Members that grow up in the church get baptized when they are 8 years old. This was revealed in the Book of Mormon, and further confirmed by Joseph Smith. It is generally tradition however to bless a baby after they are born though. This is not baptism however, and only intended as a protection and guide for the baby. We believe babies are innocent when they are born, as revealed by the Prophet Joseph Smith.Do you baptize babies like catholics?
Based on what reference? We feel it unnecessary, not necessarily evil. I guess the only thing evil about it would be that God has commanded a modern Prophet to do it at age 8, and one would not be following God by doing so. It also would not be accepted in Church records. We believe little children are innocent, and thus unnecessary to baptize until they are 8.mormons consider it very evil to baptize babies.
I have never heard that in all my years in the church. where do you base that from?mormons consider it very evil to baptize babies.
prophet, please. more like pervert joe smith. how could a prophet–the glass looker–get arrested for scamming people? a critical thinking person would see that this guy has a history of tricking people.We believe babies are innocent when they are born, as revealed by the Prophet Joseph Smith
7 prophesies never came true. hence, joe smith was a pervert liar fraud.Over the last 200 years a number of people have claimed to be religious prophets with special spiritual authority from God. These include Charles Taze Russell (Jehovah’s Witnesses), Ellen G. White (Seventh-day Adventists), Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science), and Joseph Smith (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). Each started an organization which claimed to be the one true Christian Church, each had unique teachings, and each appealed to the Bible to some degree as their basis for spiritual authority. Yet, each “prophet’s” teachings contradict those of the others.
I’m sorry but this forum has lost its credibility for me. Nothing but attack after attack against my religion. I came here to answer a simple question, and get bombarded with attacks against it. Yes, I have considered these questions, and yes, there is credible evidence against every single one of them. Yes, you can pray like I have to your Father in Heaven and find out if these things are true yourself - it won’t work however if you don’t open your heart! I know my church is true. I know Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God. I know we have a prophet of God who leads and guides the Church of Jesus Christ today. I don’t need someone else to vouch for or against that. I am not going to go on defending attack after attack against my religion on here. If you have a sincere question for me, please feel free to PM me (Kitty Chan and the others that had sincere questions, you are welcome to pm me). Otherwise I refuse to continue commenting here.aside from all the historical contradictions of mormonism, the sure test of a prophet is his prophesies. 7 prophesies never came true. hence, joe smith was a pervert liar fraud.
for the life of me, i can’t understand how anyone can be mormon. there are so many loose ends, so many holes…
BoM Moroni 8:13 *Wherefore, if little children could not be saved without baptism, these must have gone to an endless hell.Based on what reference? We feel it unnecessary, not necessarily evil. I guess the only thing evil about it would be that God has commanded a modern Prophet to do it at age 8, and one would not be following God by doing so. It also would not be accepted in Church records. We believe little children are innocent, and thus unnecessary to baptize until they are 8.
so when mormon claims are proven false you are satisfied that FAIR making a response regardless of how flimsy constitutes irrefutable evidence that any claims contrary to the “official” (current) position of the LDS church are just anti-mormon propaganda? and when others don’t accept that you retreat into the quasi gnostic approach that god revealed the “real” truth to YOU via prophecy and those of us who choose a firmer foundation just didn’t get the same message when we prayed for understanding because we didn’t already have our minds made up that mormonism was true? so now after come to a catholic forum and preaching false doctrine you’re gonna take your football and go home. Comment or not, it’s your choice but I think every “attack” that you perceived against your church was a valid point substantiated by verifiable evidence and was given to you out of a sincere desire to share the truth about God and his Church with you and every other mormon, muslim, jew, atheist, etc. since God loves every human being and doesn’t give up on any of them.I’m sorry but this forum has lost its credibility for me. Nothing but attack after attack against my religion. I came here to answer a simple question, and get bombarded with attacks against it. Yes, I have considered these questions, and yes, there is credible evidence against every single one of them. Yes, you can pray like I have to your Father in Heaven and find out if these things are true yourself - it won’t work however if you don’t open your heart! I know my church is true. I know Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God. I know we have a prophet of God who leads and guides the Church of Jesus Christ today. I don’t need someone else to vouch for or against that. I am not going to go on defending attack after attack against my religion on here. If you have a sincere question for me, please feel free to PM me (Kitty Chan and the others that had sincere questions, you are welcome to pm me). Otherwise I refuse to continue commenting here.
The answer is simple; don’t reply to them! Sometimes the best answer you can give to someone is not to reply to them. That can actually be a very devastating response, believe it or not. I have been posting here since last September, and I have posted early 1,000 messages so far; but there are some people here to whom I have never given a single reply. When somebody’s posts consist of nothing more than groundless attacks, their strategy is obvious and simple: it is to provoke! Well, the response to that is equally obvious and simple: don’t be provoked! When you reply to them (any reply), that means that their strategy has been successful. They have succeeded in provoking you, which means that they have won and you have lost! It does not matter what answer you give. You become the loser by the mere act of replying. But when you don’t reply to them, the shoe is on the other foot; it means that you have won and they have lost! I know it sounds silly, but that is how it works. It is that simple.I’m sorry but this forum has lost its credibility for me. Nothing but attack after attack against my religion. I came here to answer a simple question, and get bombarded with attacks against it.
Finally, a Mormon admits to having Protestant roots. Hallelujia!Mormons & Protestants believe that baptism is for the forgiveness of sins. Catholics believe it is an infusion of grace (correct me if I err here) and this is a fundamental difference in their understanding.
It doesn’t just sound silly, Zerinus. It is silly.But when you don’t reply to them, the shoe is on the other foot; it means that you have won and they have lost! I know it sounds silly, but that is how it works. It is that simple.
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You’re right on that, Allweather. But even from your staunchly Catholic point of view, I hope you realize it was a point of conscience to do so. It was a decision that was not taken lightly or done to draw people away from Christ but to draw them closer.Rejection of its valid authority to establish true doctrine and interpret Scripture.
I appreciate what you are saying and I will go so far as to say that many mormons choose not to promote the more controversial parts of their religion. BUT the BoM is still binding doctrine for LDS. I think it is quite clear on how it paints people that believe in and practice infant baptism.Majick, while it’s fair to say the Mormon thought it was a terrible thing to do (baptise infants), I don’t think it expresses what most modern day Mormons think. Personally, I’d say he was reacting to something not in the scripture. But as you know, the method of baptism was a big enough schizm to form all the various Baptists and Annabaptist denominations.
Mormons & Protestants believe that baptism is for the forgiveness of sins. Catholics believe it is an infusion of grace (correct me if I err here) and this is a fundamental difference in their understanding.
Are you referring to Joseph Smith’s decision? I doubt that JS, being steeped in Protestant auras that surrounded him in the U.S. of his day, could have had any but Protestant leanings. I can’t say how much he was being led by his conscience, but I’m certainly willing to give him benefit of the doubt on this, and admit that he may not merely have been out to establish a new religion with himself as Pope and Prophet.You’re right on that, Allweather. But even from your staunchly Catholic point of view, I hope you realize it was a point of conscience to do so. It was a decision that was not taken lightly or done to draw people away from Christ but to draw them closer.
Lately, I have more and more realized the hybrid nature of Mormonism, as you say. I’m still coming to grips with this. I have lots more to learn. However, keep in mind that the Scriptures, by which I mean primarily the New Testament, were written and collected together by the Catholic Church around 350 years after the resurrection of Jesus. It is the Catholic Church which decided what goes into the NT, and the Catholic Church which had, and retains, authority, given by Jesus, and established upon the Apostolic succession, to interpret Scripture, and to define and enforce doctrine. Therefore, any ideas about the meaning of baptism, MUST be referenced to Catholic teachings, and not merely apparent Biblical verses. It is obvious what can happen when the Bible is read as a standalone resource: Protestantism, with its offshoots of the various sects, among which is Mormonism, born in April of 1830.Also, please note that the Mormon teaching is actually a hybird between the Catholic and Protestant positions. The Catholics will point to many scriptures that point to baptism bring the spirit (infusion of grace isn’t in the Bible). But the Protestants also have many scriptures that point to it being for repentance. The Mormons follow baptism with the Gift of the Holy Ghost, a separate ordinance which would be as close to an infusion of grace.
From the Book of Mormon:I have never heard that in all my years in the church. where do you base that from?