Can Mary be Sinless and Intercede for you?

[MDK]

You did not explain WHY your view above is valid. You merely tried to say that you have every reason to believe so just like so many other people here.

Is it necessary to repeat what built up to this point? Please go read the thread and do a little work for yourself. It’s an indication of desire to actually know. If you really ask to know, you’ll go look. If you don’t find it, come back and ask. Please make an effort, though. I really don’t enjoy answering someone who isn’t sincere.

 

[Scientiphic]

Is it necessary to repeat what built up to this point? Please go read the thread and do a little work for yourself. It’s an indication of desire to actually know. If you really ask to know, you’ll go look. If you don’t find it, come back and ask. Please make an effort, though. I really don’t enjoy answering someone who isn’t sincere.

I’m sincere and I’ve gone through them all…but same thing. There’s NOTHING.

 

[rinnie]

I’m sincere and I’ve gone through them all…but same thing. There’s NOTHING.

Then I am afraid there is nothing else anyone can say to you. If you don’t believe what the bible says, which we have repeated we sure as heck can’t convince you.

Why does Jesus call Mary his Mother in the bible, I see nothing about earthly or adopted. Mary is the blood Mother and Earthly Mother and Heavenly Mother of Christ.

Where in the bible does it say that Joseph is not the Father of Christ, everywhere. Jesus say’s My Father, God my Father, I never hear him refer to anyone in the bible as his Mother except Mary. Mary the Mother of Christ.

How do we know that Joseph is not the Father of Christ because the Angel comes to Joseph and say’s Do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, She has found favor with God and she will bring into the world the Savior our savior.

Mary was chosen by God to give birth to Christ. Yes she was and still remained a virgin, How can this be? Thru God. Thru God all things are possible.

The only thing you can do is read the bible, again and again, Find in the bible where Mary has sinned, where she did one thing wrong. I guess that will be the end of you because you will not find it. Mary was the real deal the complete package of what it means to be faithful to God. She never doubted God, never questioned God, Just like her son who was also without Sin totally commited to God from the beginning of his life to the end.

MARY WAS SENT HERE FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY THE SAME AS JESUS TO SAVE SINNERS. HER JOB WAS TO BRING INTO THIS WORLD A PERFECT CHILD, A MAN WHO WOULD SUFFER A HORRIBLE DEATH. AND SHE ALSO SUFFERED IMO WORSE THAN JESUS. SHE WATCHED HER SON KILLED THE WORST WAY POSSIBLE TO BELIEVE. BUT SHE STAYED TRUE TO OUR GOD, SHE OBEYED OUR LORD. SHE TRUSTED GOD. SHE NEVER CURSED GOD, SHE IS A SAINT. SHE IS THE BEST ROLE MODEL POSSIBLE BESIDES HER SON FOR ANYONE TO HAVE. SHE IS NOT ONLY WITHOUT SIN, SHE IS THE MOTHER OF CHRIST AND OUR MOTHER. THE PERFECT MOTHER AND I LOVE AND ADORE HER WITH ALL MY HEART. I AM SORRY YOU CANNOT FEEL THIS GREAT LOVE FOR HER THAT WE ALL HAVE. YOU CAN ONLY PRAY FOR THE GRACE FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT TO OPEN YOUR EYES, FOR IT CAN ONLY COME FROM GOD. WE WILL PRAY FOR YOU, THAT IS ALL WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT. THE REST MUST COME FROM OUR LORD AND SAVIOR.

 

[M0nkey]

You did not explain WHY your view above is valid. You merely tried to say that you have every reason to believe so just like so many other people here.

Because his views are akin to those of the CC. Who has authority given by God over these issues.

 

[placido]

By the way, there’s no such word as Trinity in the bible.

Likewise there’s no such word as Bible in the Bible.

 

[placido]

By your wrestling of those verses, you prove yourself a heretic. I don’t need authority for this. And all who joins you prove themselves heretical.

I already told you, YOU rely on your council and history.

I rely SOLELY on the HOLY BIBLE.

This is funny because others who, like you, claim to rely solely on the Holy Bible, come to a conclusion that differs from yours.

 

[rinnie]

This is funny because others who, like you, claim to rely solely on the Holy Bible, come to a conclusion that differs from yours.

Amen to that. Is that not the truth. Without authority or the Church who do we believe. Makes ya kinda wonder huh why God left us the Church and not a book! I guess God saw this long before any of us could have even imagined.

 

[Scientiphic]

Amen to that. Is that not the truth. Without authority or the Church who do we believe. Makes ya kinda wonder huh why God left us the Church and not a book! I guess God saw this long before any of us could have even imagined.

Correction. God left us His Spirit.

There is only 1 spirit…but anybody could call their community a church.

 

[placido]

Correction. God left us His Spirit.

There is only 1 spirit…but anybody could call their community a church.

Correction: God left us His Church and sent His Spirit to guide His Church. Yes anybody could call their community a church but that does not make their community The Church.

 

[Scientiphic]

Correction: God left us His Church and sent His Spirit to guide His Church. Yes anybody could call their community a church but that does not make their community The Church.

You just said anybody could call their community a church, so what’s to prove that yours is THE church? Just like anybody can call theirs THE church. Afterall, apostle Peter was already long dead 300 years when the Catholic system was established. And Peter certainly never called himself a pope, and neither did he designate NOR relegate such a position downwards.

One can also start another church with disciple Lydia and put some other popees under her as a historical line of popes.

Point is, you can claim this or that…ultimately the only standard we have today is the Holy Bible. Anyone who deviates from that standard immediately disqualifies themselves as followers of Christ, even if you have a whole library of self recorded history behind you.

Otherwise, why would the followers of Christ be even called CHRIST—IANS?

 

[Gamera]

Afterall, apostle Peter was already long dead 300 years when the Catholic system was established.

Uh oh. No, Peter wasn’t “long dead” when the “Catholic system” was established. He was alive and standing in the crowd of believers at Pentecost. If you’d like to discuss it further please feel free to start a separate thread so we don’t derail this one.

 

[placido]

You just said anybody could call their community a church, so what’s to prove that yours is THE church? Just like anybody can call theirs THE church.

Since anybody can call any community a church, the True Church does not exist. The truth does not exist. Is that what who mean? Your relativism is astounding.

Afterall, apostle Peter was already long dead 300 years when the Catholic system was established.

After all, all the Apostles were long dead when the Bible canon was established in the 4th century. And according to your logic, that makes the Bible false.

And Peter certainly never called himself a pope, and neither did he designate NOR relegate such a position downwards.

Then, you must be worried about the fact that the Bible is never called the Bible in the Bible.

Point is, you can claim this or that…ultimately the only standard we have today is the Holy Bible.

Please provide book, chapter and verse for that.

 

[rinnie]

You just said anybody could call their community a church, so what’s to prove that yours is THE church? Just like anybody can call theirs THE church. Afterall, apostle Peter was already long dead 300 years when the Catholic system was established. And Peter certainly never called himself a pope, and neither did he designate NOR relegate such a position downwards.

One can also start another church with disciple Lydia and put some other popees under her as a historical line of popes.

Point is, you can claim this or that…ultimately the only standard we have today is the Holy Bible. Anyone who deviates from that standard immediately disqualifies themselves as followers of Christ, even if you have a whole library of self recorded history behind you.

Otherwise, why would the followers of Christ be even called CHRIST—IANS?

That is an easy one, And you did bring up a very good point. In order for you to have the true Church it must have the 4 marks.

The church is one, The Church is Holy, The Church is Apostolic The Church is Catholic. If your Church has all of the above you have the true Church.

 

[rinnie]

You are also wrong about Peter. Peter started the Catholic Church.

881ccc quote: The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter the rock of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him sheperd of the whole flock. The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of apostles united to its head. This Pastoral office of Peter and the other apostles belongs to the Churchs very foundation and is continued by the bishops under the primacy of the Pope.unquote

 

[Hislittlelady]

Mannyfit75;4285692 We do read the Bible and it is not too late. We read the Bible on its full context, and Mary is sinless because God made her to be sinless so she can worthily become the Mother of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, or Mother of God.

:twocents: Manny, Your explanation here is one of the best I’ve seen. Everything you say here about our Blessed Mother, not only glorifies the Lord more, but also magnifies the role Mary played in the coming of the Savior.

I agree with you. She was sinless because God made it that way. Why in heaven’s name would anyone, regardless of personal belief, come to think that Jesus Christ would be born in a vessel of sin? That confounds me. Jesus, the Word made flesh, and in Jesus, born of Mary, The Divine was within Him as well, so He came forth from a sinless vessel. What more need be said then this? If I were Protestant I’d believe this very same truth.

:dts: I can’t even imagine why this should be a question up for a debate.

O GOD, Who, by the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin, didst
prepare a worthy habitation for Thy Son, we beseech Thee, that as by the foreseen death of that same Son, Thou didst preserve her from all stain, so too thou wouldst permit us, purified through her intercession, to come unto Thee. Through the same Christ our Lord. Amen.

This sure doesn’t look like a prayer of worship to me, other then a prayer to God the Father.

 

[davidv]

You are also wrong about Peter. Peter started the Catholic Church.

881ccc quote: The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter the rock of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him sheperd of the whole flock. The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of apostles united to its head. This Pastoral office of Peter and the other apostles belongs to the Churchs very foundation and is continued by the bishops under the primacy of the Pope.unquote

Yes Christ made Peter the rock, but Peter did not start the Church. Christ did.

 

[neweyes]

Mary is sinless because God made her to be sinless so she can worthily become the Mother of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, or Mother of God.

Mary was a human being, chosen by God for His reasons and not ours. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that she was sinless! This notion was made up by humans who desire to make sense of God’s ways.
God can and does choose sinners to do many things in His name.

 

[rinnie]

Yes Christ made Peter the rock, but Peter did not start the Church. Christ did.

Well okay you kinda got me there. But lets just say Christ picked Peter to be the one to get the Church started. Okay? Will that work?

 

[adrift]

Mary was a human being, chosen by God for His reasons and not ours. Nowhere in Scripture does it say that she was sinless! This notion was made up by humans who desire to make sense of God’s ways.
God can and does choose sinners to do many things in His name.

Are you saying that the Angel Gabriel did not say Hail Full of Grace?

 

[jmcrae]

Are you saying that the Angel Gabriel did not say Hail Full of Grace?

It’s been a while since I left - have Protestants already taken Luke 1:28 out of their Bibles?