I think what is called for is a request for answers to all the scripture verses that have been presented to him that he refuses to answer. Otherwise we are just asking to continue to be insulted because of his tweaking what little he knows and his ignorance to the remaining scripture.
It’s hard to take seriously your accusations of “ignorance” when your posts are filled with such a plethora of spelling and grammatical errors (setting aside the gross historical and theological errors). Spell check is your friend! Plus, proofreading shows you care.
Yes, we will all keep “sourching”.
i don’t know about you but i don’t see anything in that text that say to worship any images.
did Gos tell them to worship the image? or did he tell them to look upon it? my eyes must be bad here too. can you please show me were it say to worship the serpent?
dnelson:
I guess Im a little confused – this verse says nothing about calling for the formation of a New Testament to be added to the Old Testament and jointly being declared “The Bible”. That was what you were supposed to be answering. Im not at all surprised by your failure to answer the simple question asked of you.
dnelson:
This is too silly to even address with any seriousness. King James had the manuscripts??? From whom – exactly- did he get them and how do we know they are authentic??? You seem to have enough intelligence to recognize the absurdity of your claim so I will have to assume you are not using that intelligence. As anticipated, you don’t have coherent answers to some basic questions about the bible – this answer reveals that basic lacking more than anything I could say. I do thank you for answering honestly.This is a diversion, but I will briefly address it. Its not that “they” didn’t tell me that, it just that the version I have heard is a little different than yours. The Church encountered fraudulent copies of Scripture, uninspired texts, etc being put forth by a variety of individuals as “The Bible”. When they encountered these they destroyed those copies. I am grateful that the Church, the pillar and foundation of truth, was there to accomplish this, and it makes good sense.
dnelson:
I notice you are a little vague on your source for this information. It is a prophecy - or something else??? It is something else: a “tradition of men” that you claimed to reject. I don’t even think King James nor his translators even claimed to have been inspired. You did that for them. I believe you simply made it up because you need to believe it in order to have any level of credibility. I, for one, am not the slightest bit fooled by such a ridiculous claim.
This is an extrabiblical claim passed on to you thru the “traditions of men” that you claimed to reject. Do you reject traditions of men in word only? Or do you simply decide which traditions of men you wish to accept? I think you claim to reject them but actually accept those you wish to accept – like the tradition of men that you offer above.
dnelson:
I disagree and I think you purposely avoided answer my questions completely because I - wisely – included the word “exactly” in each question to force you to explain how – exactly – you knew that “King James compiled the bible”, how it is that you know that “faithful Christians” determined the canon and how and when - exactly - they “called for it” and accomplished the other necessary tasks involved in creating the Bible. The reason I did so was two-fold:Actually I was counting on it - and I wasn’t disappointed! Thank you for your frank and honest replies.
Yes much smarter, as anyone can see, and you are very humble as well.
Me too, but I think rather than continue to intellectually engage you in addressing what is patently absurd I am simply going to reiterate that you have been told lies and hope and pray that God’s will is done through this. I don’t blame you, I blame those that have misled you…
Thank you! God’s will be done…
can you tell me were did you find the word TRINITY in the bible? ok lets say he did. were in the bible did jesus say that when he died you needed a TRINITY?
Here is what she teaches: A person that dies with a mortal sin on their soul and does not repent will go to hell and be punished for eternity. A soul that does not have a mortal sin on their soul (or has one but repents) but still has venial sins on their soul will go to Purgatory to be purged of their sins and be made sinless. A person that dies without any sin on their soul (unlikely but possible) will go straight to heaven and be with God. I don’t know where you get your false notions of Catholic doctrine but you had better start looking to Catholic sources for Catholic doctrine my friend.
I don’t see how this is relevant and I don’t know what pagans believe and I don’t care. But I can tell you that Catholics DO NOT pray to statues, we use them as “pray aids” just as you use the Bible. Now don’t go saying that “YES CATHOLICS DO WORSHIP STATUES” because you have been told numerous times that we don’t. You can look it up on this forum and I’m pretty sure you won’t see anyone but Protestants saying that Catholics worship statues.
No excuses just answers.
See, now you’re getting it! That’s precisely why God forbid the making of images because no one had seen Him which was demonstrated in Deuteronomy 4:15. But, we have seen God! We’ve seen Jesus, we know what God looks like so now we can make images. Jesus fulfilled this law with His Incarnation (Mt 5:17) Once again, Catholics DO NOT pray to statues.
I’m sick of the worthless answers you give when you can’t say that Catholics are wrong anymore. If you’re stumped just say so, you’ll gain more respect that way.
Why are you repeating this again after I had already explained why I gave you that verse? Are you intentionally being stubborn here? You know I gave those verses to prove to you that ‘ONLY’ making the Graven images, which is what you were first implying, wasn’t what God commanded against. It was obviously the worshipping of them which we do NOT do.
cant stay away cant you. will i will tell you why you keep coming back. it is because you lose the debate. you see you want to prove a point but every thing you throw out there dissolves in your sight.
Pleas, please phrase your accusations in a manner that is understandable. We do not call the Church father, we call our priests father. This is only following the example of Paul in 1 Corinthians 4:15
I don’t know much about this subject so I’ll leave it up to the more learned folks here.
The queen of heaven that God that YOU speak of appears in the book of Jeremiah, chapters 7 and 44. The queen of heaven referred to, of course, was the moon which those people worshiped. The moon was an idol wich was forbidden by God. It is true that Catholics call Mary queen over all things (CCC 966, based on the eleventh chapter of Revelation, which we all know you don’t wish to talk about), we DO NOT worship her. This is spelled out very clearly in the Catechism, paragraph number 971:
It is taught BY THE CHURCH that Catholics do not worship Mary and that worship is for God alone, so if you would kindly STOP saying that we worship her, I think everyone would be a little happier.
FALSE: We do not sacrifice Him every Mass, we re-represent His “once for all” sacrifice of Calvary just as He instructed us to do (“do this in memory of me”) under the visible signs of bread and wine at the last supper.
FALSE: The Catholic Church, along with the Bible, teaches that Jesus Himself gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of HEAVEN (not of hell too, that’s not Catholic teaching at all) as demonstrated in Mt 16:19. Where does Jesus claim He has the keys of heaven and hell? Will you start providing VALID PROOF for your ridiculous accusations?
FALSE: The Bible clearly shows that Jesus exercised His authority to forgive sins AS MAN (Mk 2:10) and that He delegated that power to the Apostles (Jn 20:22-23). The power was, by necessity, to be passed down through the ages because man would alwys sin and would always need forgiveness.
Here is Catholic teaching on hell:
I bolded the important parts. As you can see, the Catholic Church teaches that there IS a hell and that GOING THERE IS A REAL POSSIBILITY. The teaching of the Catholic Church is more inline with God’s than yours precisely because IT IS GOD’S TEACHING. When will you start backing up your hollow accusations with facts and scripture? You won’t because you’re not trying to share your twisted version of the truth, you’re just trying to make the Catholic Church look bad, something you fail at miserably.
I think he’s trying to quote Ezechiel 18:4 or 20
I know how you feel. I think he’s attacking Purgatory, how we say you won’t go to hell if you go there. To him that’s the equivalent of telling all Catholics that they can’t go to hell (die spiritually) which is what the serpent convinced Eve of. I’m not sure if that’s right but I couldn’t come up with a better explanation…do you have any ideas?Ok, but where does the serpent come in then??
He has me sorely confused!
I have read that SDA’s don’t believ in Hell…it’s you die when you die kinda thing. That doesn’t make much sense because oblivion is not punishment. And Scripture does tell us that Hell is punishment.
Actually it’s because you’re such an easy target. You’re a poster boy for anti Catholic ignorance who continues to expose yourself everytime you speak. The lurkers looking into Catholicism are getting a good idea of the kind of people out there like yourself who just rant off anything against the Church that you read from your own little circle of truth and take it as fact.
Quote me where I said that please.
You just wasted your time posting that paragraph cause as usual, I can’t make any sense out of it.
Sorry, but you have far too many grammatical errors in any of your posts to even make sense let alone to make a point.
I think they believe in Hell but it won’t be eternal. God will get rid of it when Christ returns as opposed to allowing everyone there to suffer for all eternity.
Where do these people come from? Don’t they have some other writings that they believe are inspired as well? Kinda like the Book of Mormon but for SDA’s?