Can I still call myself Catholic?

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This lack of faith in Christ’s presence in the Eucharist is one of the greatest tragedies of “Catholics” today.
In truth, I’m not sure I entirely understand it, but I haven’t gotten beyond the Book of Jeremiah, so I still have the remainder of Old Testament Prophetic Books, the New Testament, Catechism of the Catholic Church, plus a few other books by St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas, and Eusibius.
You will never entirely understand it. It is a MYSTERY of our faith. There are some things we will never fully understand, because they are beyond human reasoning. But that’s actually a good thing; it means that our God is so wonderful that we will never completely understand Him. (If we could, He would not be God.)

So even with your very ambitious reading program, you will never fully “understand” Christ’s presence in the Eucharist. But that’s OK, because God is Truth, and since He told us that “This is My Body,” and “This is My Blood,” and “Do this in remembrance of Me,” we can have full confidence in His word.

By the way, as you read the Bible, the really fun part is making connections between the Old and New Testament. Scripture must be understood as a whole, and it is all interrelated. As Saint Augustine said,
“The New Testament is concealed in the Old Testament, the Old Testament is revealed in the New Testament.”
If you want examples of New/Old Testament connections, which I think will enrich your study, feel free to PM me. (If your Bible has good footnotes they might help too.)
 
I am having some major problems with the Catholic faith. I thought my problem was with opposing gay marriage, women priests and priests not being allowed to get married. When I started looking into what I am supposed to believe , I realized I had much bigger issues. The Pope is infallable, Mary was a virgin the rest of her life, Purgatory? I have never believed any of that. I have always gone to Church to hear the word of God, not for any of the sacrements. If I keep going to the Catholic Church but dont go to communion, can I still say I am Catholic? I am certainly not in communion with the Church. I am sure some of you will say that I shouldnt be going to a Church I dont believe in, but where am I going to go?
I don’t see why someone not in communion with the church would want to call themself catholic.The first question Pope Benedict was asked, that I had read about , after his election as Pope went along these lines. What will be done to stop the exodus from the church? His reply, again along these lines was, We are not interested in the quanity of members, but in the the Quality! You seem to be in a real predicament. I don’t suggest you leave the Only real Church instituted by God, but try to be open to Her teachings.
This will require effort. Find someone , priest or laity, to help you in this spiritual life.
Perservance and ask The Holy Spirit to help you.
 
Let me save you some time, all such groups or persons championing the above issues have been Excommunicated by a Bishop of the Diocese in Baltimore.
There is a website dedicated to keeping track of the excommunications and the names
and organizers of these groups. You don’t have to leave the Church, there is a Bishop
handling the matter continually. Excommunicated in Baltimore is excommunicated Everywhere. Your Church is fine… You may still attend.
Of course you may still attend. Being excommunicated does not mean one is no longer Catholic in the eyes of the Church. Barred from things like the sacraments but still considered a Catholic.
 
On women priests, in Biblical times the Aposle Paul tells us women were not to speak in church. But nowadays women of course have speaking roles in the Church, are Eucharisitc ministers and the like. We even have girl “altar boys” now. 🙂 So what if yrs from now God tells another Pope he now wants women priests. There will be women priests at that point. Who really knows.
Please take what you were reading in CONTEXT and also consider the roles you are describing:o

Lay people are typically NOT Eucharistic Ministers. We can, however, become Extraordinary Ministers of the Holy Eucharist. 🙂

Eucharistic Ministers are different from Lay People. 😊

And women have always had a role in the church.👍
 
=ProVobis;6174318]You are right and I agree with you totally. But to further define what a “just” war is, it can’t involve killing of elderly, pregnant women, and small children, no matter which side. Killing enemy pregnant women is abortion too. Collateral damage is a phoney rationalization for an unjust war.
As an FYI…

Never in the history of the world has there been a more concerned errfot to control
“collateral” damage then in Iraq. As wether or not the was was “just” is ones own opinion.
 
Lay people are typically NOT Eucharistic Ministers. We can, however, become Extraordinary Ministers of the Holy Eucharist. 🙂
Close, but not quite. 🙂 Lay people can be Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. Only priests can be ministers of the Holy Eucharist (i.e., offer Mass).
 
Sometimes you have to take a leap of faith. .
The more I read and think the more I find that to be more of Protestant than a Catholic thought.

My faith has deepened through a steady drip drip drip of reflection, study and meditation. Save the leaps for those dudes in the mega Churches who pass out on the floor when Joel Orsteen passes by.

dj
 
And back again for Round 3:

PhiloteaZ
Instead of waiting to be “the ideal Christian,” which none of us will be until God finishes purifying us, why not start by being “Christian”? Be a follower of Christ, even though an imperfect one. Know that you will fall sometimes, but that He will pick you up as often as you repent. That is why He carried the Cross for you, so you don’t have to do it alone. You need to cooperate with His grace, not wait until you have figured out how to do it perfectly by yourself (that will never happen).
I think I’m more afraid of giving false confession and hosing myself by adding to what is wrong. In other words, I don’t want this to be like one of those fake apologies that a person does as a child when caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Exterior actions need to match the Interior actions.

It’s more “I want an absolute guarantee that I’m not going to screw this up again”. Working to that end, having obtained that goal, I can then go to the Confessional and tell the priest my sins knowing that I’ve already completely repented of wrong-doing before God.

Now, you’re absolutely correct in that I can’t do what’s right if I don’t approach and attempt to mimic St. Michael (He Who Walks Like God). To approach a problem without God is like throwing darts in a dark room with a blindfold on.

PJM
Then add in the secular theology of “relativism”:; taught in schools at all levels of education as FACT; “It is ONLY wrong IF you think that it is wrong”, and you have one of the final nails in the coffin.
The other nail lies in Mass Media, free will sex, if it feels good do it, and the like. This lead to free choice Abortions by the MILLIONS, effectively changing the culture and conscience of America. The Church has largely lost Her influence for Moral absolutes and Moral right and wrongs.
Yes, I grew up with the secular theology via the public education system. My counter philosophy was rooted in political conservatism and American Traditionalism. It was one thing to sin, but quite another to actively fight against the dominant culture and Christianity band preach that sin is okay (bringing to mind those who prophecy falsely as mentioned in the Book of Ezekiel).
WOW! you know about Purgatory You must have really paid attention in CCD class!
Eh, more like The Purgatorio by Dante Alighieri is sitting to my right, though I’ve yet to read it. I have finished The Inferno though. I’ve also got it mapped out as to which circle I’m currently headed to. :tsktsk: :mad:

As for as the clarification of the tradition of having to have Confession adminstered solely by a priest, it seems kind of like a formality. I think I might have a better idea, at least as in the origin of this specific sacrament. I’ll be happy to read any further documents on this.

jmcrae
It seems as if the greatest fear of this generation is the fear of being a hypocrite. Trust me, there are worse things than being a hypocrite.
A great man once wrote, “i would far prefer to live next door to a hypocrite who, though he outwardly lives a law-abiding life, fantasizes at night about robbing banks and killing people, than next door to a thieving murderer who feels the need to be ‘true to himself.’”
Over time, the hypocrite will stop fantasizing, and will come to enjoy living as a law-abiding citizen, but the thieving murderer, how ever “honest” he may be, can only ever come to a bad end.
A better analogy is a man who frowns upon homosexuality and then has oral or anal sex with his wife.

HelenRose
My daughter, trying to overcome extreme shyness, was given this advice. “Fake it 'til you make it.” She did and wasn’t being a hypocrite. She lived her life as if she wasn’t afraid and shy and soon the fear went away.
I don’t know if that would classify as hypocrisy since the internal action gradually influenced the external to become in sync.

I feel more like I’m in a tug of war where I break down and say,“ah, the rule is BS”, act out on it (though no longer all the time, but still…), and then pick up and try again, upon which a few days later, BAM. And then repeat.

Fran65
I can tell you that my difference with respect to contraception was due to lack of knowledge and understanding of the theology behind it. Now that I understand it better the teaching against contraception is making more sense to me. Bear in mind that I have worked in the area of sexual health and gynaecology and was raised and educated as a feminist. The educational system I was raised in was liberal, the priest who instructed me was liberal, and it is only through God’s grace manifested in my desire to learn about my faith that I am starting to understand my earlier mistakes!
Ah, I’ve forgotten about my stance on contraceptives. I don’t really have a strong pro-position, simply because I have not arrived in a situation where I would need to make a choice. I feel that certain forms of contraceptives are dubious and downright wrong.

As I believe life starts the moment the egg is fertilized, using anything like the morning after pill or anything after the sexual act has been completed is incorrect. Other forms I’ve moved to a more conservative position on. If NFP actually does work, then I don’t really see the problem with eliminating contraceptives all together. I DO see how contraceptives have encouraged fornication though.
 
While that’s a good reason not to abort the next generation (nor to contracept it, either) it’s not the reason that abortion is wrong. Abortion is wrong because it’s always wrong to kill an innocent human being. We are permitted to kill in self-defense, and there is such a thing as just war, (and there are even circumstances when the death penalty may be warranted) but to kill an innocent child is always wrong, regardless of what he may or may not contribute to his culture and society.
I know what are you saying, but you aren’t going to get through to the heathens with that because they don’t share our belief with regards to abortion. Remember, they’re limiting themselves to everything being defined by the five senses of the physical world.

As A.B. Sheen once said, “if you are debating a Muslim, you don’t go at him with the Bible, but with the Qu’ran.”

Meaning, you have to at least attempt to work at them in a way that’s a bit closer to home for them.
 
Originally Posted by Apryl
Lay people are typically NOT Eucharistic Ministers. We can, however, become Extraordinary Ministers of the Holy Eucharist.
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Close, but not quite. Lay people can be Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. Only priests can be ministers of the Holy Eucharist (i.e., offer Mass).
***Dear freind Apryl,

“Extroninary” by actual definations by His Holiness John Paul II, in clarifying and explaining Romes expetiations are fully alligned with Marriam-Webster’s definiation.***

**“Extrodinary” ia NOT every day, nearly every Mass and everyehere! **This continues as a laterigical ABUSE, in direct disobedience to our Pope and the Catholic Magisterium.:o

Love andd prayers,

I’d provide the source but doubt that it matters:(

Love and many prayers,

Pat
 
=Andrew1983;6178140]And back again for Round 3:
PhiloteaZ
I think I’m more afraid of giving false confession and hosing myself by adding to what is wrong. In other words, I don’t want this to be like one of those fake apologies that a person does as a child when caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Exterior actions need to match the Interior actions.
It’s more “I want an absolute guarantee that I’m not going to screw this up again”. Working to that end, having obtained that goal, I can then go to the Confessional and tell the priest my sins knowing that I’ve already completely repented of wrong-doing before God.
Now, you’re absolutely correct in that I can’t do what’s right if I don’t approach and attempt to mimic St. Michael (He Who Walks Like God). To approach a problem without God is like throwing darts in a dark room with a blindfold on.
Yes, I grew up with the secular theology via the public education system. My counter philosophy was rooted in political conservatism and American Traditionalism. It was one thing to sin, but quite another to actively fight against the dominant culture and Christianity band preach that sin is okay (bringing to mind those who prophecy falsely as mentioned in the Book of Ezekiel).
Eh, more like The Purgatorio by Dante Alighieri is sitting to my right, though I’ve yet to read it. I have finished The Inferno though. I’ve also got it mapped out as to which circle I’m currently headed to. :tsktsk: :mad:
As for as the clarification of the tradition of having to have Confession adminstered solely by a priest, it seems kind of like a formality. I think I might have a better idea, at least as in the origin of this specific sacrament. I’ll be happy to read any further documents on this.
A better analogy is a man who frowns upon homosexuality and then has oral or anal sex with his wife.
HelenRose
I don’t know if that would classify as hypocrisy since the internal action gradually influenced the external to become in sync.
I feel more like I’m in a tug of war where I break down and say,“ah, the rule is BS”, act out on it (though no longer all the time, but still…), and then pick up and try again, upon which a few days later, BAM. And then repeat.
Ah, I’ve forgotten about my stance on contraceptives. I don’t really have a strong pro-position, simply because I have not arrived in a situation where I would need to make a choice. I feel that certain forms of contraceptives are dubious and downright wrong.
As I believe life starts the moment the egg is fertilized, using anything like the morning after pill or anything after the sexual act has been completed is incorrect. Other forms I’ve moved to a more conservative position on. If NFP actually does work, then I don’t really see the problem with eliminating contraceptives all together. I DO see how contraceptives have encouraged fornication though.
***Holyness and perfection are to be sought [1 Peter 1:16, Mt. 5:48 is Biblical. The realiity is that neither goal is attainable soley by or through human intent and action. God alone can make it happen, which is the precise reason to be a Catholic and avail oneself of the “ACTUAL GRACES” available through the Seven Sacraments.

These are the tools God provides to direct and assist us as we endeavor to improve and become “more God Like”.*

Any effort short of this greatly increases the odds of failure:o

Love and prayers, Pat
 
Just wanted to bring up that I have attended Mass yesterday night and plan to go again next week. I forgot that the Church has its own books for the parish to read from and had brought my St. Ignatius 2nd RSV Bible that I had gotten for Christmas.

The Mass readings were from Isaiah (yay, I’ve read this book so I had an idea what was going on!), 2nd Corinthians, and the Gospel of Mark.

Though I haven’t read the latter two, Corinthians struck a cord within me. Something about each and everyone one of us having a role and special talents to make use of while on Earth.

I can’t wait until I begin the New Testament.🙂
 
Just wanted to bring up that I have attended Mass yesterday night and plan to go again next week. I forgot that the Church has its own books for the parish to read from and had brought my St. Ignatius 2nd RSV Bible that I had gotten for Christmas.

The Mass readings were from Isaiah (yay, I’ve read this book so I had an idea what was going on!), 2nd Corinthians, and the Gospel of Mark.

Though I haven’t read the latter two, Corinthians struck a cord within me. Something about each and everyone one of us having a role and special talents to make use of while on Earth.

I can’t wait until I begin the New Testament.🙂
Wonderful! I think God is “drawing you with bands of love” (Hosea 11:4). Coming back to Mass is a wonderful first step.

I like to read the daily Mass readings the night before I go to Mass, right before bed. That way they have a chance to “sink in” as I mull over them, and I get that much more out of them at Mass the next day. You can find them at usccb.org/nab/today.shtml ; just scroll down the page and click on the date on the little calendar on the left side of the page. (If you prefer reading them out of your own Bible, you can just get the references on the website.)
 
I would like to clear something up. I dont remember being taught any of those things, and finding out that I am supposed to believe them was a complete shock to me. My faith is founded on the fact that I believe Jesus died for my sins and try my best to live my life as he did. Of course, being a sinner with free will means that I am bound to fail, but the Good News is Jesus redeemed all of us.That doesnt mean I dont keep trying. I dont understand why the Church thinks all the rest is important.
If I am following you and I hope that I am…sinning follows a pattern in normal human behavior. Just having a realization of your sin is not a valid way of confronting sin. It is important to realize your sin…be sorry…confess the sin directly…( is there a more direct method than to a priest?) and do penance. This is the most effective, spiritual manner of dealing with sin and helping to break patterns…this is why the Church thinks it is important.
 
=Andrew1983;6182305]Just wanted to bring up that I have attended Mass yesterday night and plan to go again next week. I forgot that the Church has its own books for the parish to read from and had brought my St. Ignatius 2nd RSV Bible that I had gotten for Christmas.
The Mass readings were from Isaiah (yay, I’ve read this book so I had an idea what was going on!), 2nd Corinthians, and the Gospel of Mark.
Though I haven’t read the latter two, Corinthians struck a cord within me. Something about each and everyone one of us having a role and special talents to make use of while on Earth.
I can’t wait until I begin the New Testament.🙂
***Dear friend in Christ,

A suggestion.

Because the OT finds it completation and FULLFILMENT in the NT, it might be well to read the NT first, as it will help make more sense out of some of the OT.😉

Glad you went to Mass!

Love and prayers,

Pat***
 
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