have to use our writings to prove anything I say. i know that my x-Adventist friends are just dying for me to say Ellen White say: they must be red i the face with impatiance. but that is ok they are playing there part in the last conflict.
all of my information comes from none-Adventist saurces. where do you get yours?

People how start new denominations often do so based on “unique” insight. The jehova witnesses believe Jesus was not crucified but instead tied to a torture stake. luther invented sola scriptura. The one thnig they can never quite do is explain why everyone got things so very very wrong for so very very many years.

you know that Joseph Smith, Jr was a free mason right? do you know were free mason came from?
of couse to start a new church you need unique insight. what did you think i would say?
that insigh came because God said at the end of the 2300 years it would come.
well i dont know who you been asking about why every one got things so wrong for so many years? well today is your locky day because i have the answer for you.
are you ready for it? well pope John Paul II told you already. when he was apolizing for all the the children os the church did to the Jews. what could they have posible done to the jews? they persecuted and killed them and every one that did what the Jews did. and what did the Jews do? they kept the Sabbath. all Christian kept the Sabbath. yes even the CC. but their hatred for the jews had no bound and anything that would osociate with the jews found its place at the stake or the fagot. it was not hard to find them out because on Sabbath they yould try to get to gether. The Sabath is a mark and in the 10 commandment it is the seal of the allmighty God who maid the heaven and the earth.
so the answer to you question is: every one kept Sunday because enyone who did not was killed that is why. pure and simple.
i dont mean to ofend anyone with my answers. this is what SDA believe and can valiate by history.
I am simple answering the question that the gentleman asked me.

well God bles and God night.

 

[dnelson001]

which commandment is totally deleted?

Exodus 20:4-6
thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in the heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters under the earth
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation to them that hate me;
And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

May God bless and keep you

 

[SimonArizona]

Exodus 20:4-6
thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in the heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters under the earth
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation to them that hate me;
And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

May God bless and keep you

That commandment is in my Catholic Bible.

Did you know that God commanded the creation of statues for his temple, especially statues of angels and such? Did you want the verses?

 

[Des]

I don’t know where you are getting your information from but i think you need to look it up yourself.

I’d like to say the same thing back to you. Can you supply us with a quote from the Pope saying he’s sorry for Catholics killing Jews? I know he apologized for members of the Church failing them by their silence when the Holocaust took place. I know Catholics also saved many Jews during the Holocaust. The way you twist not only God’s word but other’s words around is remarkable.

It was not until deep study that they were convince of its importance. We are to go on from knowledge to knowledge, ever learning and putting in practise what we have learn.

She is human, and the last time I checked, very fallible. She has no authority over myself or even you. She has erred in her prophesy making her a false prophet yet so many are brainwashed into still believing this heresy preached. She was in grave error leading many then and millions now astray from the Holy Catholic Church. The Bible mentions ones like her.

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

And Ellen white did not form the Adventist church, she was a guide and one of the founders. Look it up and get back to me.

Your church and it’s teaching are a new invention and has only been in existence for about 7% of the time since Christianity first existed.

There is only 2 churches that came about by Bible Prophecy. Guess which 2 they are… the Roman Catholic Church and the Seventh day Adventist Church.
One is associated with the 1260 years and the other at the end of the 2300 years. But something tells me I don’t have to explain this to you.

dnelson001, you never came here for answers to your questions but to propagate lies and deceit. Nothing you said that I have read has any truth or logic to it. You preach to us like you have some infallible direct link to the Holy Spirit that Over a Billion other Christians don’t. You have been duped by a false prophet, and brainwashed like millions of your other brethren from this cult you call a church. Stop wasting your life away trying to bring down Christ’s Bride my friend because it will never happen. We have His promise that She remain with us till the end.

 

[dnelson001]

“The Day of the Sun is the day on which we all gather in a common meeting…and it is the day on which Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.”

St. Justin the Martyr; ca AD 150 First Apology; from Jurgen’s The Faith of the Early Fathers; vol 1

I presume extra-biblical evidence is sufficient for “defining” what day Sunday is.

Hi Philthy.

you presume wrong my friend. i would not accept any extrabiblical reference that would try to undermine what the clear word of God has revealed to us.

may God bless and keep you

 

[SimonArizona]

Hi Philthy.

you presume wrong my friend. i would not accept any extrabiblical reference that would try to undermine what the clear word of God has revealed to us.

may God bless and keep you

The problem is everyone says “what the clear word of God says.” but the correct question is this: whose interpretation of the word of God? Everyone uses the bible against each other, but how do we know who is right? did God lead us into this confusion or has He a solid rock plan to know for sure what the bible teaches? I suggest the second.

What is the Pillar and Foundation of the Truth for a Christian? Can you answer?

 

[dnelson001]

That commandment is in my Catholic Bible.

Did you know that God commanded the creation of statues for his temple, especially statues of angels and such? Did you want the verses?

Hi SimonArizona, please to meet you

can you please give me the version and year of your Catholic Bible? thank you.

God bless

 

[SimonArizona]

Hi SimonArizona, please to meet you

can you please give me the version and year of your Catholic Bible? thank you.

God bless

I’d be happy to only if you can give me the correct anwser to my question.

What does the bible say is the pillar and foundation of the truth?

 

[dnelson001]

Then why are there so many different, often contradictory interpeations? And why did it take 1500 to 1850 years for man(or woman) to realize all before them had gotten it wrong?

there are many interpretations because of sunday, you see the prophecies does not fit with sunday. all of the last prophecies has to do with worship and commandments. Sunday is extra-biblical. it just will not fit in any of them.
they have to try to explain it someway so they force it in there some how. it is not perfect but it can pass if you dont look closely. pick any one of there interpretation of prophecy and put it next to ours and let the fact decide.

God bless and keep you

 

[dnelson001]

I’d be happy to only if you can give me the correct anwser to my question.

What does the bible say is the pillar and foundation of the truth?

I perceive your wickedness and deceitfulness, you would do anything to hold on to a little peace of text wont you.
but ok, I will play along, we will see if God will give you what you are looking for. we shall see if you will be able to use it when my God teach me how to give it to you.

you will have your answer tomorrow God willing.

Have a good night and may God touch you heart