Can Islam and Christianity coexist? Vatican expert hopeful, but wary

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Please prove - no, let’s make it easier for you - please show good reason how these are not examples of Muslim hatred of those for whom the hatred is expressed.
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The propaganda of a bunch of terrorist groups is not a good exemplar of a whole religion. Neither are the columns of a governmnet paper in a brutal dictatorship. That’s all that you posted from either source, MEMRI or Jihadwatch.

There are undoubtedly radicals in the muslim world who use religion to spew their hatred…but there are those in the Christian world too, the KKK and other nazi organizations being first among them. I don’t believe you think the existence of those groups justifies labelling all Christianity “evil and racist”…if not, why then does the existence of radical groups in Islam justify labelling that religion evil?
Maybe the BBC invented all those placards calling for the extermination of others. Maybe the Shoah-deniers in the Muslim world are correct, and those horrid Jews made the whole thing up. Maybe the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem never webt to Berlin, let alone consulted with Hitler on how to exterminate the Jews
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You missed my point. These examples of extremism are, just as the Catholic-Protestant violence was, examples of politics taking religion on as a mask. This is not a problem unique to any religion, and it has nothing to do with religion at base. That was why I brought up Israel…the conflict is about nationhood and arabs, and just as radical Israelis and westerners have demonized all of muslm history, so radical muslims have done the same in reverse. That doesn’t change the fact that the conflict and hatred turns on political power, not on religious teaching at its core.
meforum.org/article/14

The fact that before 1948, the only place in the world where Jews were not consistently persecuted and where they were protected, was the Muslim world. The Emir of Morocco specifically protected jews in his kingdom when the Germans were there. Even today, if you look at the constitution of Iran (yes, the insane religious radical governmetn of Iran), religious freedom for Jews is written into it. See Article 13 of the Iranian constitution.
I suppose it’s possible that those afraid of Islam in the 16th century were hallucinating when the Muslim advance into Europe after 1453 took place - or rather, didn’t.
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Likewise, what were the British and French doing in the middle east in 1920? How did the people of South America end up speaking Spanish? How about North America…how’d they end up speaking english? I don’t see how the fact that there have been imperialists in Islam and expansion matters to this debate one bit.

I’d like to know what exactly doesn’t make sense to you about the idea that politics might be a factor in the current violence more than religion. That’s where Jihadwatch and MEMRI go wrong, and that’s why it’s better to study history and look at sources that provide citations (like the one above) for your info. Relying on a religious studies ma’s blog for this is tantamount to relying on the advice of a psychologist for engineering questions.
 
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## Because, so far, your explanations make almost no sense.
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because that pro-handle poster is an islamic apologist, look at handle posting history, all posts are pro-islam

best of luck flinging worldly facts & scientific reason against a persons committed faith of a totalitarian fascist ideology

here’s a scary article from Britain

islamic state ??

and many good articles from Catholic education website

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Ok here is my take on this:

Interesting that you dont see these demonstrations in Saudi Arabia, bahrain, Qatar, UAE, and why? Because these are thriving countries and most if not all the populace have jobs. The vast majority of those demonstrating in these third world countries havent seen a job in ages or have taken it upon themselves to leave whatever job they have to join in these demonstrations. Can you imagine us leaving our jobs when WE wanted to just to demonstrate our indignation for some political or religious cause? Yet, those in the middle east insist on not doing things the western way as far as rights, freedoms, market economies, etc. And, because of this they have been saddled with a third or fourth rate economy in which they blame the west undeservidly. If, these folks could establish some sort of western style economy Im sure that your would not see as much as what is going on there today. But this is only my opinion and it may be a major factor why these folks are angry.
 
Yet, those in the middle east insist on not doing things the western way as far as rights, freedoms, market economies, etc. And, because of this they have been saddled with a third or fourth rate economy in which they blame the west undeservidly. If, these folks could establish some sort of western style economy Im sure that your would not see as much as what is going on there today. But this is only my opinion and it may be a major factor why these folks are angry.
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Looks like you and I are on the same page, StMarkEofE!

And just imagine if we Christians lead the way in helping them to rebuild their economies and lives…there is no better way to show the goodness of our faith.
 
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pro_universal:
Looks like you and I are on the same page, StMarkEofE!

And just imagine if we Christians lead the way in helping them to rebuild their economies and lives…there is no better way to show the goodness of our faith.
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Well I was hoping that the vast wealth of the Arabian states who now enjoy this lavish way of life could somehow contribute their time and monies to encourage these economically backward countries to turn themselves around and start them on the road to economic success. After all these potentates have more money per capita than any other country in the world by comparison. Yes, we can help but these wealthy Arab states have a lot more in common and could be more persuasive in their dealing with these sub economic countries.

If the oil ever runs out, which is highly unlikely, these same Arab states will find themselves in similar straights.
 
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pro_universal:
Looks like you and I are on the same page, StMarkEofE!

And just imagine if **we Christians ** lead the way in helping them to rebuild their economies and lives…there is no better way to show the goodness of our faith.
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Jesus’ blessing Pro,
am sorry bro, you can post whatever you like, but no one here buys it you are a Christians…dont forget, Christians are going to hell so you better not label yourself one 😉
 
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pro_universal:
And just imagine if we Christians lead the way in helping them to rebuild their economies and lives…there is no better way to show the goodness of our faith.
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How can we help them rebuild their economies when they just want us out of there?
 
Yes, we can help but these wealthy Arab states have a lot more in common and could be more persuasive in their dealing with these sub economic countries.
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Looks like corruption and apathy are big problems there…they don’t seem to care. That’s certainly a tragedy.
How can we help them rebuild their economies when they just want us out of there?
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By figuring out what it is that their gripes are based on, and doing what we can to rectify the situation. Refusing to support some of the oil-pumping gangs that rule these places might be a good start, if difficult.

Tough issue, for sure
 
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StMarkEofE:
Ok here is my take on this:

Interesting that you dont see these demonstrations in Saudi Arabia, bahrain, Qatar, UAE, and why? Because these are thriving countries and most if not all the populace have jobs. The vast majority of those demonstrating in these third world countries havent seen a job in ages or have taken it upon themselves to leave whatever job they have to join in these demonstrations. Can you imagine us leaving our jobs when WE wanted to just to demonstrate our indignation for some political or religious cause? Yet, those in the middle east insist on not doing things the western way as far as rights, freedoms, market economies, etc. And, because of this they have been saddled with a third or fourth rate economy in which they blame the west undeservidly. If, these folks could establish some sort of western style economy Im sure that your would not see as much as what is going on there today. But this is only my opinion and it may be a major factor why these folks are angry.
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You’ve brought up a good point here. Where are these people’s jobs? They don’t have them.

poverty = high percentage of criminal activity

There is a sense of desperation and of a need to do SOMETHING that’s worthwhile in life. If food is hard to come by and jobs are hard to come by, surely there must be something worth fighting for and living for.

Maybe that is a huge factor in this.

Good points.

Peace.
 
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StMarkEofE:
Islamic Radicals Call for More Protests:

breitbart.com/news/2006/02/20/D8FSSQSG3.html

My question is WHY? Havent they made their point? Or do they just want to act like the crazies they are?
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I believe as time passes, that this is more about criminal behavior seeking an honorable outlet. They can “justify” their behavior because of the cartoons which gives their criminal actions a sense of legitimacy.

These radicals are crazy as you have pointed out.

Peace…
 
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ahimsaman72:
I believe as time passes, that this is more about criminal behavior seeking an honorable outlet. They can “justify” their behavior because of the cartoons which gives their criminal actions a sense of legitimacy.

These radicals are crazy as you have pointed out.

Peace…
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The first question that comes to my mind when I see thousands of demonstrators is: Dont these folks have anything else to do but wait around for the signal to demonstrate? It sure seems this.
 
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StMarkEofE:
The first question that comes to my mind when I see thousands of demonstrators is: Dont these folks have anything else to do but wait around for the signal to demonstrate? It sure seems this.
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hahaha. No kidding.

I work 40-50 hours a week and barely can take a day off and these people spend a week just demonstrating! I’m in the wrong business.

Peace…
 
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