Hi Sweetheart, How are you?
Are you saying that if a person who could read NT Greek i.e. Koine Greek that they would think that “hail favored” one means without sin? If this is true either that person is incorrect or the scholar work for the NT Greek is wrong. They both cannot be right.I don’t know of any Greek-speaking people who think that Mary was a sinner - they all believe, from reading the Scriptures, that she was without sin.
I think the Orthodox would agree that the word is, translated, “full of grace,”
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But, She is actually only a creation. Yeam, she was perfect in every way. Born Sinl;ess remaind sinless and assumed into Heaven by her Son. But even with all that she was only Human. Try to remember that please! 
She can no more forgive sins that a priest could, if Jesus wasn’t there in the sacrament. 
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now let me ask you. Where did you get the idea that she could? Since it isnot based on Scripture then what is it based on? When and where is it first mentioned? Not sure what you meant. Can you clarify?Would this be an example of Tradition in “action”? Do you have a reference? My personal interpretation could be off because i don’t have enough background to understand a particular passage or verse. I can’t think of any teaching in the Scriptures where this is said.Who did this apply to? How are we as individuals to apply this to ourselves?**Hi Honey, **
Mary has no “authority”. She is the Mother of God, She is the Blesssed Virgin, She is the Most perfect person ever born besides her SON! Now He does give His authority to His priests. So It is “Priests” who have any authority not the “greatest” authority! But you knew that. You also know that preachers are eliminated because they aren’t really representatives of Jesus. (except in their own minds! ) So Mary has authority of them, I would think. I may be wrong about that. I will check with the Vatican and get back to you about that!RobGentner;4424979]** Hi Honey,
Originally Posted by justasking4
If she is a queen in heaven as you say why would she not have at least the power to forgive sins just as a human fallen priest can?
Last time you helped you…
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Who is to say He has not given it to her? If all kinds of catholics through the centuries can write incredible things about her as Saint Ligori has and we see the titles for her in the Divine Chaplet To The Blessed Mother Of Our Lord And Savior Jesus Christ it naturally follows she would have the power to forgive sins just as a priest does.
Is it not true that catholics are able to be forgiven because of grace?
i have been on CAF for awhile and I see how catholics think not only in their posts but in catholic writings. Putting on my catholic hat opens up all kinds of possibilities since you don’t have to restrict yourself to what the Scriptures say but can access the “fullness of the truth” and Oral Traditions. Almost anything is possible in catholic thinking. Its great when you don’t have to have any support for a claim. The mere assertion of a claim is enough to be true.
I would say Luke 1:28. Since catholics can get from “hail favored one” to the immaculate conception to a sinless life to her assumption to the queen of heaven why not say it starts here?
Many people claim to believe in a God but that does not mean it’s the God of Christianity i.e. the True God. Muslims claim to believe in God but it is not the God of the Lord Jesus Christ. There are certain and specific facts a person must believe if he-she is to enter heaven and that is to believe in the “name” and all that it entails if that person is to be saved. Acts 4:12 is a case in point:
**“ There is no salvation through anyone else, nor is there any other name under heaven given to the human race by which we are to be saved."/**quote]
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This JustAsking4 Member I really like. :tiphat:
**Boy, I wish you worked for our group! **
That is the Most Catholic statement I have heard here in the longest time. God inspired you that is for sure!
I know you are going to get chewed out by the other Justasking4’s, but have peace knowing that the Catholic’s here totally agree with you!
Also remember there is no savvation through Jesus unless you follow all of His commandments:
One being:
“Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:53-54
Another being:
"For Moses said,Honor your father and your mother'; and,He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ "Mar 7:10
**The verb "curse”He said here is the Greek verb “kakologeo” which means “speak evil”. ****Whoever spoke evil against his father or mother was to be put to death. Jesus gave His Church His Mother to be Our Mother. People who curse her will answer to Her son! He said to Honor Her if you follow jesus you Love His mother.
That’s true. Which is more likely - someone who has only book-learning to go from (and starts from a Protestant bias), or someone who actually speaks the language as a native speaker?
Once again - she is not a female king. She is not a Queen in the sense that Queen Elizabeth is a Queen - making laws, upholding the civil order, etc. No.
These Greek lexicons are not “Protestant biased” but are based on good scholarship. I remember reading somewhere even Catholic scholars use them and depend on them. I would also put more credence on a scholarly work of a language than a native speaker because the scholars work is used in scholarly circles and must adhere to strict standards while the person who speaks it fluently is not under such requirements. Just compare our english with a dictionary. It is the dictionary that carries the day in what a word means.
Once again - she is not a female king. She is not a Queen in the sense that Queen Elizabeth is a Queen - making laws, upholding the civil order, etc. No.
Rather, she is Queen in the sense that Camilla will be Queen when Prince Charles becomes King. No power, no authority; just lots of pretty clothes and stuff, and everyone will love her.
JB,She is far more that any earthly queen ever was. See this page:Once again - she is not a female king. She is not a Queen in the sense that Queen Elizabeth is a Queen - making laws, upholding the civil order, etc. No.
Rather, she is Queen in the sense that Camilla will be Queen when Prince Charles becomes King. No power, no authority; just lots of pretty clothes and stuff, and everyone will love her.
Praise be to the Holy Spirit for leading you to confess this truth!!
I’m articulating the Catholic position. That does not mean i agree with it.
The devils could not say such a thing. That you were ABLE to say it speaks volumes…it goes all the way to 11!
I’m happy you enjoyed it!!My best to both of you and be sure to thank your gangs. This post is one of the best and i had a hard time not to laugh.
Who knows…one day Rob and I may be famous…and we’ll have you to thank for it!!Hi Honey, **
You are so funny! Stop it, my sides are hurting! You silly goose.
to think i almost missed this statement…
You also know that preachers are eliminated because they aren’t really representatives of Jesus. (except in their own minds!
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What even of the Orthodox prayers!to think i almost missed this statement…
O Mother of Perpetual Help
O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the goods which God grants to us miserable sinners, and for this reason he has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee. Come then, to my help, dearest Mother, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation and to thee do I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, dear Mother, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my Judge himself, because by one prayer from thee he will be appeased. But one thing I fear, that in the hour of temptation I may neglect to call on thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, then, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace always to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help.
THE MEMORARE
“Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help, or sought your intercession was left unaided. Inspired by this confidence I fly unto you, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother. To you do I come; before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in your mercy hear and answer me. Amen”
i’m sure you are familar with these prayers. These prayers are all about her power-authority.
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Yes, who is to say that He has not? Certainly neither you or I is in any position to determine that…and certainly our opinions bear little weight when compared to the writings of the early Church Fathers, right…
That might be possible for “catholics”, but its not applicable to “CATHOLICS”. Grace plays an important part to Catholics…but there is more to it, right?
You’re finally starting to grasp some of the truth!!!
Now, right there is when you lift the lid off the septic tank and do a belly flop into the middle of it. You have been given plenty of proof to support the Church’s position on Mary, you have simply chosen to ignore it. I guess that log in your eye is preventing you from actually seeing whats on your screen…
And yet you give me proof of another of your foibles… I gave you the actual Luke 1:28 and you’ve ignored it. Here it is again:
Yeah,
is right!Love it. (Although shouldn’t that guy be wearing more than just hiking boots and a helmet? This is a Catholic forum, after all.)
Well excuse me for not being St. Alphonsus Ligori.