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Peter_J
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Hold on a sec. Do you mean that you read my post – with the bold face and caps – and you’re still not convinced?
Inconceivable!
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Inconceivable!
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Gamera
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You misunderstood me. Let me try again with improved graphics.
So since the Scriptures don’t command or teach THIS:
… then we shouldn’t do it. Meaning, since the Scriptures don’t command or teach the principle of sola scriptura, we shouldn’t obey the principle of sola scriptura.
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RobGentner
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No. There is no place in the NT where it is said we need someone between us and Christ. We have direct access to Him. Ephesians 3:11-12 is a good place to look in our relationship with Him— 11 This was in accordance with the eternal purpose which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord,
There is no place in the NT it says everything is contained in the NT! You don’t have direct access to Christ! You have to be one of His sheep for Him to recognize youl You insult His mother, I am not sure, but He may be angry at you!
12 **in whom we have boldness and confident access **through faith in Him. Hebrews 4:14-16-- 14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.
15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.
16 Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Couple this with Jesus command to ask in His name and we are taught by the Scriptures that we do have direct access to Him.
True: So let me Pray with you:
Jesus, forgive me my blindness to your Wonedful Mother. May your mercy and love drive this evil from my heart and fill it with love for the Blessed Mother. May my love for her match yours. Thank you for allowing me to finally know the truth! Forgive me my foolishness. Amen
There feel better?
We do not need Mary or any saint to act as some kind of middle man.
Nope we don’t but it is nice to have her on our side!
For the mere fact the Scriptures always direct us directly to God. Never are we to pray to a person who has died.
Was that written in the bible? I remember it saying Jesus died? He is still alive, all the Saints are alive also. This includes His mother.
Its not disdain but what is the truth. If the Scriptures don’t command it or teach it we should not do it.
The bible isn’t the Sole source the CC is! The bible is one of our sources to tell everyone what we should do or not do. Honor YOUR Father and Mother.Jesus gave the church his Mother! That is in the Bible so Follow it!
We know without a doubt that Christ alone is our Great High Priest Who intercedes for us. There is no other way.
Do you think He is talking to you again? They are only voices, not necessary His. He would say Love My mother as I love you!
God Bless,
How are you guys? We don’t see you much any more. Busy changing bible verses?
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justasking4
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The topic is not the Great Doctrine of SOLA SCRIPURA but is Can Mary be Sinless and Intercede for you? The Scriptures as you may know never command nor teach such a thing…
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Good_Fella
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Genesis 3:15; Luke 1: 28
Scripture must be interpreted in light of the Apostolic Tradition of the Catholic Church. Peter, Paul, and the Church Fathers make this clear. Your private interpretation of Scripture is invalid and erroneous.
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rinnie
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When it comes to scripture and understanding the word of Christ yes. Because Jesus promised us that. He told his Apostles I am sending you the Advocate the Holy Spirit. By sending the Holy Spirit to them they have the gift and understanding of scripture in a way we can never understand. Jesus promised his Apostles I WILL GIVE YOU THE WORDS. So yes I believe when it comes to scripture the Church does teach without error.
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rinnie
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Actually that is really the point they do. The problem is and always seems to come back to sola scripura though because only the CHURCH has both written and oral teachings. And Jesus left us the Church, not the Scriptures. Again the Church was here long long before the bible. Without the Church there would be no bible. And all is not written in the bible. and the oral teachings were passed down,and still are today. That really is the point, and the reason for this thread. We believe in the oral teachings also. There is no difference between oral and written teachings they all are the truth and came from God. But the big difference is only the CHurch has them.
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jmcrae
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She is also mentioned quite frequently in the writings of the Fathers, where her title is “the New Eve” who unties the knot that Eve had tied.
Now, if someone is “the New Eve,” I think that tells us that Mary’s creation was unique, just like Eve’s was. And if we hear that she untied the knot that Eve had tied, then doesn’t that mean that Mary said “No” where Eve said “Yes”? Doesn’t that tell us that where Eve chose sin, Mary chose grace? Isn’t this confirmed in the words of the Angel, who salutes her with the title “Full of Grace”?
These works (unlike the Protoevangelium of James) are not of dubious value - indeed, they were the very measuring rod that was used to determine what is the Scripture.
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RobGentner
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Hi Justasking4,:tiphat:
Many things are allowed that are not commanded nor taught by scriptures, like your Jello on the wailing wall theory of Christ’s crucifixion.
That really is your own opinion.:dancing: The Blessed Mother being sinless and able to intercede for us is taught by her Son’s true church.
So unlike your jello theroy :whacky: , it must be true! 
Later
God Bless
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janw
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For those that don’t believe Mary is sinless, have you read The Early Church Fathers or The four witness?
po18guy
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And as you know, scripture is incomplete. The bible tells you so. This is the source of your confusion.
po18guy
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The many users who all collectively claim to be Justasking4, have each been told God’s revealed truth numerous times. They refuse to recognize it. Should we, the Church, then treat them as gentiles or tax collectors?
Matthew 18:15-17 “If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.”
Now,we know that Jesus did not waste words. About whom was He speaking here? Those who persist in error?
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RobGentner
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In Texas, we have a saying that applies! “Someone go get a rope!”
And I say that with Christian love!
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justasking4
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Has your church infallibly interpreted these verses to mean what you claim? If so, where? If not then you are guilty of the same thing you accuse me of----“your private interpretation of Scripture”. Hopefully you are not doing that…
po18guy
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This appears to be yet another less-than-intelligent question, since you categorically reject the authority of the Church. You tear the bible away from the authority that canonized it, then claim confusion about the teachings of that very same church.Has your church infallibly interpreted these verses to mean what you claim? If so, where? If not then you are guilty of the same thing you accuse me of----“your private interpretation of Scripture”. Hopefully you are not doing that…
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justasking4
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Are you saying this is interpetation above is “God’s revealed truth”?
po18guy
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First, edit your question as it makes no sense. Scripture makes sense only if you are Christian and not heretic. If you are heretic, you walk in darkness, which is revealed a hundredfold by repetitive questions.
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justasking4
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like your Jello on the wailing wall theory of Christ’s crucifixion.
What do you think of these quotes about Mary below:
"We see this power even in her very name. Richard of St. Laurence states: "There is not such powerful help in any name, nor is there any other name given to men, after that of Jesus, from which so much salvation is poured forth upon men as from the name of Mary. The devout invocation of this sweet and holy name leads to the acquisition of superabundant graces in this life, and a very high degree of glory in the next." That is the power of her name!"
"Thomas a Kempis, author of the Imitation of Christ, tells us “that **the devils fear the Queen of Heaven to such a degree, that only on hearing her great name pronounced, they fly from him who does so as from a burning fire.” **Our Lady herself confirmed this when she revealed to St. Bridget “that there is not on earth a sinner, however devoid he may be of the love of God, from whom the devil is not obliged immediately to fly, if he invokes her holy name with a determination to repent." On another occasion she again told St. Bridget, that all the devils venerate and fear her name to such a degree, that on hearing it they immediately loosen the claws with which they hold the soul captive. It is in the same way as the rebel angels fly from sinners who invoke the name of Mary, so also do the good angels approach nearer to just souls who pronounce her name with devotion. Think of the joy you give the holy angels every time you say the holy name of Mary!”
You can find this article at this link: unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/DoorOurLady’sPower.html
As you can see this is another rich source about Mary that we need to discuss.
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justasking4
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Augustine thought she had sinned:
"Augustine Bishop of Hippo “Whatever flesh of sin Jesus took, He took of the flesh of the sin of his mother. Jesus did not partake of sin, but took of his mother, which came under the judgment of sin.”
Augustine “ He, Christ alone, being made man but remaining God never had any sin, nor did he take of the flesh of sin. Though He took flesh of the sin of his mother.”
Pope Leo 1 (440 a.d.) “The Lord Jesus Christ alone among the sons of men was born immaculate”(sermon 24 in Nativ. Dom.).
.N.D. Kelly comments:
“Origen insisted that, like all human beings, she [Mary] needed redemption from her sins; in particular, he interpreted Simeon’s prophecy (Luke 2, 35) that a sword would pierce her soul as confirming that she had been invaded with doubts when she saw her Son crucified.” (Early Christian Doctrines [San Francisco, California: HarperCollins Publishers, 1978], p. 493)"
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adstrinity
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Reminder for when I get on a computer: correct posts 289, 315, and 316.
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