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felra
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Can a sacramentally married man/woman be a good and faithful Catholic and contracept the marital act (either through drug, devise or sterilization)?
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Magicsilence
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Your question contradicts itself, the words “faithful catholic” imply a complete devotion to catholicism and to be in agreeance with all doctrine. Birth control is condemned, so you cannot be a faithful catholic and use contraception. Period.
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jusher7281
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With regards to Catholic teaching, it’s either all or nothing. We cannot pick and choose which doctrines we believe and obey.
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kaymart
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This is am example of the pick and choose, Cafeteria Catholics. Sorry no grey areas.
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puzzleannie
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that is like asking, can one be a good, loyal American, and continue to supply aid and comfort to the terrorists? Can one claim to be devoted to maintaining one’s physical health and well-being while deliberately ingesting junk food and polluted water?
by adopting, approving, and incorporating the thinking and doctrine of the culture of death in one’s most intimate areas of family life, one guarantees that his/her outward observence of Catholic practices are empty and barren, and cuts the marriage off from the benefit of the sacramental graces which pertain to matrimony (as well as excommunicating oneself from the Eucharist and union with the Body of Christ).
whether or not one has been fully educated on the methods and activities of the terrorists he is aiding, or whether or not his doctor has fully educated him on the risks of his lifestyle choices, is immaterial. His culpability may be lessened due to ignorance, but the damage is done and the damage is inherent in the activities themselves, not a punishment arising from outside the abuse.
by adopting, approving, and incorporating the thinking and doctrine of the culture of death in one’s most intimate areas of family life, one guarantees that his/her outward observence of Catholic practices are empty and barren, and cuts the marriage off from the benefit of the sacramental graces which pertain to matrimony (as well as excommunicating oneself from the Eucharist and union with the Body of Christ).
whether or not one has been fully educated on the methods and activities of the terrorists he is aiding, or whether or not his doctor has fully educated him on the risks of his lifestyle choices, is immaterial. His culpability may be lessened due to ignorance, but the damage is done and the damage is inherent in the activities themselves, not a punishment arising from outside the abuse.
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cecelia
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No one cannot be a good and faithful Cathoic and contracept. Yes, we may rationalize and say that we love the Lord, but if we do, then we have to keep His commandments and obey His Church. It all goes back to the authority. If the Church passes on the Word of God, then all that she says is true, and we have to believe it and obey it. If the Church is not, then we’re free to obey only our own consciences. Does truth emanate from us or from God? Those Catholics who make the free will choice to contracept presume that they themselves are the arbiter of truth. Such a stance is consistent with that of Satan who felt that he himself could decide what was true and what was not. This stance he imparted to Adam and Eve through deception. If we Catholics choose to contracept, then we have bought into the deception, and that mode of thinking leads us to rationalize our faith in other areas as well. And before you know it, we’re far removed from God, and unrecognizable even to ourselves.
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fix
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newadvent.org/summa/300503.htm
Now it is manifest that he who adheres to the teaching of the Church, as to an infallible rule, assents to whatever the Church teaches; otherwise, if, of the things taught by the Church, he holds what he chooses to hold, and rejects what he chooses to reject, he no longer adheres to the teaching of the Church as to an infallible rule, but to his own will.
Aquinas
Now it is manifest that he who adheres to the teaching of the Church, as to an infallible rule, assents to whatever the Church teaches; otherwise, if, of the things taught by the Church, he holds what he chooses to hold, and rejects what he chooses to reject, he no longer adheres to the teaching of the Church as to an infallible rule, but to his own will.
Aquinas
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kenzi
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I don’t know, maybe the Catholic church should only allow members who take all its teachings?
Its just a thought in my mind, if the rest won’t conform then they can go to a different church.
I think that there should be a Catholic church for the Catholics who want to follow all the churches doctrines and then a Catholic church for those who don’t or won’t.
then we would all be happy in my opinion and there would not be any discord as we would belong to our own individual church.
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fix
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There is only one Church founded by Christ. Either we accept His authority, or we reject it. What I find perplexing is that so many of us want to claim to be faithful to Christ, yet we refuse to submit and obey Him.
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kenzi
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ok, thats what I mean, like, why don’t everyone who doesn’t accept every teaching of the Catholic church right down the line, just leave the church?
I think it would make it so much easier, thats all I’m trying to get across, I know that most all of the Catholics I know don’t follow at least one if not more of the churches teachings so I think they should just find a different faith if they can’t take all the teachings and we should get rid of all the priests and whoever else won’t stand up for the true church teachings, we should only have priests that are willing to stand at the pulpit and let everyone know that the church won’t have it any other way, the churches way or get out.
I think it would make it so much easier, thats all I’m trying to get across, I know that most all of the Catholics I know don’t follow at least one if not more of the churches teachings so I think they should just find a different faith if they can’t take all the teachings and we should get rid of all the priests and whoever else won’t stand up for the true church teachings, we should only have priests that are willing to stand at the pulpit and let everyone know that the church won’t have it any other way, the churches way or get out.
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kenzi
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by the way, the priest at my own church won’t stand at the pulpit and proclaim the true teachings of the church, he is just wishy washy, it just makes me sick, we need to get back to the way it once was, the way our parents grew up in the 50’s and 60’s, we have fallen so far away.
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system
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Absolutely not. We have good means of family planning through NFP. All of these others are abortificiants or saying no to God completely (through sterilization).
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But_for_Grace
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:nope: umm, NO! :nope:
The only variance I can see as reasonable is if someone got an irreversable surgical (tubal, vascetomy) sterilization, prior to joining the catholic church.
The only variance I can see as reasonable is if someone got an irreversable surgical (tubal, vascetomy) sterilization, prior to joining the catholic church.
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kenzi
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But for Grace said:
Exactly,
either practice the faith in full or leave the Catholic church:yup:
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geezerbob
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Why do you even post a poll on a topic on which the Magisterium has spoken?
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Patrick
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Let’s talk real life here though … I suspect that if we followed what you suggest, 95% of Catholics would have to leave the church and we would be left with a very small minority of terrific Catholics. But the majority of the 95% that left would still be followers of Christ and live what most would consider to be morally good lives … so what’s the point in booting them out?
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kenzi
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well, then they should not proclaim to be good and faithful Catholics, that seems to be what most are saying, did you read the above posts? Most of all Catholic answers is very clear that you must follow all Catholic law to be a true good and faithful Catholic, so maybe some people need to wake up, I don’t know, if I’m wrong, I’m very sorry, it just seems that this is the way people on this message board feel, if you can’t accept All the law, what are you doing in the Catholic church in the first place? I don’t know, I’ve been gone from the boards for a long time but just from reading posts the last few days, that is the feel that I have gotten.
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kenzi
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maybe someone should ask, can you still be a good and faithful Catholic if you don’t follow all the Catholic teachings, like sadly, yes, most Catholics in America.
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Bella3502
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Condemnation of birth control DOES NOT stop the majority of Catholics from using it. Not only do they use it AND take communion every Sunday, but I would be willing to bet you that most don’t even consider it a sin.
I know many women who would never have an abortion. On the other hand, they are all using birth control because they do not want any more children, period. They take their faith seriously. All are happily married. One has 3 kids in Catholic school and the other one homeschools her one child. They are all in church on Sunday, and consider themselves faithful.
Let’s face it, NFP is not as effective as other forms of birth control. If it were, more Catholics would be willing to use it, and more would be willing to teach it to other couples. If it were more effective, then why don’t they teach it in the Church?
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Anna_Elizabeth
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“and the other one homeschools her one child”
Yes, let’s. As Archbishop Chaput said recently, “There are many Protestants attending Sunday Mass.”
Anna
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