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justasking4
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Do you think that the Apostles believed that Mary was immaculately concieved and was to be prayed to?
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jmcrae
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Yes.
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Gamera
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No, the Scriptures aren’t the only teachings of the Apostles that we have. We also have Apostolic Tradition.
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Gamera
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Yep. Now you’ve got it. Everything within the deposit of faith is in either Scripture or in the Apostolic Tradition (most is in both).
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justasking4
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Even though there is not one verse in the entire NT to support this. Correct?Originally Posted by justasking4
Do you think that the Apostles believed that Mary was immaculately concieved and was to be prayed to?
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Yes.
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jmcrae
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Actually, there is a great deal in the New Testament that supports it, but it’s kind of like the Trinity, or the Hypostatic Union - you have to already know it’s there before you can really “see” it clearly - which is why the Holy Tradition is so important - it shows us what we’re supposed to be looking for.
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justasking4
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We can find many verses to support the Trinity. I can’t think of one verse of anyone praying directly to Mary in the NT. Can you?
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jmcrae
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Have you ever attempted to explain the Trinity to a member of the Seventh Day Adventists or the Oneness Pentecostals? I invite you to try it - you will feel much as I feel right now, trying to explain about Mary.
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Gamera
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This particular example poses trouble because Catholics see Luke 1:28 (Gabriel’s greeting to Mary as kercharitomene or “full of grace”) as supporting the Immaculate Conception. But if you’ll permit me to switch examples – say, to baptism by pouring – then yes, even though there is not one verse in the entire New Testament to support baptism by pouring, we still accept it as God’s word because it was part of the Apostles’ preaching, and their preaching constituted God’s word (1 Thes 2:13).
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Peter_J
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Hi JA,
I think a good example is the question of which bible verses are meant literally, and which are not. (“This is my body” was meant literally, but Jesus isn’t a literal, physical door. As we been discussing on another thread.)
I think a good example is the question of which bible verses are meant literally, and which are not. (“This is my body” was meant literally, but Jesus isn’t a literal, physical door. As we been discussing on another thread.)
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justasking4
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Would you agree that context and knowing the kind of genre can help us understand how to interpret i…e literal or metaphorically?
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jmcrae
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And how would we know which genre it’s meant to be, without some kind of reliable tradition that tells us?
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RobGentner
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JA4 Excellent point! Oh, Can you help me?
I misplaced the list of the verses where anyone prayed directly to Jesus in the NT could you list them for me!
You know how some of these people are here. If it isn’t in the bible they stupidly think it isn’t true!
Thanks, old Buddy.
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Peter_J
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Yes.
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RobGentner
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Hi JA4T1T, :tiphat: How are you dear?
Not sure what you are saying.
Can you clarify?Oh, I asked if you could help me? Remember? As I mentioned, I misplaced the list of the verses stating where anyone prayed directly to Jesus in the NT .
I asked you to list them for me! Did you forget? Don’t worry: I will ask again.
Also about the Jello you have been nailing on all the walls, what does that mean again?
I think you said it had something to do with your religious beliefs?
You know how some of these people are here. If it isn’t in the bible they stupidly think it isn’t true! :dancing:
Thanks, old Buddy. Tell the rest of you Hi for me!
Kisses! :flowers:
Oh you sure wrote some interesting posts today!:yawn:
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Good_Fella
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Do you think that the prophet Isaiah was consciously aware of foretelling the coming of a Divine Messiah? It is the Holy Spirit who speaks through his prophets and apostles to the Catholic Church. And it is through the Church that the Paraclete interprets for us the true meaning of the written word handed down.
Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the Holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.
2 Peter 1, 20
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justasking4
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Where is the work in the church where Paraclete interprets for us the true meaning of the written word handed down?
How has the church offically interperted this passage?PAX
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justasking4
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Acts 1:24 is a direct prayer to the Lord Jesus. How about a prayer in the NT directly to Mary?Hi JA4T1T, :tiphat: How are you dear?
Not sure what you are saying.
Oh, I asked if you could help me? Remember? As I mentioned, I misplaced the list of the verses stating where anyone prayed directly to Jesus in the NT .
I asked you to list them for me! Did you forget? Don’t worry: I will ask again.
Also about the Jello you have been nailing on all the walls, what does that mean again?
You know how some of these people are here. If it isn’t in the bible they stupidly think it isn’t true! :dancing:
Thanks, old Buddy. Tell the rest of you Hi for me!
Kisses! :flowers:
Oh you sure wrote some interesting posts today!:yawn:
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jmcrae
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Luke 1:28
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justasking4
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Not so. The context is the meeting of the angel with Mary. Its not a prayer from the angel to Mary.Luke 1:28
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