Can my parents take away a scholarship opportunity?

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I am fairly certain that my parents fear is not due to anything I have done personally. However in the past 10 years, my parents have had siblings and close friends leave the faith. This has really put them on edge in regards to their children.
I understand their concern. Yet, it would be the same if they told you that you could not drive a car because someone they know has had a serious accident. Or, you cannot even go to college because someone they know fell out of a dorm window and died. I mean, as difficult as it might be to TRUST a child, we as parents have to let go at some point. Just because we ourselves have had negative experiences, does not mean that our children will go through the same thing. Your parents are anticipating disaster, borrowing trouble, however you want to term it. Projecting a negative outcome onto you because of what they have been through. Maybe they should be spending their time and energy working on getting those people back into the Church instead of trying to put a fence around you so that you don’t leave. In preventing you from widening your scope just a little, they don’t understand that they are in fact, pushing you away and leaving a sour taste in your mouth. More likely that they will actually help create what they so dread.
 
I haven’t done a good job of showing it in my posts, but I am trying to find a way out of this situation without causing significant grief to my parents. I would like the choice of a college to be a team effort with them, but this is not their way. So finding a solution that causes neither myself nor my parents major grief is quite a challenge.

Several people have commented that I need to discuss the matter with a trusted adult. I argee. The problem is that once I do that, there is little question in my mind that the trusted adult will bring the issue to my parents. And then the fireworks begin.
Not a way out of it, but a way through it. You are unlikely to gain independence from someone not ready to give it to you without some push-back. There is going to be at least some grief, no matter what you do. The idea is not to avoid any fireworks, but to go through the minimum amount of fireworks in the safest way you can find. You’re going to have to hang on and ride through some fireworks with some amount of calm, though. If all three of you go off, this could really be more of a mess than it has to be.

If you tell your pastor that you need to talk to someone who can assure you that they will keep your confidence, he’ll do that for you. Most teachers and school counselors will, too, if all you are doing is asking to communicate with your parents directly about your own future rather than asking them to hide dangerous behavior. That is because they’ve learned that if they get a reputation for blowing the whistle they will lose all credibility with the student body. If you get that assurance before the conversation starts (assuring the adult in advance that you are not talking about asking them to hide illegal or immoral behavior), you have good reason to expect that your wishes will be respected.

If you have talked to the counselor, for instance, you’ll be able to say, “Listen, I spent all this time with Mr. X looking for a Catholic university that will work as well, and we couldn’t find one. I have an unusual major, and there are only so many universities of any kind that really have outstanding programs. Add on that University Y is offering a scholarship that I have a good chance of winning, and I think gives us a good reason to look into whether their Newman Center and other programs can make up for their not being a Catholic university.”

Most of all, do not act as if your faith means nothing to you. Did you know that if ex-Catholics were a denomination, they’d be the second-largest single denomination in the United States, second only to the Catholic Church itself? You ought to validate their concern that many Catholics your age leave the faith in college and never come back, because it is well-founded. Work with them in looking for a university that will support your continued spiritual growth, rather than undermining it.
 
My husband and I have saved over the years, and our sons are both in state universities. We are paying their “full ride” scholarship. Ha ha. But we are not determining their majors, nor would we have told them they couldn’t attend the school of their choice. In fact, the school our oldest attends is the rival school of my husband’s alma mater, which stung him a little bit. But he realized that the rival school is the right place for our son. He isn’t 100% a supporter of the school, but he did relinquish that decision to our son.

That son is now seeking a job, and of course we have tons of helpful advice for him. He doesn’t really want our advice. If we wanted to play hardball, we could tell him we will cut him off from our support unless he takes our advice and follows our dictates. But why? This is HIS life, and HIS decisions will shape HIS life. It’s not our life to live, as frustrating as that may be. He’s 21 and a man, even though we will probably always see him as our little 10-year-old child. :o This is the tightrope parents walk, when children grow up.

Unfortunately, not a few parents do hold money over their childrens’ heads. “Do as I say, or lose your support/inheritance.” I am not sure that is what your parents are doing, but you are right to ask that question. The answer is, “It never ends.” Some parents try to control their children from beyond the grave. 😦
My parents did the same as you and we turned out fine. I was a bit worried when I had to change my choice of transfer school because I found out my first choice was hostile to disability services and I would have spent more time just trying to function on campus and not studying. I worried because it would cost more and perhaps take more time. But I discussed my worries with them and they fully supported my decision and I had to do what was best for ME. In the end, they paid for maybe 1 year of tuition in all, even though my housing costs due to my disability were more than my tuition. My parents might end up with all of us graduating from the same school, definitely not planned!

Cat, I don’t believe it is fair to deem him immature for crying. This is clearly an emotional and anxiety-inducing issue and some people just cry when overwhelmed, myself one of them. I cried so many times when I almost decided to give up on attending the school I ended up graduating from because they tried to force me to take classes I cannot in any manner do because of my disability (P.E. classes totally unrelated to my major). And I had my parents’ full support during these three months when I had to go up against school officials.

Brad, I think you do need a trusted adult to help you through this. But first see if you get the scholarship as it is very tough to get these. I was in the running for a full-tuition transfer scholarship solely based on GPA. I had a perfect 4.0, and only received a scholarship worth a forth of that. So nothing is ever guaranteed.
 
I get the impression that when anyone challenges you, you go into “drama” mode and talk hyperbolic sarcasm and run off to your room and cry. This is not convincing me (or your parents) that you are “mature.” Mature people do not have an “all or nothing” approach to life. They think things over, discuss, and make compromises. They accept it gracefully when things don’t go their way.
I don’t think this is a fair characterization at all. I can well imagine an extremely bright, mature student who has been accepted to the elite school on which he has his heart set, and to which he may receive a considerable scholarship, being upset to the point of tears to discover his parents won’t consider the idea. I think that this would be a perfectly understandable reaction.
 
Not a way out of it, but a way through it. You are unlikely to gain independence from someone not ready to give it to you without some push-back. There is going to be at least some grief, no matter what you do. The idea is not to avoid any fireworks, but to go through the minimum amount of fireworks in the safest way you can find. You’re going to have to hang on and ride through some fireworks with some amount of calm, though. If all three of you go off, this could really be more of a mess than it has to be.

If you tell your pastor that you need to talk to someone who can assure you that they will keep your confidence, he’ll do that for you. Most teachers and school counselors will, too, if all you are doing is asking to communicate with your parents directly about your own future rather than asking them to hide dangerous behavior. That is because they’ve learned that if they get a reputation for blowing the whistle they will lose all credibility with the student body. If you get that assurance before the conversation starts (assuring the adult in advance that you are not talking about asking them to hide illegal or immoral behavior), you have good reason to expect that your wishes will be respected.

If you have talked to the counselor, for instance, you’ll be able to say, “Listen, I spent all this time with Mr. X looking for a Catholic university that will work as well, and we couldn’t find one. I have an unusual major, and there are only so many universities of any kind that really have outstanding programs. Add on that University Y is offering a scholarship that I have a good chance of winning, and I think gives us a good reason to look into whether their Newman Center and other programs can make up for their not being a Catholic university.”

Most of all, do not act as if your faith means nothing to you. Did you know that if ex-Catholics were a denomination, they’d be the second-largest single denomination in the United States, second only to the Catholic Church itself? You ought to validate their concern that many Catholics your age leave the faith in college and never come back, because it is well-founded. Work with them in looking for a university that will support your continued spiritual growth, rather than undermining it.
I agree with this, especially the last paragraph.

You are actually still in the search phase since you do not even know whether or not you got a scholarship. Use the time to research colleges with your parents. Tell them that you, too, are concerned about practicing your faith in college.

Now would be a good idea to map out a plan of when and where Mass and confession are available at the possible schools. Will there be a priest available for spiritual direction? What diocese is the college in, and what kind of reputation does it have? Maybe the local parish is a good choice for Mass if the school is not. Are there opportunities for pro life or other ministries? College is definitely a time to grow academically, but you should be concerned about your spiritual health as well. College is a time of great distraction, and slowly moving away from your faith is a possibility, especially if you are so sure it is not.
 
In reading through some of your posts again, I cannot help but strongly recommend that you and your parents do some serious research on college climate. It seems that none of you realize that all Catholic colleges are not created equal and that secular does not mean neutral.

Please read Ex Corede Ecclesiae

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_jp-ii_apc_15081990_ex-corde-ecclesiae_en.html

Then go to the Cardinal Newman Society website and read through their guide. If you do a search on the site on colleges that are not on the list, you will be able to read articles that will probably explain why they were excluded. This is a good place to start.

I am surprised by you and your parents choice of Fordham University. I am not saying it is necessarily a poor choice, but with what your parents are expecting, I am surprised they would be okay with it.

If you have already been through this, I apologize. I may just be misreading your posts.
 
I don’t think this is a fair characterization at all. I can well imagine an extremely bright, mature student who has been accepted to the elite school on which he has his heart set, and to which he may receive a considerable scholarship, being upset to the point of tears to discover his parents won’t consider the idea. I think that this would be a perfectly understandable reaction.
Yes, to put it mildly. Between privately crying and privately punching a fist through a wall, tears of frustration are the better option.

It would be too bad, though, if he and his parents both go “nuclear”, they insisting that it is their way or the highway and he saying “well, fine, then, that will be the highway, and BTW you may want to reconsider your evangelization strategy!!” SLAM!!

Nobody wants that, but when the stubborn apple does not fall far from the stubborn tree, it has been known to happen.

OP, really…a pastor or a high school counselor, find someone to talk to. There are discrete adults out there to talk to. Find one of them, and more than that if you can.
 
In reading through some of your posts again, I cannot help but strongly recommend that you and your parents do some serious research on college climate. It seems that none of you realize that all Catholic colleges are not created equal and that secular does not mean neutral.

Please read Ex Corede Ecclesiae

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_jp-ii_apc_15081990_ex-corde-ecclesiae_en.html

Then go to the Cardinal Newman Society website and read through their guide. If you do a search on the site on colleges that are not on the list, you will be able to read articles that will probably explain why they were excluded. This is a good place to start.

I am surprised by you and your parents choice of Fordham University. I am not saying it is necessarily a poor choice, but with what your parents are expecting, I am surprised they would be okay with it.

If you have already been through this, I apologize. I may just be misreading your posts.
Someone cited an article about the importance of elite colleges. This may be what they were referring to:
economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/revisiting-the-value-of-elite-colleges/

Excepting students of specific backgrounds listed in the article, the very-good-but-not-top-ten schools fared very well when the results were corrected for where the student applied.
 
This is a reply to “Cat”. Due to the length of Cat’s last response (and I do appreciate the (name removed by moderator)ut), I can’t include it here.

Your kids were doing their own laundry at 9? I am forbidden to touch the washer, dryer, dishwasher, and all of my Father’s powertools. I put the dishes in the sink. If I want a screwdriver, I have to ask for permission. I use a pushmower to mow the grass and am forbidden to even touch the one that uses gasoline. I don’t have a drivers license, because the thought of me driving is not something my parents can handle.

Make my own doctor/dentist appointments? I would be grounded for a month if I even tried.

My Mother takes me clothes shopping. I have some say in my choice of clothes, but I go shopping when she wants to go.

Do any kind of cooking? My Mother would have a fit.

I do have a part-time job and I have saved most of the money I have earned from it.

I have tried to talk to my Father about assuming some additional reponsibilities, and he said I was still “too wet behind the ears”. This was about a year ago. That comment really hurt me, and I now avoid talking to him if possible.

As for my going into “drama” mode, if you knew me you wouldn’t say such a thing. I am venting on this board because I really have no place I can express my frustrations.

I admit I am having real problems finding a “trusted adult”. Part of the problem is that I don’t think I know how to relate to anyone older. All of you are just authority figures to me. I know that isn’t true, but knowing that and being actually to relate to you are two different things.

There’s more I want to say, but I have to get ready for school.
 
Someone cited an article about the importance of elite colleges. This may be what they were referring to:
economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/revisiting-the-value-of-elite-colleges/

Excepting students of specific backgrounds listed in the article, the very-good-but-not-top-ten schools fared very well when the results were corrected for where the student applied.
I was referring to the parents’ fear of their son (the OP) losing his faith in college. Fordham may fit the bill for the elite requirement, not so much for supporting the OP’s faith.
 
Well, I think Brad’s parents should be more concerned with Brad’s relationship with them instead of Brad’s relationship with the Church.

Are there really parents who are that controlling? My kids all do their own laundry. Do the dishes. Wow. College is the least of this family’s worries.

So, Brad, you have to know the school 12th grade guidance counselor, since he/she is sending transcripts out for you and getting recommendation letters together. Go talk to him/her about this.
 
Brad,

I can hear the frustration coming through in your posts. Is there another adult you could speak to, someone who would be discreet? A guidance counselor at your school, a godparent, an aunt or uncle, a parish priest? I do think you need advice – not just from Internet strangers, but from those closer to you and your family. There is some great advice in this thread, but I think you might get better advice from trusted adults who know you and your family better.

I remember when I was 17, and my parents and I had some different ideas about where I should go to college. My father thought I should go to his alma mater. For a variety of reasons, I did not want to attend there. We had many discussions, often heated. Once I was accepted to several schools, I sat down and discussed with him which one was my first preference, and the reasons why. (Good program in my desired major, small campus, etc.) Eventually, we did come to an agreement in which he agreed to help with the costs of attending that college. I think a large part of why my father agreed to help me attend the school of my choice was that he could tell I’d done my research – I presented a good case for why that school was the best fit for me.

From what you’ve said here, your parents seem more stubborn than mine, and maybe they wouldn’t even be able to hold a discussion. But I would suggest doing the research anyway. Research this Top-10 school and its academic programs in the area you want to study. Find out what schools have the best programs in what you want to study – as great as Top-10 schools are, this particular school might not be the best program for your desired major… Research the Newman Centers or Catholic centers at this Top-10 school as well as other schools that you’d like to attend, and find out what programs they have to offer Catholic students. Try to research the attitudes on campus toward religious students, since as many have said, some secular institutions can be very hostile toward religion – this is a bit trickier to research, but you can try doing some Internet research as well as perusing the websites for places like Foundation in Individual Rights in Education.

Then, once you have all this research, sit down and try to talk to your parents. Since you have said that even bringing up the topic is likely to get you punished, it might be best to have that other trusted adult present at the conversation.

While you’re doing all the research for the conversation with your parents, continue to pursue the scholarship application. If you receive the scholarship, you can figure out the details at that time.
 
  1. His parents’ concerns seem to be largely fear-based. Usually fears are best addressed by validating them and speaking to them, rather than minimizing them. As he goes through this, IOW, he needs to demonstrate how he plans to cement his contact with the Church when he goes off to college. He needs to point out that attending a Catholic college is not a guaranteed inoculation against losing one’s faith, either. If he doesn’t recognize the concern his parents have for his eternal soul and his grasp on the truth as an important priority, his parents are not going to come around. The perils of falling away from the sacraments and the life of the Church will not be trumped by any other gain he might propose.
This is a really critical point. The OP needs to demonstrate that he understands his parents’ fears about losing his faith and explain to them what, concretely, he plans on doing so that such does not happen. If that fear is not alleviated at least somewhat, the discussion is not likely to go well.
 
This is a really critical point. The OP needs to demonstrate that he understands his parents’ fears about losing his faith and explain to them what, concretely, he plans on doing so that such does not happen. If that fear is not alleviated at least somewhat, the discussion is not likely to go well.
Brad, I really think you should work on finding some person who can act as a go-between or mediator between you and your parents. You need someone to bring your side to them without the same degree of threat as when you seem to be defying their wishes. Do you have any older relatives who understand your position? Your godparents perhaps? You didn’t mention any older siblings, but that might be the best case scenario, if you have them. Can you think of anyone? I’m just thinking it might break the logjam to have someone else approach your parents - would they listen to your guidance counselor at school? Of course it would be better if it were a close relative or close friend…But in a standoff, a mediator can help a lot.
 
… I am forbidden to touch the washer, dryer, dishwasher, and all of my Father’s powertools. I put the dishes in the sink. If I want a screwdriver, I have to ask for permission. I use a pushmower to mow the grass and am forbidden to even touch the one that uses gasoline. I don’t have a drivers license, because the thought of me driving is not something my parents can handle…My Mother takes me clothes shopping. I have some say in my choice of clothes, but I go shopping when she wants to go.

Do any kind of cooking? My Mother would have a fit…

I have tried to talk to my Father about assuming some additional reponsibilities, and he said I was still “too wet behind the ears”. This was about a year ago. That comment really hurt me, and I now avoid talking to him if possible…
I have relatives like this. Honestly, one of them thought her sons were capable of “ruining” not their own clothes, but her clothes washer! These boys grew up to go into engineering and medical-type specialities, so it isn’t like they were klutzes. They’re wonderful cooks, too. I had some of that growing up, too, but not because I was too young. I was deemed unsuitable for certain tasks because I was a girl. Dad didn’t want me doing that stuff. Trust me, though, when the choice was between teaching me and having to do that stuff for me, my brothers were happy to teach me to be a modern woman! 😉 😃

Well, you’re living rent-free at their house, so even if they weren’t your parents, there is a degree to which you’re bound by the house rules. No such thing as a free lunch. You’re paying the price for not being one of those kids who only wears what he’s earned the money to buy. You aren’t one of those kids getting zero help with college. You don’t have parents who put down your desire to even go to college, who take it as a personal insult that you want a college education. Play the cards in the hand you’ve been dealt; it could be a lot worse. Making your own life from the beginnings God gave you, and doing it with grace and gratitude even as you have to push the boundaries here and there, that is the ticket.

When it comes to finding an adult you can trust, I can understand your reticence. You’ve not been taught to see authority figures as guides, but more as police. Well, the raft is on fire now, though! What are you going to do? Your straits are dire enough–which way are you going to jump? I say, jump in the direction where there might be some help. If you get none, you are no worse off than if you’d stayed on the raft or jumped off to swim on your own devices. “Stuff” may hit the fan if someone gets out of your control, but let’s face it, that’s probably where the process was headed, anyway.

There might not be a scenario possible in which you do something other than what your parents want and the “stuff” doesn’t hit the fan. I have news for you: As other posters have hinted, that day is coming, anyway. It is up to you to decide when you are ready to go through it. Personally, I’d make some friends among the old “police” people now, so you’ll have somewhere to go when you make that journey. Get the promise that if you do not suggest doing anything dangerous or immoral, they will your conversations entirely confidential, unless they get your permission to do otherwise. I’d start with your pastor for advice on how to keep your faith while in a non-Catholic college and especially with your teachers and guidance counselors for the process of choosing a place. The more opinions, the better, because you aren’t looking for some single right answer, as if this were a math problem. You’re looking for a strategy that you are comfortable with, no strategy is guaranteed, and so give yourself as many options to consider as possible before you plunge ahead.

You can do it, though. Even if you wind up with upset parents and going to the exact place they had in mind, anyway, you’ll at least be able to look back and say, “I tried, and I looked out for all of us, both them and myself. I did my best, and it laid the groundwork for the day I did take my own life into my own hands.” Do your part to give them a dignified path through your emancipation, but if they decide to go to war over this, well, it cannot be helped. You have no guarantee of a “win”, but it can’t be helped. Life has those gambles. Do get guidance, though. Do put your relationship with them ahead of emancipation at 18 instead of at 22, but don’t let that mean that you will be entirely avoid all conflict with them. Respectful conflict with your parents is possible without violating any commandments. No matter what they do, though, you want to give them all the deference that you can allow them, without letting them put inappropriate boundaries on you. That will be easier if you get yourself some good coaching. This is a new path for you, there are going to be real difficulties no matter how you handle yourself, so have someone in your corner before you ring the bell and come out swinging, OK?

Hang in there!! 👍
 
This is a reply to “Cat”. Due to the length of Cat’s last response (and I do appreciate the (name removed by moderator)ut), I can’t include it here.

Your kids were doing their own laundry at 9? I am forbidden to touch the washer, dryer, dishwasher, and all of my Father’s powertools. I put the dishes in the sink. If I want a screwdriver, I have to ask for permission. I use a pushmower to mow the grass and am forbidden to even touch the one that uses gasoline. I don’t have a drivers license, because the thought of me driving is not something my parents can handle.

Make my own doctor/dentist appointments? I would be grounded for a month if I even tried.

My Mother takes me clothes shopping. I have some say in my choice of clothes, but I go shopping when she wants to go.

Do any kind of cooking? My Mother would have a fit.

I do have a part-time job and I have saved most of the money I have earned from it.

I have tried to talk to my Father about assuming some additional reponsibilities, and he said I was still “too wet behind the ears”. This was about a year ago. That comment really hurt me, and I now avoid talking to him if possible.

As for my going into “drama” mode, if you knew me you wouldn’t say such a thing. I am venting on this board because I really have no place I can express my frustrations.

I admit I am having real problems finding a “trusted adult”. Part of the problem is that I don’t think I know how to relate to anyone older. All of you are just authority figures to me. I know that isn’t true, but knowing that and being actually to relate to you are two different things.

There’s more I want to say, but I have to get ready for school.
Brad, are there cultural factors involved? This is just so atypical for American parents.
 
Sometimes I wonder how people get rich. Seriously. Because many of them turn out to be absolute clowns. And I say this as someone who meets and/or talks to a lot of investment bankers and private equity people. Some are brilliant and others… I don’t know.

How in the world did your parents get to be wealthy without having a lick of common sense?
 
Is your question is if they can do this Legally, Or if they can do this spiritually.

Legally, yes, you are under 18

Spiritually, yes, they are your parent and you need to honor your parent if their decision is for your highest good, which they seem to be all about this. Perhaps, consult with a priest for guidance.

There are a lot of temptation, your parent know better and they are putting your soul well being before anything else.

Pray God, to allow all the perfect miracles for the highest good. If going to this University that you wish, is for you, then God will guide your parent, if not, then you need to trust.

I understand you and i hear you so so much, but you need to pray about this and trust the Lord.

Hugs and love!

p.s All parent will be accountable to the upbringing of their children when they die, don’t forget this. Once you have the legal age, then it is up to you to do God’s will, but your parent seems like they want to give you all of what they learned and they understand all the temptations.
Great advice.

However, parents may mean well but there could be unintended consequences. If parents can be become too heavy handed there is a risk of alienating their child. I personally know several atheists who have very religious and heavy handed parents. One of them is my father.
 
Sometimes I wonder how people get rich. Seriously. Because many of them turn out to be absolute clowns. And I say this as someone who meets and/or talks to a lot of investment bankers and private equity people. Some are brilliant and others… I don’t know.

How in the world did your parents get to be wealthy without having a lick of common sense?
With all due respect, The Bucket, wealth and common sense are not always a 1:1 correspondence, as is evident by looking at many celebrities.

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With all due respect, The Bucket, wealth and common sense are not always a 1:1 correspondence, as is evident by looking at many celebrities.

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Very true. I also find that wealth brings with it all sorts of problems related to sin. I just need only to look at my own family and see that. That’s why I pray I don’t get rich. Comfortable, but not rich. Wealth would probably corrupt me as badly as it did my father.
 
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