Can Mary be Sinless and Intercede for you?

[jmcrae]

If not commanded or taught they would be the teachings of men. Correct?

What do you think of these quotes about Mary below:

"We see this power even in her very name. Richard of St. Laurence states: "There is not such powerful help in any name, nor is there any other name given to men, after that of Jesus, from which so much salvation is poured forth upon men as from the name of Mary. The devout invocation of this sweet and holy name leads to the acquisition of superabundant graces in this life, and a very high degree of glory in the next." That is the power of her name!"

"Thomas a Kempis, author of the Imitation of Christ, tells us “that **the devils fear the Queen of Heaven to such a degree, that only on hearing her great name pronounced, they fly from him who does so as from a burning fire.” **Our Lady herself confirmed this when she revealed to St. Bridget “that there is not on earth a sinner, however devoid he may be of the love of God, from whom the devil is not obliged immediately to fly, if he invokes her holy name with a determination to repent." On another occasion she again told St. Bridget, that all the devils venerate and fear her name to such a degree, that on hearing it they immediately loosen the claws with which they hold the soul captive. It is in the same way as the rebel angels fly from sinners who invoke the name of Mary, so also do the good angels approach nearer to just souls who pronounce her name with devotion. Think of the joy you give the holy angels every time you say the holy name of Mary!”

You can find this article at this link: unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/DoorOurLady’sPower.html

As you can see this is another rich source about Mary that we need to discuss.

I don’t see anything wrong with them. All true, as far as I know, and my personal experience is that the Hail Mary, in fact, causes the Devil to flee.

 

[justasking4]

jmcrae;4345847]
Originally Posted by justasking4
If not commanded or taught they would be the teachings of men. Correct?

What do you think of these quotes about Mary below:

“We see this power even in her very name. Richard of St. Laurence states: “There is not such powerful help in any name, nor is there any other name given to men, after that of Jesus, from which so much salvation is poured forth upon men as from the name of Mary. The devout invocation of this sweet and holy name leads to the acquisition of superabundant graces in this life, and a very high degree of glory in the next.” That is the power of her name!”

“Thomas a Kempis, author of the Imitation of Christ, tells us “that the devils fear the Queen of Heaven to such a degree, that only on hearing her great name pronounced, they fly from him who does so as from a burning fire.” Our Lady herself confirmed this when she revealed to St. Bridget “that there is not on earth a sinner, however devoid he may be of the love of God, from whom the devil is not obliged immediately to fly, if he invokes her holy name with a determination to repent.” On another occasion she again told St. Bridget, that all the devils venerate and fear her name to such a degree, that on hearing it they immediately loosen the claws with which they hold the soul captive. It is in the same way as the rebel angels fly from sinners who invoke the name of Mary, so also do the good angels approach nearer to just souls who pronounce her name with devotion. Think of the joy you give the holy angels every time you say the holy name of Mary!”

You can find this article at this link: Chapter Four

As you can see this is another rich source about Mary that we need to discuss.

jmcrae;
I don’t see anything wrong with them. All true, as far as I know,

On what basis do you base your belief these are true things about Mary? The Scriptures (which is all we really know of her) never mention this kind of thing. Secondly these kinds of things were unknown by the church for centuries.

and my personal experience is that the Hail Mary, in fact, causes the Devil to flee.

Personal expierence is not a criteria for truth no matter how convincing we may find it.

 

[RobHom]

Personal expierence is not a criteria for truth no matter how convincing we may find it.

So, in other words…If Christ Himself, in the flesh was to appear before you as He did in front of the Apostles…showed you His wounds, and performed miracles in front of you…and He told you that you have had it all wrong…you would “automatically” discount your “personal experience” as not being being valid criteria for “truth” no matter how convincing Christ was???

Frankly my friend…it sounds as if you have an aggressively pernicious form of “myopia”.

 

[justasking4]

Originally Posted by justasking4
Personal expierence is not a criteria for truth no matter how convincing we may find it.

RobHom
So, in other words…If Christ Himself, in the flesh was to appear before you as He did in front of the Apostles…showed you His wounds, and performed miracles in front of you…and He told you that you have had it all wrong…you would “automatically” discount your “personal experience” as not being being valid criteria for “truth” no matter how convincing Christ was???

Frankly my friend…it sounds as if you have an aggressively pernicious form of “myopia”.

If you expierence what you describe above and that “being” tells you something contrary to the Scriptures or not taught then they are false. A few passages bear this out:
Matthew 24:23-26:
23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him.
24 “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
25 “Behold, I have told you in advance.
26 “So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

I John 4:1-3
4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

 

[po18guy]

So, in other words…If Christ Himself, in the flesh was to appear before you as He did in front of the Apostles…showed you His wounds, and performed miracles in front of you…and He told you that you have had it all wrong…you would “automatically” discount your “personal experience” as not being being valid criteria for “truth” no matter how convincing Christ was???

Frankly my friend…it sounds as if you have an aggressively pernicious form of “myopia”.

Darkness! All of the justasking4s (they are legion?!?) are stumbling in darkness.

They do not know what the Apostle John, in his last years, exhorted the believers to do as he was carried to and from Church meetings on his mat. They will will never know, because they have illicitly torn scripture away from the Church authority which canonized it. What John said is in tradition, but not scripture.

Blind leaders of the blind.

 

[po18guy]

DANGEROUS PRIVATE INTERPRETATION ALERT!!!

If you expierence what you describe above and that “being” tells you something contrary to the Scriptures or not taught then they are false. A few passages bear this out:
Matthew 24:23-26:
23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him.
24 “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
25 “Behold, I have told you in advance.
26 “So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

I John 4:1-3
4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

 

[Gamera]

If you expierence what you describe above and that “being” tells you something contrary to the Scriptures or not taught then they are false. A few passages bear this out:
Matthew 24:23-26:
23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him.
24 “For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
25 “Behold, I have told you in advance.
26 “So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

I John 4:1-3
4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

You changed it. Scripture tells us to distrust any apparition which contradicts God’s word (not just the Bible). But you said to distrust any spirit which says “something contrary to the Scriptures or not taught.” You added “or not taught.” No verse you quote contains “or not taught.”

Catholics agree that no trustworthy apparition would ever contradict the Bible. But where do you get the idea that no trustworthy apparition would ever say anything “not taught” in the Bible?

 

[RobHom]

If you expierence what you describe above and that “being” tells you something contrary to the Scriptures or not taught then they are false.

Did you happen to bother to actually read my question…or just read a few words and start leaping off that cliff at the summit of the mountain called “Conclusions”?

I said:

***So, in other words…If Christ Himself, in the flesh was to appear before you as He did in front of the Apostles…showed you His wounds, and performed miracles in front of you…and He told you that you have had it all wrong…you would “automatically” discount your “personal experience” as not being being valid criteria for “truth” no matter how convincing Christ was???

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Where, within that question is there any mention of “scriptures”…or anything relative to scriptures???

Thank you for proving my point regarding your pernicious myopia.

Face it…YOU would deny Christ.

 

[justasking4]

po18guy;4346023]DANGEROUS PRIVATE INTERPRETATION ALERT!!!

How would you know unless you also are “PRIVATELY INTERPRETATING”.

 

[justasking4]

RobHom;4346045]Did you happen to bother to actually read my question…or just read a few words and start leaping off that cliff at the summit of the mountain called “Conclusions”?

I said:

***So, in other words…If Christ Himself, in the flesh was to appear before you as He did in front of the Apostles…showed you His wounds, and performed miracles in front of you…and He told you that you have had it all wrong…you would “automatically” discount your “personal experience” as not being being valid criteria for “truth” no matter how convincing Christ was???

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Where, within that question is there any mention of “scriptures”…or anything relative to scriptures???

You mentioned in your statement that “He told you that you have had it all wrong” and responed with a biblical answer with Scripture and demonstrated that even if a spirit appeared to you that claimed to be Christ you would be well advised to remember these warnings from Scripture.

Thank you for proving my point regarding your pernicious myopia.

Face it…YOU would deny Christ.

If the “Christ” denied the Scriptures i would reject it as some kind of demon.

 

[RobHom]

Darkness! All of the justasking4s (they are legion?!?) are stumbling in darkness.

Yes they are…sadly.

They do not know what the Apostle John, in his last years, exhorted the believers to do as he was carried to and from Church meetings on his mat. They will will never know, because they have illicitly torn scripture away from the Church authority which canonized it. What John said is in tradition, but not scripture.

Because they refuse to accept “Truth” as it is…its a form of myopia that is horrifically pernicious…

Blind leaders of the blind.

Yes they are…

 

[Gamera]

You mentioned in your statement that “He told you that you have had it all wrong” and responed with a biblical answer with Scripture and demonstrated that even if a spirit appeared to you that claimed to be Christ you would be well advised to remember these warnings from Scripture.

If the “Christ” denied the Scriptures i would reject it as some kind of demon.

He wasn’t talking about an apparition denying the Scriptures. He was talking about an apparition denying your own interpretations of Scripture.

 

[RobHom]

You mentioned in your statement that “He told you that you have had it all wrong” and responed with a biblical answer with Scripture and demonstrated that even if a spirit appeared to you that claimed to be Christ you would be well advised to remember these warnings from Scripture.

Forbid you should ever answer a question without “obfuscation”.

If the “Christ” denied the Scriptures i would reject it as some kind of demon.

Did you again not bother to read the question… there was no mention of scriptures in any way shape or form.

Just so you know…pernicious myopia is not fatal, but it is pernicious…and without help it becomes a tragic handicap.

 

[justasking4]

RobHom;4346063]
Originally Posted by po18guy
Darkness! All of the justasking4s (they are legion?!?) are stumbling in darkness.

RobHom;
Yes they are…sadly.

Quoteo18guy
They do not know what the Apostle John, in his last years, exhorted the believers to do as he was carried to and from Church meetings on his mat. They will will never know, because they have illicitly torn scripture away from the Church authority which canonized it. What John said is in tradition, but not scripture.

RobHom;
Because they refuse to accept “Truth” as it is…its a form of myopia that is horrifically pernicious…

Quoteo18guy
Blind leaders of the blind.

RobHom;
Yes they are…

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[RobHom]

He wasn’t talking about an apparition denying the Scriptures. He was talking about an apparition denying your own interpretations of Scripture.

Actually I was talking about Christ actually coming and appearing before “justasking4” in the “flesh”…no apparitions.

But you did get the point… I think “justasking4” did too, but now we’re seeing their “truth” in the matter…

 

[RobHom]

How would you know unless you also are “PRIVATELY INTERPRETATING”.

That’s an easy one to answer: You and those akin to you believe that “anyone” can interpret the scriptures. So, given that factoid, its easy enough to arrive at the answer.

Or are you saying that his “interpretation” was more accurate than yours?

 

[justasking4]

Originally Posted by justasking4
How would you know unless you also are “PRIVATELY INTERPRETATING”.

RobHom
That’s an easy one to answer: You and those akin to you believe that “anyone” can interpret the scriptures. So, given that factoid, its easy enough to arrive at the answer.

Or are you saying that his “interpretation” was more accurate than yours?

We would have to know the correct interpretation to know that. What do you think?

 

[justasking4]

RobHom;4346102] Actually I was talking about Christ actually coming and appearing before “justasking4” in the “flesh”…no apparitions.

How would you know if Christ Himself appeared to you since you have never met Him in the flesh?

But you did get the point… I think “justasking4” did too, but now we’re seeing their “truth” in the matter…

 

[RobHom]

We would have to know the correct interpretation to know that. What do you think?

So then you are “assuming” that you “know” the correct interpretation?

Asking me a question won’t help you.

 

[jmcrae]

How would you know if Christ Himself appeared to you since you have never met Him in the flesh?

The clouds of adoring Angels might be one give-away.