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Peter_J
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Ms. R. and Ms. J.,
All I can say is I hope you two understand each other, because I just have to throw my hands up (
) in total bewilderment.
- Status
All I can say is I hope you two understand each other, because I just have to throw my hands up (
) in total bewilderment.
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RobGentner
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to think i almost missed this statement…Let’s look at some catholic writings and see if she does indeed have authority(You forgot to put: TO FORGIVE SIN!). Here are a couple for you to chew on:
WELL I AM GLAD YOU DIDN’T! THANKS FOR THE PRAYERS YOU ARE SO KIND! I WILL SAY MY ROSARY FOR YOUR PERSONAL INTENTION TOMORROW.
I chew on the Body of Jesus, as he commanded, not prayers you are so funny! I bet you are sexy also!
O Mother of Perpetual Help
O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the goods which God grants to us miserable sinners, and for this reason he has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee. Come then, to my help, dearest Mother, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation and to thee do I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, dear Mother, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my Judge himself, because by one prayer from thee he will be appeased. But one thing I fear, that in the hour of temptation I may neglect to call on thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, then, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace always to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help.
HAIL MARY ! BUT NO AUTHORITY TO FORGIVE SINS MENTIONED THERE, EINSTINE
THE MEMORARE
"Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help, or sought your intercession was left unaided. Inspired by this confidence I fly unto you, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother. To you do I come; before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in your mercy hear and answer me. Amen"
**SORRY, NO AUTHORITY TO FORGIVE SINS MENTIONED THERE, SWEETHEART **
i’m sure you are familar with these prayers. These prayers are all about her power-authority.
Yes dear, aren’t they wonderful?
The Blessed Virgin Mary, our Sinless Mother, empowerd by God, willing to intercede for us! What a Saint!But you knew that, you silly goose! Now even you also see why all Creation calls Her Blessed! She is so Full of Grace isn’t she?
Now, seriously sweetheart, I am worried. Where did you see “power-authority” to forgive sins in those wonderful prayer? Hey, have you been seeing “other” things again also? Oh, that reminds me. Honey, I almost forgot, just between you and meI won’t tell anyone, I promise!~ Did you take my advise about AA yet? They might help! Really they have people who care! Avail yourself to their help and soon! We need you healthy to help us here. Take your health seriously! :tsktsk:
**Remember to kiss the kids for me. and spank the one that looks the most like you for me , OK?:extrahappy: **
God Bless
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RobGentner
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** Matty Banks: “Can I put Cameron back on the list if he promises not to eat?” -Father of the Bride 1990**Love it. (Although shouldn’t that guy be wearing more than just hiking boots and a helmet? This is a Catholic forum, after all.)
Well excuse me for not being St. Alphonsus Ligori.
**Actually your kindness is kind of like His!**
(Seems like I should throw in something from Father of the Bride or something, but nothing’s really coming to mind.)
**Glad I could help!
**God Bless
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RobGentner
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**Oh Peter Let me explain it to you. We say something true. JA4 twists it, changes it, distorts it and then posts it back. We respond and They do the same trick over again. It is so cute to watch JA4 do those tricks. RobHorn and I think he teaches more catholics their religion than anyone else could!
****Don’t you agree?
****I mean I even had to look in the Bible twice to answer a couple of their questions! When they occxasionally get away from The Blessed Mother and other eeasy things we have to think to remember what the chiurch teaches!v **
**I think we should nominate JA4 as “Poster of the Year”.
****We should even throw a party for Them. As we say here in Texas “Someone bring a Rope”
****Oh, In one post ****JA4 said we can sin all we want!
They said Jesus died for our sins so we don’t have to try and be good anymore! What a relief!
****OH WAIT: YES, Mary can be Sinless and Intercede for us!
****Remember the rules, and you won’t be bewildered any more. Did that help?
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guanophore
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Really? If this is true, then why do you say that you struggle with sin, and will always fall short while you are in the body? Doesn’t that mean you lack faith?
This is getting more complicated all the time! Now there are specific facts! Is there a list?
What if a person never learns the right “facts”?
What if a person is misinformed, and doesn’t have their “facts” straight?
It is kind of frightening for someone’s salvation to be dependent upon the puny human understanding of the ineffible.
Indeed not. What great honor He has shown to His Bride, that He deigns to disclose the secret intentions of His heart.
I don’t see that this ability has anything to do with whatever was written about her. Jesus is the One who taught us to pray “forgive us as we forgive others their trespasses”. If He did not expect us to forgive one another, why would He give us such a prayer?
Actually, ja4, such titles and powers are attributed because of God’s grace, and do not come from human source. It is only God’s grace that we are able at all to mediate His love to the world, be gracious, merciful, and demonstrate the power of the HS in our lives. We are only who we are by the grace of God, and no other way.
Actually, there have been a great many holy priests that have been given titles. St. Joseph also has some fine titles.
However, I think that it would be good if you asked Mary to forgive all the evils that have been spoken about her and against her. By God’s grace, she is indeed merciful and full of compassion. I am sure you will find forgiveness.
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Henning
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Romans 6:6
“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”
Since Mary is sinless, then she didn’t have an ‘old man’ that was crucified with Christ. But she had to have been crucified ‘with’ him… ???
“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”
Since Mary is sinless, then she didn’t have an ‘old man’ that was crucified with Christ. But she had to have been crucified ‘with’ him…
???
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Realcatholicgk
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**So let me get this right. You are fighting against yourself so you can fight against us? Isn’t there a medical term for this condition? **
**I can’t think of any teaching in the Scriptures where this is said. If not based on Scripture then what is it based on? When and where is it first mentioned? Do you have a reference? This claim cannot be sustained by Scripture for the mere fact it does not completely followed the Scripture’s teachings and practices. Do you claim to know and understand what your church teaches perfectly? Do you claim to obey perfectly? Who does this apply to? How are we as individuals to apply this warning to ourselves? Should these people who claim these things be rebuked for doing so? My personal interpretation could be off because i don’t have enough background to understand a particular passage or verse. Could this be an example of Tradition in “action”?
Lets all remember that Mary was Sinless and Intercedes for us. She was assumed up into heaven by her son Jesus.
Transitus sanctae Mariae
The “Pope Gelasian Decree”, nowhere condemned belief in the Assumption as heretical. The ‘TBM’ was not considered a work of divine inspiration. But remember, neither was it demed a heretical work. What was rejected is the authenticity of authorship. This rejection of the ‘TBM’ does not necessarily mean that the Assumption of Mary is untrue. The author could not be verified. The Church is very careful what it provides to be taken as true. The Church also rejected the infancy Gospel of Thomas which describes the Holy Family’s Flight into Egypt, but the rejection of this text does not mean that the flight into Egypt did not happen. Similarily, the non-canonical Gospel of Mary (Magdalen) presents the account of Christ’s Resurrection as an incorporeal vision to the female disciple. The problem with authorship and some theological conflicts with Christian belief compelled the Church to condemn this book as not of divine inspiration. The rejection of this gospel does not mean that the Resurrection did not occur according to orthodox belief.
Anyway, thebottom line, the Gelasian Decree has nothing to do with the Assumption or Mariology. It just concerns a list of canonical versus non-canonical books and also condemning heretics - but not for belief in the Assumption.Read the decree yourself. The other pope’s decree is essentially no different in theme.
Belief in the Assumption can be traced to the earliest days of the Church. A first century work attributed to St. Denis the Aeropagite entitled ‘The Book of Divine Names’ records a funeral panegyric of a so-called Hierotheos. who claimed that the apostles found Mary’s tomb empty after holding a three day vigil there when they wanted to show St. Thomas her body. This text is the result of a legend that had been orally circulated in Palestine after this event supposedly took place. The relative silence which contributed to no written account given by the apostles themselves can partly be explained by the fact that none of them actually witnessed Mary’s Assumption as they did the Resurrection and Ascension of Jesus.
Epiphanius said in 377 A.D.: “Let them search the scriptures. They will not find Mary’s death; they will not find whether she died or did not die; they will not find whether she was buried or was not buried. More than that: John journeyed to Asia, yet nowhere do we read that he took the holy Virgin with him. Rather, scripture is silent [on Mary’s end] because of the extraordinary nature of the prodigy, in order not to shock the minds of men…Neither do I maintain stoutly that she died…Did she die? We do not know. At all events, if she was buried, she had no carnal intercourse…Or she remained alive, since nothing is impossible with God and he can do whatever he desires.” ( ‘Panarion’, haer.78,nn.10-11,23: G.C.S.,37, 461-462;474)
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guanophore
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This is a question that emanates from a carnal (worldly) mindset. It reminds me of the bickering of the Apostles about “who is the greatest”. This is not the mindset of a person who is seeking Christ.
I agree. Mary does have authority. Like all of us, she has whatever authority God gives to her. He has given her plenty of power and authority. Howevre, we all have the same power and authority to forgive the sins that others commit against us.
Col 3:12-13
12 Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassion, kindness, lowliness, meekness, and patience, 13 forbearing one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive."
Mary has the duty, and I would say , the privilege, to forgive those who complain against her. Yes, grace is required to forgive sins, and we all need to mediate that grace to one another.
Oy Vey! Sacraments do not exist in heaven, ja4, only on earth. A Sacrament is a visible sign of heavenly grace. Jesus puts His grace through these physical means because He created us to be sensate beings.
The validity of the Sacrament is not dependent upon the personal holiness (or lack therof) of the minister.
No, ja4, this is not right logic.
Try this. how many legs does a cow have?
For the sake of discussion, lets say you answered “four”.
Now, if I call it’s tail a leg, how many legs does it have now?
If you said “five”, I would not be surprised. However, calling a tail a leg does not make the tail a leg, and your assertion that Mary can give absolution does not make it so.
However, I think that these issues are much too sublime for you. I think it would be much more useful if you would focus on the meaning of baptism. that would help you understand the principles of grace and sin better.
What does it have to do with being Catholic? What does it have to do with the OP? Are you trying to derail the thread?
This statement seems to indicate that your one of your goals here is just to entertain yourself. Seems like a form of mental masturbation, actually. Had you considered doing that privately, instead of in public?
I agree. God does not do things just for show.
Because it doesn’t, and unlike you , we are not disposed to posting lies.
The Marian doctrines are developed from the doctrines on the nature of Christ, that became necessary due to rampant heresies.
The were derived from the Apostolic Tradition. Scripture does support them but is not the source of them. Just as the Scripture, the Sacred Tradition also has it’s Source in God.
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Realcatholicgk
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**Romans 6:6
“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”
Since Mary is sinless, then she didn’t have an ‘old man’ that was crucified with Christ. But she had to have been crucified ‘with’ him…
Hi Henning, :tiphat:
I am sure that what you typed made sense to you when you thought it.
My question is what happened before you typed it onto the screen? Could that be called a brain fart? :whacky:
Six bibles said: Romans 6:6 knowing this, that our old “SELF” (Sorry to correct this but the apostle Paul uses the Greek word palaios for “old,” which refers to "things not merely old, but worn out by use and autist which refers to “self” or “person”. Of the six version only The KJV translated it to “Man” but I can see how it was meant:
Romans 6:6 knowing this, that our old man (self) was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer serve sin" **
**So if, I understand your question::ehh: The answer would seem to be that since Romans was written to and for “sinners”, which Blessed Mary wasn’t, it didn’t apply to her. Since she was sinless and watched her only Son crucified a sword went through her heart!
Her sins (Old self) couldn’t be crucified because she had NO sins to be crucified.
If they say every ones dog is being shot and you don’t own a dog that wouldn’t apply to you would it? **
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Henning
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Howdy
παλαιὸς ἡμῶν ἄνθρωπος / ‘old our anthropos’, usually anthropos is translated ‘man’…but that’s a minor thing ‘old self’/‘old man’
Her sins (Old self) couldn’t be crucified because she had NO sins to be crucified.
So Mary wasn’t crucified with Christ? What to do then with these two verses
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Nope no gas around hereHi Henning, :tiphat:
I am sure that what you typed made sense to you when you thought it.
My question is what happened before you typed it onto the screen? Could that be called a brain fart? :whacky:
my GNT-4 says,
παλαιὸς ἡμῶν ἄνθρωπος / ‘old our anthropos’, usually anthropos is translated ‘man’…but that’s a minor thing ‘old self’/‘old man’
So if, I understand your question::ehh: The answer would seem to be that since Romans was written to and for “sinners”, which Blessed Mary wasn’t, it didn’t apply to her. Since she was sinless and watched her only Son crucified a sword went through her heart!
Her sins (Old self) couldn’t be crucified because she had NO sins to be crucified.
So Mary wasn’t crucified with Christ? What to do then with these two verses
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
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Realcatholicgk
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Howdy
So Mary wasn’t crucified with Christ? What to do then with these two verses
** Hi HenningStick them where the sun wont fade them?
We both know they weren’t referring to her. Same reason as Romans. She was sinless so she was "already with jesus. Didn’t need any special help from Him. His father took care of all that prior to His birth! Remember St Paul wrote those words not The Blessed Mother so why would they have any meaning to her?
She was sinless and she wasn’t a Roman nor a Galatian.
Have you read your bible? In Gal 2:20 St paul said “HE” was cruified with christ. OK Big deal ! :whacky:
Mary didn’t need to be saved from sin. She was Sinless! If you want to play go to a SDA they are much easiler confused.
Now, do you have any “real” questions? :ehh: I would be glad to answer them. otherwise I am busy! :coffeeread: **
Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
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Henning
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Hi Henning Stick them where the sun wont fade them?
We both know they weren’t referring to her.
no I didn’t, sorry
Same reason as Romans. She was sinless so she was "already with jesus. Didn’t need any special help from Him. His father took care of all that prior to His birth! Remember St Paul wrote those words not The Blessed Mother so why would they have any meaning to her?
She was sinless and she wasn’t a Roman nor a Galatian.
Have you read your bible? In Gal 2:20 St paul said “HE” was cruified with christ. OK Big deal !
Mary didn’t need to be saved from sin. She was Sinless! If you ***want to play ***go to a SDA they are much easiler confused.
No, no playing, nor am I attacking. I find myself confused with Marian issues since this is all pretty new to me. A lot of my understanding especially Marian doctrines isn’t lined up with CC yet. So I’m trying to work through it. For example, I didn’t know that big chunks of Romans (all of Romans??) or verses (and chapters) of Galatians didn’t apply to her.
Now, do you have any “real” questions? I would be glad to answer them. otherwise I am busy!
How do I know which verses in NT apply to Mary and which don’t. For example these two verses
Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. I guess these don’t apply to her either:shrug: Is there anything in the CCC or any books that can help me.
(ps you don’t have to answer if you’re busy thanks for your time, H)
We both know they weren’t referring to her.
no I didn’t, sorry
Same reason as Romans. She was sinless so she was "already with jesus. Didn’t need any special help from Him. His father took care of all that prior to His birth! Remember St Paul wrote those words not The Blessed Mother so why would they have any meaning to her?
She was sinless and she wasn’t a Roman nor a Galatian.
Have you read your bible? In Gal 2:20 St paul said “HE” was cruified with christ. OK Big deal !
Mary didn’t need to be saved from sin. She was Sinless! If you ***want to play ***go to a SDA they are much easiler confused.
No, no playing, nor am I attacking. I find myself confused with Marian issues since this is all pretty new to me. A lot of my understanding especially Marian doctrines isn’t lined up with CC yet. So I’m trying to work through it. For example, I didn’t know that big chunks of Romans (all of Romans??) or verses (and chapters) of Galatians didn’t apply to her.
Now, do you have any “real” questions? I would be glad to answer them. otherwise I am busy!
How do I know which verses in NT apply to Mary and which don’t. For example these two verses
Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. I guess these don’t apply to her either:shrug: Is there anything in the CCC or any books that can help me.
(ps you don’t have to answer if you’re busy
thanks for your time, H)
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Good_Fella
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I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself up for me.Romans 6:6
“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”
Since Mary is sinless, then she didn’t have an ‘old man’ that was crucified with Christ. But she had to have been crucified ‘with’ him…
Galatians 2, 20
“My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord.
My spirit rejoices in God my saviour.
For he has looked with favor on his lowly handmaid.
From now all generations shall call me blessed.
The Mighty one has done great things for me,
and holy is his name.”
Luke 1, 46-49
God intervened upon Mary’s conception and redeemed her by the merits of Christ’s Precious Blood with the infusion of his sanctifying grace in her soul. By looking upon his lowly handmaid, God preserved her free from the stain of original sin since Mary was implicated in the sin of Adam and Eve. Christ lived in her as soon as he fashioned her, having chosen Mary to be his mother. Thus Mary was crucified with Christ the moment she was born, and the life she led in the flesh she constantly lived by faith in God. A sinful person does not live her life by faith in God. Adam and Eve sinned by putting their faith in the serpent and accommodating their carnal desires. Jesus acknowledges the true blessedness of his mother whom God put at enmity with the serpent together with her divine Son (Gen 3:15; Lk 1:42).
“Rather blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it.”
Luke 11, 28
“Thou alone and thy Mother are in all things fair; there is no flaw in Thee and no stain in thy Mother.”
Ephraem, Nisibene Hymns, 27:8 [A.D. 370]
PAX :tiphat:
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Realcatholicgk
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Hi Henning **
&c…&c…
No, no playing, nor am I attacking.
OK, I believe you! I will take you at your word!
I find myself confused with Marian issues since this is all pretty new to me. A lot of my understanding especially Marian doctrines isn’t lined up with CC yet.
**What Protestants and even some Catholics don’t realize is that although Mary holds a “special place” in our hearts, even as our own Mothers do, praying or devotion to her is “Not Necessary” for our salvation. We don’t “have to” pray to Her.
It is “OK” not to pray to her. We must **believe certain things, because they are Truths revealed by God. We don’t worship Her. Many Catholics don’t even pray the rosary. I do daily and sometimes several times a day. When you are stuck in traffic, it really helps! Long trips 'fly by" Your whole day seems nicer. I personally normally pray the rosary for the Murdered Children of Abortion, and for their Mothers that now will have to answer to God a hard question; “Why did you not “Protect” the baby I sent to you?”
As I said: Devotion to Mary doesn’t matter for our salvation or membership In the Church. Does any of this surprise you?
So I’m trying to work through it. For example, I didn’t know that big chunks of Romans (all of Romans??) or verses (and chapters) of Galatians didn’t apply to her.
**
So Easy: Nothing dealing with “SIN” applies to her. SHE WAS SINLESS!**
How do I know which verses in NT apply to Mary and which don’t. For example these two verses
Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. I guess these don’t apply to her either:shrug: Is there anything in the CCC or any books that can help me.
** Many things…If you “want” to develop a devotion to Mary pray the HAIL MARY, Start with only one! later tou can repeat if, when you get to 10 you have completed a decade of the Rosary.
There are many things written about Mary. But, why worry about them if you are having" problems with them? Blow them off until you know more! As I said, It isn’t necessary for your salvation to have a devotion to Mary.** Just show “respect” for her under the 4th commandment and because she is GOD’s Mother.
I always have time for serious questions. I will pray for you. I will also watch you for “games”. If you are sincere there is help and friends available. If you are playing : That isn’t nice!
God Bless you!
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Good_Fella
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The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was dogmatically defined in the 19th century by Pope Pius lX partly in response to the widespread opposition to this teaching by modern reformed Protestants who broke from the orthodox teachings of the early Reformers with respect to Mary’s sinlessness. The Holy See wished to avoid any confusion among Catholics in the wake of the modern Protestant challenge. The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception had been explicitly taught by the Church Fathers since the 5th century long before it became dogma. It was not the invention of Pope Pius nor the invention of any single Catholic cleric or theologian. The first recorded implicit teaching of this doctrine is found in the writings of Hyppolytus (ante A.D. 235) which reflects a common universal belief of the Church in Mary’s sinlessness.
It wasn’t until the 5th century that this doctrine was explicitly taught, now that the concept of original sin was resolved after centuries of theological controversy between the east and west. The feast of the Immaculate Conception was established by Pope Sixtus lV on 8 December 1476. Although this doctrine wasn’t defined as dogma until 1854, it nonethless carried the weight of an infallible teaching of the Church by virtue of its universal acceptance through the centuries. Pope Pius lX acknowledged and further articulated the reasons for accepting this doctrine in his dogmatic definition. The scriptures support this 3rd Marian dogma. Pope Pius notably appealed to Genesis 3:15 and Luke 1:28.
For wisdom will not enter into a malicious soul, nor dwell in a body subject to sins.
Wisdom 1, 4
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God:
and the Word was God.
And the Word was made flesh
and dwelt among us.
And we saw his glory,
the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,
full of grace and truth.
John 1, 1,14
PAX :egyptian:
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Henning
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got it, thanks:tiphat:
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Henning
Guest
But it wasn’t her ‘old self/man’ of Rom 6:6 that was crucified. This is from post # 924 by Realcatholicgk, “Her sins (Old self) couldn’t be crucified because she had NO sins to be crucified.” Therefore it was her ‘new self/man’ of Ephesians 4:24 that was crucified…or ??
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guanophore
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No, ja4. Your mind is darkened by unbelief. these prayers are all about God’s grace, working through His mother. God wants His grace to work through all of us. Those who are in Christ have died to themselves, and their lives are hidden with Christ in God. The saints do not seek “power and authority” as you claim. The fact that you see it this way is a commentary on your own world view, which is not consistent with the gospel message.t o think i almost missed this statement…
O Mother of Perpetual Help
O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the goods which God grants to us miserable sinners, and for this reason he has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee. Come then, to my help, dearest Mother, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation and to thee do I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, dear Mother, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my Judge himself, because by one prayer from thee he will be appeased. But one thing I fear, that in the hour of temptation I may neglect to call on thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, then, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace always to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help.
THE MEMORARE
“Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help, or sought your intercession was left unaided. Inspired by this confidence I fly unto you, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother. To you do I come; before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in your mercy hear and answer me. Amen”
i’m sure you are familar with these prayers. These prayers are all about her power-authority.
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Realcatholicgk
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**Hi henning,
How are you Dear?
Reference what Good Fella said **
Good Fella:
Isn’t the fact that Mary “raised” Jesus enough information? Isn’t the Fact that Mary was conceived without sin, lived sinlessly and was assumed into heaven, body and soul enough information? She is now there interceding in our behalf. Isn’t that enough?
There are some church documents indicating she was 63 years of age. That her mother’s name was Anne. That all the apostles were with her when she died. Does that make her any More Blessed? More full of Grace? Good fella was explaining his opinion on what and when it happened. Since it doesn’t “conflict” with the Church’s teaching he is permitted to believe that just as I believe Mary being born sinless is the one person that did not have to be crusified on the cross with Jesus. She was is and always will be SINLESS, so what does it matter?
justasking4:
How are you Dear?
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Good Fella:
What good fella said or rather how he said it is “nice” > But actually no one knows exactly how God’s graces worked and when He did what He did. So good fella’s interpretation isn’t wrong. It doesn’t conflict with the truths about Mary so he is permitted to explain it to himself any way he desires. If his belief was in conflict he would be bound to “change his opinion” to conform with chuirch teachings. Understand? I think your problem is you want every thing explained. like, Mary folded Jesus diaper, from left to right it was 18 inches x 18 inches.She wiped His butt down and to the right!
Isn’t the fact that Mary “raised” Jesus enough information? Isn’t the Fact that Mary was conceived without sin, lived sinlessly and was assumed into heaven, body and soul enough information? She is now there interceding in our behalf. Isn’t that enough?
There are some church documents indicating she was 63 years of age. That her mother’s name was Anne. That all the apostles were with her when she died. Does that make her any More Blessed? More full of Grace? Good fella was explaining his opinion on what and when it happened. Since it doesn’t “conflict” with the Church’s teaching he is permitted to believe that just as I believe Mary being born sinless is the one person that did not have to be crusified on the cross with Jesus. She was is and always will be SINLESS, so what does it matter?
It sure is! Isn’t it GREAT? The Pope is allowed to determine the truth without using a Book. How blessed are we? And He didn’t make a mistake. Praise God for this Gift to His church! Hail Mary full of grace…"
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Not that I believe in everything about the muslims but how can the muslims believe in the God of Abraham and the God of Jesus Christ believes in the God of Abraham and it not be the same God? Ya got me again?
Also Im so dumb today, so Could you just answer me Yes or no. You confuse me so much sometimes, Can a person Fall from grace what is your answer again. Because you said Why would a believer in Christ fear hell if Jesus Paid the price for our sins.
Then you said when I showed you scripture about living wrong that a believer in Christ would not live that way.
You get me so confused by what you say because I know for a fact that the devil believes in Jesus. Because if he didn’t why would he be tempting us every day to get us away from God? Oh ja4 you are going to have to explain so much to me. I am just not a very good student. I must not have been paying attention in Catholic School, either that or Sister was telling me just plain wrong. But my problem is that you either ignore me, or just answer me with another question.
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