Can I get some help with these questions

[placido]

my friend Hitler was a catholic, and he was very good friend with biships and priest. the helped him caried out what he wanted to do.

Is that really worth it, when this poster does not even have a clue about this part of recent history? Putting the clergy behind bars, is apparently a sign that Hitler was a good friend of “bishops and priests” …

no my friend. she is not a pope and yes she is falible. i dont know whay you are trying to pin your beliefe on me for. i dont belive that no human is falible. not even spitits, only God.
but since you want to talk about false profits lets do that.
who is you prophet? do you even know? you just might, who knows? well let me tell you who your prophet is. ir is the virgin Mary.

Is this Dneslson one or several posters using the same username? If you compare Dnelson’s first 2 to 5 posts with his last, you conclude this was a different poster or maybe he no longer cares about typing arrors.

placido

 

[Des]

my friend Hitler was a catholic, and he was very good friend with biships and priest. the helped him caried out what he wanted to do.
and if you dont know anything about the time when the church was in power over all the earth you should look it up.
do youthink he was apoligizing because he was sorry fo all the cruelty? i dont think to. if you notise he never said what he was sorry for. he maid shore to stay away from that point. when the Catholic churcj rule the world again we will see what she will do again.
the bible says that the catholic church will rule the world again, one last time. now that should make you hapy. at least you can have the pease of mind that you will be in power again over all the world.

Wow! Are you for real? I won’t even answer this nonsense. How about some official links first before you preach your lies about the Church. You have nothing to offer this forum or any other Christian outside your sda cult.

And if you can’t find a verse that actually says what you say the Bible is saying then buzz off.

no my friend. she is not a pope and yes she is falible. i dont know whay you are trying to pin your beliefe on me for. i dont belive that no human is falible. not even spitits, only God.

She’s a false profit. Come on. Let me hear you say it.

what did the infalible lady of fatima tell 3 little children. how many pope was to rain after that pope that was raining then. did she not say that there would be 2 more popes and then the end of time.

The more you speak, the more foolish you look. Find me one official quote from Fatima where Our Lady said these things. Your ignorance of the Catholic religion is as bad as your spelling of the English language. Actually, I’m now beginning to wonder if you’re just a 10 year old kid trying to play with the big boys.

Oh, and any approved apparition where She does speak, are only Private Revelation. I won’t even explain that to you. But I will say we don’t create our Doctrines out of Private Revelation. You however preach what your false profit says like it’s Doctrine.

so after John paul daid it would be the end of times. well did that come true. so tell me is she is true prophet? she lied to you all or she did not know what she was talking about. the imfalible mary prediction did not come through. what kind of prophet does that make her? do you know the answer my friend? a false prophet is the correct answer.

lol the Pope said what? More nonsense not worthy of a response. Tell me, where are you getting this garbage from anyways?

You want to know something. It’s the seekers on here, who may lurk, and read your inaccurate foolishness, that eventually leads them home with a little research of their own and far away from cults like yours.

Here’s some advise that I want you to read veeeeery carefully ok.

Proverbs 10:14

Wise men lay up knowledge: but the mouth of the fool is next to confusion.

 

[placido]

I can see that, like me, Dnelson is not from English-speaking background, otherwise one has to conclude he is unschooled. To illustrate that point I will type, in capital letters, all the spelling errors in his post bellow:

"my friend Hitler was a catholic, and he was very good friend with BISHIPS and priest(S). THE helped him CARIED OUT what he wanted to do.
and if you DONT know anything about the time when the church was in power over all the earth you should look it up.
do youthink he was APOLIGIZING because he was sorry FO all the cruelty? i DONT THINK TO. if you NOTISE he never said what he was sorry for. he MAID SHORE to stay away from that point. when the Catholic CHURCJ rule the world again we will see what she will do again.
the bible says that the catholic church will rule the world again, one last time. now that should make you HAPY. at least you can have the PEASE of mind that you will be in power again over all the world.

no my friend. she is not a pope and yes she is FALIBLE. i DONT know WHAY you are trying to pin your BELIEFE on me for. i dont BELIVE that no human is FALIBLE. not even SPITITS, only God.
but since you want to talk about false PROFITS lets do that.
who is you prophet? do you even know? you just might, who knows? well let me tell you who your prophet is. IR is the virgin Mary.
you say THART mary is with god and Jesus would do anything for Mary. you claim that Mary is the church and she is INFALIBLE. so tell me? what did the INFALIBLE lady of fatima tell 3 little children. how many pope(S) WAS to RAIN after that pope that was RAINING then. did she not say that there would be 2 more popes and then the end of time. so after John paul DAID it would be the end of times. well did that come true. so tell me IS she IS true prophet? she lied to you all or she did not know what she was talking about. the IMFALIBLE mary prediction did not come through. what kind of prophet does that make her? do you know the answer my friend? a false prophet is the correct answer.

well LISTIN to you! quoting scripture and everything. telling me that i’m UNLEARN. when i can ACUALY explain what i read. you on the other hand cant EXPAINT in your own words what you believe. so you can read that VERS again but this time understanding who it is referring to.

and yours been AROUNF long before Jesus was BURN just under a DIFERENT name.

Jesus came to earth so we can have a direct link to GOD, but you DONT want to hear that, you PREFERE to get to HIN praying to a PEASE of wood.
you claim that i came to propagate lies and deceit. but every thing that i have said is what the church has said. i get every thing from you. and you call me a LIER.
in case you DONT KNW i came here to get answer as to what you believe. not for you to quote someone else. many have given me quotes from other people but they cant explain what it is IM suppose to be reading.
you want me to read a whole lot of thing from other people. i did not COM here for that. i came to find out what you believe. i TRAID to make it simple with just yes and NOW. some said yes and some said no, and some said yes and no. you are all devided on what you believe.
may God bless friend
So many spelling mistakes in one post … I know this is not a spelling contest, and I also know some of the posters (including myself) are not English-speaking, but why not try to get at least the spelling correct even if the sentence structure is somewhat imperfect?

placido

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

no my friend. she is not a pope and yes she is falible. i dont know whay you are trying to pin your beliefe on me for. i dont belive that no human is falible. not even spitits, only God.
but since you want to talk about false profits lets do that.
who is you prophet? do you even know? you just might, who knows? well let me tell you who your prophet is. ir is the virgin Mary.
you say thart mary is with god and Jesus would do anything for Mary. you claim that Mary is the church and she is infalible. so tell me? what did the infalible lady of fatima tell 3 little children. how many pope was to rain after that pope that was raining then. did she not say that there would be 2 more popes and then the end of time. so after John paul daid it would be the end of times. well did that come true. so tell me is she is true prophet? she lied to you all or she did not know what she was talking about. the imfalible mary prediction did not come through. what kind of prophet does that make her? do you know the answer my friend? a false prophet is the correct answer.

Hi dnelson001,

I see that you have your hands full here with everyone, but I would like to slow the discussion down just a bit. You make many claims and declarations, and I just have to say that you are uninformed. That is ok, many people are. But if you are indeed interested in truth, then I suggest that you read the link below regarding Fatima, and the official interpretation by the Church. This link below will correct your erroneous views. Whether you believe what is said or not, at least you will be correctly informed.

Please read this, I’m not asking you to believe it, just read the accurate information…which isn’t quite as exciting as the false understandings surrounding this event. And then I would like to return to my questions to you regarding the 10 commandments and why they were given as shown in the book of Dueteronomy.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html

God bless all!!!

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

Have you any idea whether there is such a thing as an official policy or outlook or attitude on or to Catholicism ? The fact of hostility to Catholicism is not really much of a clue - the CC is rather “ecumenism-minded”, officially at least; but a SDA or a Protestant could be pardoned for thinking this was not so ​

Or is the SDA Church arranged in such a way that the question, at least in the form asked, is meaningless ?

Thanks

We return to our advertised programme…

Hi Gottle of Geer!

Here is a link to the SDA official website, but more specifically, in the Offiical Statements section, their official position regarding the Catholic Church. Now keep in mind, when this official statement is talking about their prophetic interpretation and understanding, that they believe the Catholic Church is the beast in Revelation and the Pope is the anti-christ, and both are given their power by the dragon, satan. You don’t get all that in the official statment even though that is what they are alluding to…to get that you need to go to their prophecy seminars or take Bible studies from one of their members. But here is their official statement regarding the Catholic Church.

adventist.org/beliefs/statements/main_stat42.html

God bless all!!!

 

[Philthy]

Rules be damned… I will not be quite or Silent when some one openly attacks our Faith over and over and over. I can be silent for a bit, and I was, but when they rape our home, the Catholic church, I refuse to be quite. When people do that in my presence, they best be ready for a fight. Because as a band so eloquently put it in, “Game on” by Disciple

I hear you, my friend, but there are a number of problems with your approach.
The first is that you knowingly and willfully are ignoring the rules of the forum. This is not your forum, it is the CA forum and you must respect that. In addition, such behavior does not witness to our faith particularly well, is not conducive to the conversion of hearts and minds which is ultimately what you are trying to do, right? So if you feel the need to defend the faith and you believe that you are not merely succumbing to emotions, you should send dnelson a PM with your comments.
Please dont think I am judging you in any way. What I say I say from experience as I have gotten caught up in my “zeal for my father’s house” and allowed my emotions to get the best of me - ie I was censored by the moderators . I think I know where you are coming from, where its headed, and based on my personal experience you may wish to approach the thread differently.

 

[Joe_5859]

I can see that, like me, Dnelson is not from English-speaking background, otherwise one has to conclude he is unschooled. To illustrate that point I will type, in capital letters, all the spelling errors in his post bellow:

I admit, I had the same thought. I hate to point out spelling errors on forums, as it often seems petty, but I’ve honestly had a hard time understanding many of his posts because of it. Of course, it doesn’t help that the posts are filled with misinformation. When the very foundation of a train of thought is so skewed, it’s difficult to follow it down the track.

 

[greggy53]

Rules be damned… I will not be quite or Silent when some one openly attacks our Faith over and over and over. I can be silent for a bit, and I was, but when they rape our home, the Catholic church, I refuse to be quite.

When people do that in my presence, they best be ready for a fight. Because as a band so eloquently put it in, “Game on” by Disciple

“I’m not afraid of loving my enemies
Turning the other cheek
Blessing those that would curse me
I honestly want peace with you
But when you come against my country
When you come against my family
You try to destroy my people
I can’t just stand by
There’s no way that I can stand by
This time, I will not stand by
I am coming, and if I come, then pain is coming with me
I’m coming, and pain will be with me”

And as some one else put it so plainly, “All it takes for evil to prevail, is for good men to stand by and do nothing.”

It has been my experience that when your opponent starts loosing the debate they will start attacking the individual, or the organization instead of attacking the argument, or the point in question. When I see the opposition do this I don’t get mad, I smile because I know we have fought the good fight and we have won!.

 

[estesbob]

my friend Hitler was a catholic, and he was very good friend with biships and priest. the helped him caried out what he wanted to do.
and if you dont know anything about the time when the church was in power over all the earth you should look it up.
do youthink he was apoligizing because he was sorry fo all the cruelty? i dont think to. if you notise he never said what he was sorry for. he maid shore to stay away from that point. when the Catholic churcj rule the world again we will see what she will do again.
the bible says that the catholic church will rule the world again, one last time. now that should make you hapy. at least you can have the pease of mind that you will be in power again over all the world.

I am afraid you are the victim of a lot of disinofrmation about Hitler and his realtionship to the Church, I would suggest you read up on the lives of St Martin kolbe and St edith stein to see how Hitler treated his “friends”

Regardelss even if Pius XII personally drove the trains to the death camps and gassed the jews himself it would not invalidate the Truths entrusted ot and taught by the Church the last 2000 years.

no my friend. she is not a pope and yes she is falible. i dont know whay you are trying to pin your beliefe on me for. i dont belive that no human is falible. not even spitits, only God.
but since you want to talk about false profits lets do that.
who is you prophet? do you even know? you just might, who knows? well let me tell you who your prophet is. ir is the virgin Mary.
you say thart mary is with god and Jesus would do anything for Mary. you claim that Mary is the church and she is infalible. so tell me? what did the infalible lady of fatima tell 3 little children. how many pope was to rain after that pope that was raining then. did she not say that there would be 2 more popes and then the end of time. so after John paul daid it would be the end of times. well did that come true. so tell me is she is true prophet? she lied to you all or she did not know what she was talking about. the imfalible mary prediction did not come through. what kind of prophet does that make her? do you know the answer my friend? a false prophet is the correct answer.

The consistent message of Mary in her appearaances was stressing the power of prayer and the consequences of turning ones back on God. Everything Mary said affirmed Doctrines and teachings that had been in place from the very start of the Church. in short she revealed no new doctrines nor did she ask us to accept profound new theologies based on her word alone.

well listin to you! quoting scripture and everything. telling me that i’m unlearn. when i can acualy explain what i read. you on the other hand cant expaint in your own words what you believe. so you can read that vers again but this time understanding who it is referring to.

Again the problem comes back to who has the authority to interpret scripture. i readily acknowledge that you should NEVER accept my personal interpreation of Scripture.

and yours been arounf long before Jesus was burn just under a diferent name.

Jesus came to earth so we can have a direct link to god, but you dont want to hear that, you prefere to get to hin praying to a pease of wood.

Actaull I hear that all the time and it gives me sorrow when I do hear it. It is another example of people dislking the Church for thngs the church dos not even do.

you want me to read a whole lot of thing from other people. i did not com here for that. i came to find out what you believe. i traid to make it simple with just yes and now. some said yes and some said no, and some said yes and no. you are all devided on what you believe.

The best way to find out what we beleive is to go to the cathecism. The worst way is the way you have chosen-tell us what it is we believe and then criticize us for believing it.

 

[Philthy]

" twb1621:

               *You seem sincere, please  take no offense to the following:

Let me ask you these questions and see where it takes you.

What is the Bible (basically)?
Who called for its formation?
By whom was it compiled and initially translated as the Bible?
Who determined the canons?
What was the intended use of the Bible?
Why was the Bible introduced?

If you know the answers to these questions then you have some basics as a foundation to grow from.*

this is a good question. please give me a few day to see what i find and get back to you ok. and you can believe that i will be back with facts. and if i cant find anything I’m not afaied to say i don’t know.
so give me a few days ok.
thank you for your patience with me.and may God bless you.

Hi dnelson!

I thought that you were going to get us some answers to this very, very basic set of questions??? These topics were brought up a week ago. Is there a delay??? I noticed that you found the time to post about Hitler and some other unrelated topics, but you havent addressed the most fundamental issue that you base your faith upon:
Is the Bible the Word of God, and if so, how exactly do you know?
And how, exactly do you know which books belong in the Bible?
You said that you would be back “with the facts” and that “if I cant find anything I’m not afraid to say i dont know”. Well, times up!!! Live up to the choices you presented:
Present the facts or admit you dont know where the Bible came from and you’re not sure why you believe its the word of God.

God’s ways are not our ways…

 

[placido]

Hi dnelson!

I thought that you were going to get us some answers to this very, very basic set of questions??? These topics were brought up a week ago. Is there a delay??? I noticed that you found the time to post about Hitler and some other unrelated topics, but you havent addressed the most fundamental issue that you base your faith upon:
Is the Bible the Word of God, and if so, how exactly do you know?
And how, exactly do you know which books belong in the Bible?
You said that you would be back “with the facts” and that “if I cant find anything I’m not afraid to say i dont know”. Well, times up!!! Live up to the choices you presented:
Present the facts or admit you dont know where the Bible came from and you’re not sure why you believe its the word of God.

God’s ways are not our ways…

Perhaps Dnelson doesn’t even know that the Bible is actually not a single book but a mini-library (a collection of Inspired Books). A collection of Inspired Books, collected by someone, and that someone is … The Catholic Church. If the Catholic Church is fallible then Dnelson has a FALLIBLE collection of Inspired Books, but then, how does he even know that ALL these books - and ONLY these books - are Inspired and Infallible?

placido

 

[Dchsknight]

Hi dnelson!

I thought that you were going to get us some answers to this very, very basic set of questions??? These topics were brought up a week ago. Is there a delay??? I noticed that you found the time to post about Hitler and some other unrelated topics, but you havent addressed the most fundamental issue that you base your faith upon:
Is the Bible the Word of God, and if so, how exactly do you know?
And how, exactly do you know which books belong in the Bible?
You said that you would be back “with the facts” and that “if I cant find anything I’m not afraid to say i dont know”. Well, times up!!! Live up to the choices you presented:
Present the facts or admit you dont know where the Bible came from and you’re not sure why you believe its the word of God.

God’s ways are not our ways…

Agreed if we can not establish were we stand with the Word of God then we can not continue. Other brothers and Sisters don’t answer or reply to anything else he puts forward until he answers the above question. If he can not answer and put out what he believes then thing further can be done here…

 

[twb1621]

dnelson001:

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You haven’t answered these questions yet;

What is the Bible (basically)?
Who called for its formation?
By whom was it compiled and initially translated as the Bible?
Who determined the canons?
What was the intended use of the Bible?
Why was the Bible introduced?

Again, your response has nothing to do with the post you are referring to and you are arrogantly presenting distorted interpretations and twisted opinions of what you do present. You still have not responded to any of the posts I presented earlier. But ok, lets show your tweaked interpretations and your opinions of their meanings;

Dnelson said; “The biblical Historical interpretation recognized and enforced by the church was that the earth was flat. That must be true too.”

TWB: Show me the Biblical text on this.

Dnelson said; “The biblical Historical interpretation recognized and enforced by the church was that the earth is the center of the Unevers. That must be true too.”

TWB: Show me the Biblical text on this.

Dnelson said “The true church was founded AGAIN long long after the Catholic Church because that is what the bible predicted. The bible said that she would be in hiding for 1260 years.”

TWB; Ok, show me the credible support for this, including support that Jesus’ proclamation that His church would never fall and that He was wrong. Show credible support from Gospel that a “new” church would be founded by some guy in the 1800’s who gets his predictions all wrong after Jesus’ Church fails. By the way, would all this be in the Holy Bible that the Catholic Church compiled, translated, interpreted and canonized before introducing it through its teachings of Christ to the early Christians who were all hiding for 1260 years? How did your group come up with that one?

Dnelson said; “Tell me my friend. When was the Catholic church persecuted In the dark ages?”

TWB: Throughout recorded history.

Dnelson said; “Was she the persecuted”?

TWB; throughout history

Dnelson said; “or the persecutor?”

TWB; The Church was never the persecutor but there were corrupt people at times within her that persecuted others. Jesus mentioned there would be or didn’t you know that?

Dnelson said; “How long was she in power? Do you know? It was 1260 years.”

TWB; Show me the credible support… yawn…

Dnelson said; “Would think to change times and laws. Who tried to change the law of God? The church.”

TWB; The only changes in the teachings or inspired word of God as recorded in the scriptures are by groups such as yours. This is proven.

Dnelson said: “What calendar we use today? Gregorian calendar, and who is this Gregory? A Pope.”

TWB; Gregorian… Jealous? Well we have been around for 2000 years where you only came along at best in the 1800’s… and how many times has your group changed their predictions?

Dnelson said: “I gather you believe that the woman was or is Mary. Ok I will give you the benefit of a doubt. When was Mary persecuted for 1260 years? Or if you prefer to not take it prophetically, then take it literally. When was she persecuted for 1260 days or 3.5 years or 42 months? Remember that a biblical month had 30 days each.”

TWB: Your question refers to nothing, zip, zilch. If you are going to ask a question, ask the entire question including what you are referring to.

Dnelson said: “I though I had ask you to explain what you want me to understand. I don’t understand anything from this explanation. I’m sure you understand it, you can’t explain it but you understand it.”

TWB; I understand and can explain it. You are the one telling us that we can’t and you can so go for it. Your interpretation was as credible as my saying you are purple with six legs. You can say it but you are way wrong.

 

[twb1621]

Dnelson said: “Well lets take a look at the verse and the verses before it shall we…”

2 Peter 3:1-4
Dnelson Bible…… This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

Original Latin Vulgate 1 Behold this second epistle I write to you, my dearly beloved, in which I stir up by way of admonition your sincere mind:

Note:big difference between “remembrance” and “admonition”.

Dnelson Bible… 2: That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

Original Latin Vulgate 2 That you may be mindful of those words which I told you before from the holy prophets, and of your apostles, of the precepts of the Lord and Saviour.

Note; The commandments are not established by the apostles who are of the Lord and Savior, the true text recommends that they be mindful of the words or teachings from the holy prophets and apostles which are the precepts of our Lord.

Dnelson said: “ my note: mindful of who’s words? I wonder who the prophets before the apostles were.- Why do we have to mindful of there words if the church say that we don’t have to pay any attention to them because the apostle had the power to change all of that. And who was one of the biggest prophets? Moses.”

TWB; delusional statement

Dnelson Bible…… 3: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

Original Latin Vulgate 3 Knowing this first, that in the last days there shall come deceitful scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

Dnelson Bible …… 4: And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Original Latin Vulgate****4 Saying: Where is his promise or his coming? for since the time that the fathers slept, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Dnelson said; Do you see how the text takes a different meaning when you get it in context.

TWB; Yes I do see how the texts can take on a different meaning. Yours are tweaked.

Dnelson said: “Another thing; what Fathers are he talking about?”

TWB; Referring to ‘fathers” in this case is referring to their ancestors.

Dnelson said: “If this is the apostle Peter speaking who you say if the first Father, the pope. Then who are these fathers (in plurals) he is speaking off? I guess you can’t answer that either.”

TWB: Sorry lil’ buddy, no one ever suggested Peter referred to any pope or to himself as “father”. Your statement here is delusional.

continued…

 

[twb1621]

dnelson001:
Dnelson said offered;
Acts 3:25 says:
Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

TWB: Whats your point?

Dnelson said; ‘These are the fathers, and these are the 12 starts in the crown of the woman, not the apostles.”Am I belttling the apostles? Not at all I am just putting them in there true position. What are the apostles then if they are not the stars is a good question. Again we go to the bible.

TWB: I’m sorry lil buddy, but the twelve stars represent the twelve tribes under the twelve apostles as established and chosen by Jesus.

Dnelson offered:
Revelation 21:14. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Dnelson said; :The apostles are the foundation of the church.”

TWB; Wow, you got one. We believe this also. Go figure.
Continued from previous post…

Dnelson said; “They are not the door as you may believe. The door are the sons of Israel not the apostles. Is the church only founded on Petter? Or is it founded on all the apostles. How many foundation did it say? 12 foundations.”

TWB: Who said door? But there you go babbling again.

Dnelson, there is no point in breaking your statements down any further. Answer the questions of the origin of the Bible and those above to start with but please make some sense. Then maybe we can explain some things to you.

 

[Marsha_Adams]

Dnelsen:

In the original Greek 2 Peter 3:1 is neither remembrance or admonishment. The literal translation is “hupomnEsis ho eilikrinEs dianoia” under-reminding the sincere thru-mind. Sincere is translated in the KJV as pure and stuck in after stir up which in the original is “I am thru rousing of you.”

So let’s re-cap. You have very poor English using pease instead of piece and you have no New Testament Greek. Therefore everything you have in terms of understanding the Bible you have gotten third hand from somebody else. That doesn’t put you in a very good position for trying to tell us what the Bible means or where it came from.

 

[Philthy]

Hi dnelson!

I thought that you were going to get us some answers to this very, very basic set of questions??? These topics were brought up a week ago. Is there a delay??? I noticed that you found the time to post about Hitler and some other unrelated topics, but you havent addressed the most fundamental issue that you base your faith upon:
Is the Bible the Word of God, and if so, how exactly do you know?
And how, exactly do you know which books belong in the Bible?
You said that you would be back “with the facts” and that “if I cant find anything I’m not afraid to say i dont know”. Well, times up!!! Live up to the choices you presented:
Present the facts or admit you dont know where the Bible came from and you’re not sure why you believe its the word of God.

God’s ways are not our ways…

patiently waiting!

 

[dnelson001]

So God couldnt get it right the first time? And since these alleged two Bible Prophecy Churchs have very different doctrines how do we resolve that? Or did the rules change after 1,840 years?

There you go again. Accusing me of exactly what I’m accusing the church. Trying to shift blame again I see.
My God got always gets it right the first time, He does not have to fix anything when he is done. it is your God that does not know what he is doing.
My God santifaied the Sabbath and made it Holy. When God came to the earth he kept what he himself proclaimed on mount Sinai when he gived the 10 commandments.
God said that he has magnified his word over all his mane (Psalm 138:2). Why do you think that Jesus had to come to die? Because he said: if you eat the frout or touch it you shall shorly die. Adam and eve had to die according to the law. When God said it, it became law. But God loved us and he new that we were deceived by the Devil that said: you shall not shorely die. Remember this quote I wil get back to that in a minute.
Jesus came because the law had to be fulfill, it is unchangeable. It is there for a reason. Do you think that God will tell us to do something just because he feels like it. Every thing has a reason
God give us the Sabbath day to keep holy, it his his day alone. Jesus said I am lord of the Sabbath. Did he say he is lord of any other day of the week? No. he said the Sabbath. It is his day. On that day you do his will not your. Now I know some of you will want to think that God is the lord of every day of the week and that is true, because he made them all, all 7 days, but he made one day especially for himself. He des not require you to keep holy any other day. What did Jesus say? Six days you shall labor and do all THY work but the sevent day id the Lords. It is his day. And his alone. Now thing about this a bit. Where in the bible is the Sabbath day not linked with joy and happiness, a time of sharing and rejoicing? The bible says: Isaiah 58:13,14:
13. If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Yes my fiend, May god got it right the first time around. It is your God tha needed to change things, not mine.
It seams to me that you think that by my statement of 2 churches in bible prophecy that God had something to do with the catholic church. If that is your assumption you had better read it again.
The bible speaks about 2 churches in Revelation. The true one in 12: 1, and the false one in 17:1. The true is in hiding for 1260 prophetic days or years (12:6, 14). Time is 1 year and times are 2 years and half a time is half a year (Daniel 4:16, 23, 30-33, 34,) notice also that in vers 34 he says: at the end of the days his reasoning came back to him, he was like that for 7 years, so 7 times is 7 years, a time is a year, how do we know that a day is a year in prophetic time period? (numbers 14:34).
So we have 2 churches, one is persecutes for 1260 years and the other rules the intire earth (rev 13:7).
Now tell me? What church at one point rules the entire earth? What church had crusades? What church rules the intire earth for 1260 year? Was the church in hiding when she rules the world? Of course not, that would be silly if you say yes, how could she be in hiding if she rules the world?
So; what church was hiding for thouse 1260 years? The true church was in hiding.
One more thing, about the serpants words:” thou shall not surely dies”. Tell who still teach that doctrine today? Answer me this question? What do you teach happens when you die? Is the person dead or is he still alive somewhere? And how long will he be alive in heaven or hell? Will he ever dies or stop burnig? God said he shall surely dies but you say no, he shall not surly die; he will burn for ever and ever. So now you know were that doctrine comes from. It Is not from the God that created heaven and earth because he said the opposite of what you teach.

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What kind of game is god playing with us? There is no universal truth-he changes it at will and the only ones who can be saved are the ones intelligent enough to figure it from scripture???

There is a universal truth, what was in the beginning is the same today and will be the same in heaven. The bible says that in heaven w will also keep the Sabbath (Isaiah 66:23) And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. 24: And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
Now I put verse 24 in there because I know it someone read that it can seams to say that they are burning for ever and ever. But if you read it carefully you will see that it says there worn shall not die. It starts of saying we will look on their “carcases”, what does that tell you? They are “DEAD”. Then it says: for their “worm” (singular) shall not die not “worms” (plural). Well let’s see if the bible has an explanation for this as well shall we…
In Isaiah 14:3-12 speaking of Lucifer.
10: All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11: Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Oh how I wish I could go into more of what this chapter has to say but for now I will keep the answer focus on your question.
They are telling the devil that he has become as one of then (the wicked) God has made him to become a material body that can suffer hurt. This is at the last day when God destroy the devil and the wicked. Now in verse 11 his glory is broth down to the level that death is a possibility, because you can hear the noise of his viols. He is feeling the heat. Hell will not be a playground for him, it is prepaird to destroy him but you teach that he is administrating it right now and having a good time torturing souls there. Now God says the worm (singular) is under thee. And then the worms (plural) cover thee.
Now what does this means? Worm represent corruption (Job 17:14) every one is represented as “A” worm. Now what does it means by the worms (plural) cover thee? In Ezekiel 28:7-9 speaking of the devil it says.
7: Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.
8: They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.
9: Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.
10: Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
The worms that cover him are people inrages at him and pull their weapons out to slay, they are the worms that cover him to kill him, they jump on him to defile his brightness. Remember at this point he can be hurt just like every one else on earth. Lucifer claims to be God, just ask a 33 degree free mason or a luciferian what he is? They will tell you.
The fire is quenched because nothing can stop it from doings it work. It will not stop until everything is ashes (Malachi 4:3).
3. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Why would there ever be any need for new church after Jesus founded the catholic Church? Unless of course he got it all wrong in the first place.

I though I had already answered this question. Jesus did not founded this church, we have the popes and Constantine to thank for that. The very chuch tells you plainly and you also told me that the church s not founded on the bible. That the bible does not have any authority when it comes to the church. But if I ask you why do you believe that you have the right church you will point to Jesus telling peter he is the rock. It does not mater that in that verse he used 2 deferent words for Rock. He said to Peter you are a rock (the Hebrew word used is a small rock) and then he says on this Rock (it is a deferent word, this time it means a Rock that cannot be move) will I build my church.
But that is beside the point. You will quickly go to that text and say that is were we get out authority. That book as you call it, has enough authority to give you your authority but it cannot rule you. That is like a janitor interviewing and hiring the CEO of the largest corporation in the world.
Like I said, God got it right the first time when he said that Sabbath was holy to him.

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There you go again. Accusing me of exactly what I’m accusing the church. Trying to shift blame again I see.
My God got always gets it right the first time, He does not have to fix anything when he is done. it is your God that does not know what he is doing.
My God santifaied the Sabbath and made it Holy. When God came to the earth he kept what he himself proclaimed on mount Sinai when he gived the 10 commandments.
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If God got it right the first time why did the gates of hell prevail for 1260 years?