Can one be a good and faithful Catholic and contracept?

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CatholicCid:
Another thought… I can’t find a link on this but I am sure I heard it somewhere…

It is alright to use condoms to protect from STD’s but as long as you poke holes in them…

That way, your using it for protection but keeping to possibility of getting pregnant…

Anyone hear of this before?
WHAT THE…???

What absoulte tripe. If you are what you say, a Catholic Kid, then I am sorry but you have been way out misinformed. According to your profile you are almost 18 and you seriously believe this? If it lets sperm out it lets diseases in. Oh hold on… This has to be a joke right? Please tell me it is? Or am I missing something? OK ok I fell for it. It is a joke?

I simply refuse to believe that this type of information is being offered seriously?
 
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Fergal:
WHAT THE…???

What absoulte tripe. If you are what you say, a Catholic Kid, then I am sorry but you have been way out misinformed. According to your profile you are almost 18 and you seriously believe this? If it lets sperm out it lets diseases in. Oh hold on… This has to be a joke right? Please tell me it is? Or am I missing something? OK ok I fell for it. It is a joke?

I simply refuse to believe that this type of information is being offered seriously?
I was just asking if anyone has heard that before, because I swear I have… I could have easily read it off a Catholics for contraception use site…
Of course I didn’t say I believed it, I don’t believe in sex before marriage (which in itself is one of the main problems) and unatural contraception use… I just wanted to see if anyone might have heard that before… I swear, ask a question and get shot
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Bella3502:
Could someone please explain why the Catholic parishes do not teach NFP? Why don’t they practice what they preach? If artificial birth control is SO wrong, then why not teach and preach what is acceptable? I think it is because most Priests know that NFP is not as effective as other forms of birth control.

It is that simple.
I think that priorities are backwards here. NFP is a wonderful thing, but it can be abused. We are only to use NFP for serious reasons. We don’t have NFP because it’s safer, more effective, and all the things that it is. We have NFP because God designed our bodies in a particular way. Our job as Catholics is to recognize that our bodies and our fertility are a gift that we must give back to God. We must be open to His will for our family planning. I think most priests are afraid, not to preach NFP, but to preach about being open to life as the Church requires. We live in a culture where the attitude is that we control everything. We will choose, we will decide what is best for ourselves.

I challenge you to reach out to these women in your parish and show them the love of Christ and the plan that He has for their marriage and their fertility. This is not about “what works best” its about what gets us to heaven 🙂
 
The fact that 33% of responders to the poll did NOT say no offers several possibilities:
  1. Some of those who replied are not baptized or confirmed Catholics.
  2. Some of those who replied have not familiarized themselves with the teachings of the Church.
  3. Some of those who reply have obstinately attempted to reserve themselves the right to “have an opinion” regarding a matter for which there is no right.
The answer to the original question is NO. End of thread. End of post. No need of further discussion. It is a waste of everyone’s time to begin threads like this when the original poster likely already knows the answer or could discover it in a 5 second Internet search.

The Internet has finite bandwidth. Please do not waste it with nonsense like this.
 
Artificial contraception, hell no. NFP depends on your reasons.
 
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Bella3502:
Could someone please explain why the Catholic parishes do not teach NFP? Why don’t they practice what they preach? If artificial birth control is SO wrong, then why not teach and preach what is acceptable? I think it is because most Priests know that NFP is not as effective as other forms of birth control.

It is that simple.
Actually, I think most priest aren’t educated in NFP. Natural Family Planning should be taught in seminarys or at least priests should be required to learn this, so that they may explain the benefits and beauty of Natural Family Planning. Artificial birth control is always wrong, and yes, it does need to be taught from the pulpit!! 👍
 
Can one be a good and faithful Catholic and contracept?

One can be Catholic and contracept, yes.

Contracept and otherwise be a good person, yes.

But faithful? No. To be a faithful Catholic means following the Church’s teachings, and if you contracept, you aren’t doing that.

Catholic Cid, perhaps what you heard was about the licit use of a condom with a hole in it to collect sperm for fertility testing. I think I read about that on the “Ask an Apologist” forum.
 
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Ruthie:
Catholic Cid, perhaps what you heard was about the licit use of a condom with a hole in it to collect sperm for fertility testing. I think I read about that on the “Ask an Apologist” forum.
I have never in my life heard of this. Please give us the source as I am now intrigued.
 
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Bella3502:
Could someone please explain why the Catholic parishes do not teach NFP? Why don’t they practice what they preach? If artificial birth control is SO wrong, then why not teach and preach what is acceptable? I think it is because most Priests know that NFP is not as effective as other forms of birth control.

It is that simple.
So, starting with a false implication (that no Catholic parishes teach NFP), we end up with false conclusion artificial birth control really isn’t “SO wrong” and that “most Priests know that NFP is not as effective as other forms of birth control.”

I guess that’s some form of simple.

Fact: Many parishes offer instruction in NFP.

Fact: Properly practiced, NFP is as effective as any common form of birth control, but without the nasty, often life-threatening side effects associated with many.

Fact: Even if “other forms of birth control” are more effective, they are still intrinsically disordered as they violate natural law. Effectiveness is not a criterion for determining an action’s morality.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
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fix:
There is only one Church founded by Christ. Either we accept His authority, or we reject it. What I find perplexing is that so many of us want to claim to be faithful to Christ, yet we refuse to submit and obey Him.
Perhaps it is becasue Christ never spoke on this most basic of human moral issues that so many find themselves challenged by the absolute nature of the Church’s teaching on it.
 
I hope when I respond to this, no one judges me. I do believe all that the Church teaches and I am probably someone who would be considered a faithful Catholic by everyone I know. That said, I have made serious errors in my life, as I am sure others may have EVEN when they have great love for Christ and his Church. I was baptised Catholic in 1998, later had two children. Several of my family members (including myself) have had some emotional/mental issues in the past. I’ve had anxiety issues alot in the past that I have always wrestled with controlling. ANYWAY, I really doubted my mothering skills to say the least(still do sometimes) and I felt that I simply could not have more children because I obviously had problems coping with being a mother that I felt that other normal people could handle, therefore something must be wrong with me. I can’t tell you how many times I would be “falling apart” during the day and my husband would rush home from work to “rescue me”. Well, we finally decided to get a vasectomy. I was a faithful person and I knew that it was a sin (it was a very glossed over issue in RCIA, though), but that was what I had decided. A few months after I went to confession and spoke with our priest about it. I knew the church says it’s wrong , and I agree with that. I believe that all the church teaches is true. Nevertheless, I knew that there must be something imperfect in my faith that I could not trust God enough that I had to “take control”. I didn’t trust what his plan was for me. While I did agree that it was a sin, I still didn’t feel like I regretted it in the sense that all of a sudden I wanted more kids and now I couldn’t because of what I did. My main reason at the time for the grief I felt was because I knew that I did something extremely hurtful to someone I love, but I didn’t have full understanding of it all. It’s kind of like when you’re a kid and you make a choice that hurts your parents and you feel horrible because you know it’s wrong and you hate that you hurt them, but you don’t fully comprehend why it’s wrong. I told the priest all of this and said that I needed to make amends, I was in misery because I’d dissapointed God. I needed God’s forgiveness. Some people would just run off to another church that says it’s okay, but the Catholic church is where the fullness of truth is and for me to leave would be like divorce. I have prayed to God for forgivness and asked him be patient with me and help me come to greater understanding and I’ve studied and learned so much more about my faith and I feel like I’ve grown enourmously since then. I don’t know if I’ll ever feel like one day I’ll say I wanted more kids, but I do regret so much that I didn’t trust God’s plan for me which I’m sure would probably would have included a larger family. But I know that God has forgiven me and given me greater understanding of this. God created us and in turn, if and when we marry we are able to help in God’s creation. I think NFP isn’t always taught in church because, except under certain circumstances, we are to always be open to creating life. That’s the primary purpose of joining a man and woman together n marriage. To be trying to practice NFP for the purpose of wanting to wait to start a family or because you don’t want more children I think might be considered as still trying to control the situation, but believe me, I know I’m obviously in no place to judge! I think I’ve finally come to the point in my life that if I could turn back the clock (having the faith and understanding I do now), then I would because I trust God’s plan for me now even though I’m not always sure if it’s what I think I’m ready for. I hope that I wasn’t boring everyone to tears, but I also hope that maybe this might be helpful to some who may have made the same choices that I made, but have never shared it. It’s hard for me to share sometimes because I now live out may faith so fully (even the challenging things), that I hate to have my past mistakes thrown back at me and to be considered an unfaithful Catholic. Thanks everone!

Tamara
 
As a non Catholic, I never thought of contraception as wrong (never even occured), I always thought that the Catholic Church said this so they’d be more Catholics. If a couple were married, they loved each other, then they could have relations, cause they wanted to. Didn’t really realize how restrictive catholic morality was, or the detail in which sexual morality is described. They actually tell you how and what to think, ie attraction should be used glorify God when procreating, liking the other is at best secondary. Everything is impersonal, all about weighty spiritual goals. Why even bother preaching NFP when 90% of couples will never have seriouse enough reasons to jusitfy using it.

Isn’t all sin supposed to be self evident? There are plenty of uninformed catholics and many more non catholic christians using birth control with no idea of it as a sin (as your church describes it). But you wouldn’t get many real christians killing babies, or having sex outside marriage. If it’s so bad, it would be obviouse.
 
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cynic:
Didn’t really realize how restrictive catholic morality was, or the detail in which sexual morality is described. They actually tell you how and what to think, ie attraction should be used glorify God when procreating, liking the other is at best secondary.
Of course, it bears mentioning that your characterization isn’t accurate.
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cynic:
Everything is impersonal, all about weighty spiritual goals.
Nonsense.
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cynic:
Why even bother preaching NFP when 90% of couples will never have seriouse enough reasons to jusitfy using it.
Again, nonsense. It is obvious you don’t understand Catholic teaching against contraception. It is equally obvious you’re just making up percentages.
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cynic:
Isn’t all sin supposed to be self evident?
Where is this rule written down?

– Mark L. Chance.
 
Island Oak:
Perhaps it is becasue Christ never spoke on this most basic of human moral issues that so many find themselves challenged by the absolute nature of the Church’s teaching on it.
Perhaps, but I believe that if this is the case, many then are using this (Christ never spoke directly about contraception, then how the Church be so absolute?) as a tangential rationalization for sin. From my observation, at it’s essential, to introduce contraceptive intercourse in the marital union is simply the choice of personal preference/convenience over the demands of discipleship. Period. All the rest is fluff on top, no matter where one begins in their disobediance to authoritative Church teaching in matters of faith and morals.
 
My previous post may have given the impression that being without sin, I could cast the first stone - but far from it.

Tamara, I am making amends for 20 - 25 years of using contraceptives by donating a fixed amount monthly to my local Pregnancy Resource Center.

I thought I was doing the right thing back then; now I know I was wrong. Who knows how many babies I have denied to God?

I look at my new little nephew, born July 23rd, and think, “That’s what I have stolen from God.”

:crying:
 
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TamaraS:
I hope when I respond to this, no one judges me. …
i’m not. and no, your story didn’t bore me to tears. God Bless you for sharing it!
 
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Ruthie:
My previous post may have given the impression that being without sin, I could cast the first stone - but far from it.

Tamara, I am making amends for 20 - 25 years of using contraceptives by donating a fixed amount monthly to my local Pregnancy Resource Center.

I thought I was doing the right thing back then; now I know I was wrong. Who knows how many babies I have denied to God?

I look at my new little nephew, born July 23rd, and think, “That’s what I have stolen from God.”

:crying:
God Bless you and your nephew!!!
 
You guys are so sweet!

And Ruthie, I completely understand. I know in my heart God has forgiven me, but I often think of ways I could make amends. I think when my children are both in school I would like to volunteer in some way that could benefit children. Right now I just don’t have the time- I have a mother who is very ill and I spend alot of time with her during the week already. I also have often thought of the children I may have had if I hadn’t made the choices I made. My youngest child is four and she loves babies and I often wonder what kind of big sister she would have been like. I have several friends that were only able to have one or two children, and they struggled so much just to have the ones they have. It makes me realize that God gave me a gift that a lot people would love to have and I didn’t appreciate it and threw it away. I also have a friend who has six children and I used to think “are they crazy?”, but now I see how blessed and happy they are.
Thanks for listening!
Tamara
 
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Bella3502:
Could someone please explain why the Catholic parishes do not teach NFP? Why don’t they practice what they preach? If artificial birth control is SO wrong, then why not teach and preach what is acceptable? I think it is because most Priests know that NFP is not as effective as other forms of birth control.

It is that simple.
Actually NFP lessons are available all throughout my diocese. As far as priests knowing anything about the subject: my priest, like all priests, witness the end of many people’s lives. He said in all that time he has heard many people say they wish they’d had more children. He has never heard anyone say they wished they’d had fewer.

Also, he says he often has couples come into his office devastated because they put off having children and now can’t have them.

The reason priests don’t preach against contraception (mine does occassionally btw), is simply bad formation.

Scott
 
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