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Gamera
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Sure it is. “Prayer” is simply communication. “Pray” doesn’t mean worship.
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happilycatholic
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So, you do believe that angels can intercede for us? I thought your opinion was that no one but Christ could intercede for us. I thought your opinion was that no one in Heaven could actually communicate with us at all.
Please clarify.
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rinnie
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good point there happycatholic!
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janw
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The prayer was addressed to “Lord” not Jesus. Maybe that prayer was addressed to God the Father.
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justasking4
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Prayer is more than just communication. When you talk with your loved ones and friends do you and they consider it prayer?
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justasking4
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I can’t think of any teaching in the Scriptures where this is said. Do you have a reference?
True on both.
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justasking4
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There is only one Lord and that Lord is Jesus.
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janw
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Lord is used in the OT many times and I think they were referring to God the Father not Jesus.
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justasking4
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That may have been true in the OT but in the verse in Acts 1 it is the Lord Jesus since they now know Him as the risen Lord. Acts 1:21 bears this out where is says:
Therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us—
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rinnie
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Justasking4. I really never got an answer from you. You said we can only use God to intercede for you. Well then if that is true why did God do the opposite. Why would God use an Angel to intercede for him. God sent the Angel to the Blessed Mother. Now why would God brake one of his own commandments. Because according to you we should not do this. Why then did God in fact do this?
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justasking4
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God is not a man. For example it is forbidden for us to take an innocent life or to destroy a nation yet God did these things because of Who He is. He has control over the angels and no one can say it is wrong for Him to use angels if so chooses. We see that He used and angel to announce to Mary how the Lord Jesus was to come into the world. He used dreams to direct her husband. We do not possess such powers or authority.
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RobGentner
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Not so. The context is during an election. It said “Lord” not “Jesus” They didn’t use one of their common names for Jesus. They might have been praying to the Father. Aren’t there more?
That would prove your point, that we are able to pray to people in Heaven! Some of these others doubt that they can hear our prayers.
Luke 1:28 does indeed show a prayer to Mary. The angel did exactly what we do.
He had a conversation with her. He acknowledged her special status of being full of grace.“Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you.” (Luke 1:28)
“Blest are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.” (Luke 1:42 )
I was wondering, If a supernatural being, One that knows God, said this of Mary, who are you a natural being to object and think less of her?
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rinnie
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And Justforasking4 you never did answer my question in Job. Why did God tell Jobs friends to intercede for them? Again you never seem to answer me? just in case your forgot Job 42 read the whole chapter.
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justasking4
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Are you referring Job prays for his friends? If so, that is a biblical thing to do. It is a biblical thing for for fellow believers in this world to pray directly to God through the Lord Jesus. What’s not biblical is to ask a departed believer to pray for you.
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Peter_J
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Hi justasking,
You won’t find any reference in the NT to “praying to Mary” or “praying to the saints”. Why? Because they didn’t call it that back then. (I’m not sure when the phrase “praying to the saints / Mary” became popular, but it is not a recent invention. If you’d like I’d be happy to find a quote from St. Thomas Aquinas defending “praying to Mary”.)
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justasking4
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What i’m trying to do first and of first importance is: Is the claim or teaching found in the Scriptures? If not, it cannot be apostolic since the apostles never taught such a thing.
Secondly then we need to see where it did begin and by whom.
What do you think?
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rinnie
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But thats not what was said. God told job’s friends to have him pray for them. It has nothing to do with a biblical thing. I have never heard of a biblical thing. You either listen to the word of God or you do not. Now would you not consider Job praying for his friends intercession or not? Why did God not tell Jobs friends to pray for themselves. Because according to you we cannot intercede for others. But In Job it plainly states otherwise. Now how in the world could it be okay for job to intercede for us and not the Mother of CHrist?
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Gamera
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Yes, in the original sense of the word “pray,” it certainly is. Sometimes in legal papers we still use “pray” in that fashion: “Wherefore your affiant prays the court to grant the following relief…” That doesn’t mean the affiant is worshipping the judge. It means “communicate.”
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Gamera
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“And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God,” Rev. 8:3.
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Peter_J
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Nevertheless, I think rinnie’s idea is very reasonable: if God uses angels as messengers to speak to us, doesn’t it make sense that he would also have them bring our prayers to him?
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