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Pieman333272
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If one is unrepentant of a venial sin, can they go to hell?
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Bookcat
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No a Baptized person in the state of grace…can not go to hell for a venial sin.
Though they can at times dispose one towards mortal sin…
Though they can at times dispose one towards mortal sin…
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passus
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A person who dies with un-repented venial sin will go to Purgatory, not Hell.
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followingtheway
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No, Venial sins are described by the Bible as “sins that do not lead unto death [meaning Hell]” in 1 John 5:16-17.
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PrayHarder
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Just to clarify, you will still go to Purgatory even if you have been absolved of venial or mortal sins. Your time in Purgatory is only reduced or removed if you receive an indulgence. Think of it like putting pins into a cork board. Suppose the pins represent sins. In the Sacrament of Reconciliation, those “pins” are removed from the board. However, the holes that they created still exist. The purification in Purgatory fixes those “holes” and makes you worthy to enter Heaven.
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Bookcat
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A person may need further purification via a state called purgatory…
Indulgences are one way for the healing of the person…for their purification…but not the only way (but a good one not to be neglected). And a person may even be entirely purified at the moment of absolution…(though often this is not the case…there is often “temporal” effects remaining…)
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Samuel63
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Indulgences are great!
meltzerboy
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I vaguely recall reading something about the possibility of going to hell dependent on committing a very large number of venial sins. But that information may have been wrong, or I may have remembered it incorrectly. Did anyone else hear about this?
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TimothyH
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I’m not too sure that God is constrained by such a fine line between moral and venial sin. Certainly I’m not willing to put God in a box and gamble with my salvation.
But I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, ‘Raqa,’ will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna. (Matthew 5:22)
Gehenna was the Valley of Hinnon where Jews who worshipped the god Molech sacrificed children by burning them. The name was later adopted to mean the place where the wicked went AKA Hell. Only the thrid kind of sin leaves one immediately liable to Hell. But the other two types of sin still leave one open to judgement; the first to the judges at the gate and the second to the rabinnical courts; both akin to the civil and crimminal court system today. I think many Catholics who draw a fine line between mortal and venial sin play fast and loose with their salvation. All sin leaves you liable to God’s judgement and I’m sure that Purgatory aint too fun. The sheer number of people who’s conciences bother them enough to come to this website to ascertain if a sin is mortal or venial testify to the gravity of their sins. Personally, if a sin bother’s me enough to post about it on a public website, I’m not taking to a laboratory to have it analyzed to tell me if it is mortal or venial. I’m taking it to the confessional.
Now I understand that there is sin that breaks God’s covenant (deadly) and sin that does not. I also understand the Church’s magesterial teaching on the difference between moral and venial sin. I wrote about it in a blog post about Purgatory here.
So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect. (Matthew 5:48)
But at what point do we start taking Jesus’s command seriously. At what point do fifty bajillion venial sins ammount to death by a million paper cuts?
The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world. (John 1:29)
And at what point do we start beginning that Jesus really can take away our sins. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Nyet. Gone. Goodbye. Blot out… healed. The Catechims lists the pennance as a sacrament of healing. There is no sacrament of forgiveness. Jesus doesn’t want to just forgive you. he wants to heal you of your sins so that you never come back to the confessional with them again. He wants to make you a saint.
So personally, I don’t sweat whether a sin is mortal or venial or try to second guess God on whether I’m liable to judgment, The Sanhedrin, Gehenna, Purgatory, Heaven or Hell. I just bring it to the confessional. And if the priest is ticked off at my long list, well then I just hand him the list and say, “This is what I need to be healed of. I need Jesus to take these sins away from me.”
I’m sorry to go on and I don’t mean to lecture anyone. But I have been healed of some whoppers and have been had some pretty stubborn habits <SNAP!> taken away from me like that. I want everyone to experience that instead of worrying about classifying sins and possibly even second guessing God.
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But I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, ‘Raqa,’ will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna. (Matthew 5:22)
Gehenna was the Valley of Hinnon where Jews who worshipped the god Molech sacrificed children by burning them. The name was later adopted to mean the place where the wicked went AKA Hell. Only the thrid kind of sin leaves one immediately liable to Hell. But the other two types of sin still leave one open to judgement; the first to the judges at the gate and the second to the rabinnical courts; both akin to the civil and crimminal court system today. I think many Catholics who draw a fine line between mortal and venial sin play fast and loose with their salvation. All sin leaves you liable to God’s judgement and I’m sure that Purgatory aint too fun. The sheer number of people who’s conciences bother them enough to come to this website to ascertain if a sin is mortal or venial testify to the gravity of their sins. Personally, if a sin bother’s me enough to post about it on a public website, I’m not taking to a laboratory to have it analyzed to tell me if it is mortal or venial. I’m taking it to the confessional.
Now I understand that there is sin that breaks God’s covenant (deadly) and sin that does not. I also understand the Church’s magesterial teaching on the difference between moral and venial sin. I wrote about it in a blog post about Purgatory here.
So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect. (Matthew 5:48)
But at what point do we start taking Jesus’s command seriously. At what point do fifty bajillion venial sins ammount to death by a million paper cuts?
The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world. (John 1:29)
And at what point do we start beginning that Jesus really can take away our sins. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Nyet. Gone. Goodbye. Blot out… healed. The Catechims lists the pennance as a sacrament of healing. There is no sacrament of forgiveness. Jesus doesn’t want to just forgive you. he wants to heal you of your sins so that you never come back to the confessional with them again. He wants to make you a saint.
So personally, I don’t sweat whether a sin is mortal or venial or try to second guess God on whether I’m liable to judgment, The Sanhedrin, Gehenna, Purgatory, Heaven or Hell. I just bring it to the confessional. And if the priest is ticked off at my long list, well then I just hand him the list and say, “This is what I need to be healed of. I need Jesus to take these sins away from me.”
I’m sorry to go on and I don’t mean to lecture anyone. But I have been healed of some whoppers and have been had some pretty stubborn habits <SNAP!> taken away from me like that. I want everyone to experience that instead of worrying about classifying sins and possibly even second guessing God.
-Tim-
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Newbie2
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I think the key here is “unrepentant”. If a person is not willing to repent for very venial sin, there is the possibility of compounding a venial sin with a mortal one.
But therin lies, methinks, a matter of definition or semantics. If one refuses to repent of one’s (venial) sin, is that not therefor a mortal sin?
I would think that if a person thought they could commit even venial sin without obtaining forgiveness i.e. shunning God’s pardon for their sin, that would separate them from God.
But therin lies, methinks, a matter of definition or semantics. If one refuses to repent of one’s (venial) sin, is that not therefor a mortal sin?
I would think that if a person thought they could commit even venial sin without obtaining forgiveness i.e. shunning God’s pardon for their sin, that would separate them from God.
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Bookcat
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Such would not the the Teaching of the Church…but it can lead towards committing a mortal sin (see below)
Catechism:
1863 Venial sin weakens charity; it manifests a disordered affection for created goods; it impedes the soul’s progress in the exercise of the virtues and the practice of the moral good; it merits temporal punishment. Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin. However venial sin does not set us in direct opposition to the will and friendship of God; it does not break the covenant with God. With God’s grace it is humanly reparable. “Venial sin does not deprive the sinner of sanctifying grace, friendship with God, charity, and consequently eternal happiness.”
vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P6C.HTM
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Bookcat
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It would not…but it repeated deliberate unrepented venial sins…“can” lead towards such…via a mortal sin
see CCC above
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Newbie2
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Yeah, that’s what I meant.
Someone who commits a venial sin and says, “I know this is a sin, I know it’s not a serious sin, but I don’t need forgiveness and refuse to ask for it” is certainly dancing with the devil.
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Pieman333272
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What if one acknowledges the need for forgiveness but does not feel they have done their part for forgiveness - being repentant?Yeah, that’s what I meant.
Someone who commits a venial sin and says, “I know this is a sin, I know it’s not a serious sin, but I don’t need forgiveness and refuse to ask for it” is certainly dancing with the devil.
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Bookcat
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One repents …asks forgivness…does penance …seeks to amend their lives…to follow Christ …goes perhaps to confession etc…
Of course they may too have a difficulty “feeling” the reality that is there…no worries feeling is not the end all and be all…they do not always follow reality…
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Newbie2
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Then they should repent. The “default” position of any Christian should be to seek forgiveness when in doubt.
That’s sort of my point; when a believer purposefully rejects repentance, even for a venial sin, that’s a serious matter.
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Pieman333272
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But what if one keeps doing the sin after confession, and it is preventable? Such as minor lying?
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Bookcat
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Certainly if it is venial: that does not = hell.
We all have venial sins…and yet remain “saints” that is living in Christ…in a state of grace.
We struggle with venial sins…thus Christ taught us to pray “forgive us our trespasses”…
Yes fully deliberate venial sin is especially not good … and is not good for the spiritual life…etc after mortal sin …they are the next bad thing (though there is a grand canyon of difference) …we should seek to avoid them…and repent quickly if we should sin.
and “Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin”
But it does not = mortal sin.
Venial sin …“impedes the soul’s progress in the exercise of the virtues and the practice of the moral good; it merits temporal punishment.” (see CCC quote above)
Repeated lying though can though be harmful too and can be sinful in other ways…such as no one will trust you if one is always telling small lies…
As for repeated venial sins “after” a good confession…that can be the lot of many of us. We can all have certain areas of habitual sins…overeating…etc We have to each time repent and seek to have a good purpose of amendment for these venial sins (at least in the case of venial sins…seek to lessen them to avoid them more and more).
Though it is possible that the person also is not sorry for that sin…not amended? But not necessarily…as I said we can struggle with such areas of weakness.
It can be helpful to have a very practical purpose of amendment. If one habitually eats too much cake each night…one can make the resolution to eat it only on the weekends etc…or to “only eat a very small piece” etc.
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HNA444
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I don’t get how anyone who dies with a venial sin will go to Heaven for sure. Because, lots of people in this world (and lots of those who kill, etc.) probably don’t know what they do is a MORTAL sin, so that would mean that they go to Heaven? I just think even if someone only has a venial sin, doesn’t automatically mean they would go to Heaven.
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Bookcat
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- One does not have to call it a “moral sin” for it to be such…via natural law…reason etc persons can know certain things are very bad…
- A person in the state of grace who has venial sin …will need to be purified of that sin…either before they die or after…before heaven.
- We are saved by Jesus Christ…entering the state of grace by faith and baptism…and remaining living in Christ (or by the grace of Confession etc returning if such is lost) Now God can take into account those who through no fault of their own do know come to know Christ and his Church…and God is not bound by the Sacraments he can come with his grace in ways we do not know…but it is still Jesus Christ who saves those who are saved…
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