Can one pray in tongues while in mortal sin?

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The thread title is specifying praying in Tongues. This is not the same gift which is mentioned in 1 Corinthians, chapter 12.

Once received, the common Holy Spirit gift of prayer tongues is permanent. Therefore, praying in Tongues can be used when one is in the State of Mortal Sin.
 
David, If you have involved in that kind of prayer, then you would understand better of what is intended to be discussed. I am surprise to know that people can pray in tongues, while in a state of a mortal sin. How can your inner being communicate with the Holy Spirit when that inner being is stained with mortal sin. That is awful. I think that is not really in the spirit of prayer. He/she might be in the ‘spirit’ of something else.
Because anyone can “pray in tongues”. It’s not a special gift given to some, it’s basically what babies do when learning to speak, i.e. making sounds that don’t mean anything.
 
Because anyone can “pray in tongues”. It’s not a special gift given to some, it’s basically what babies do when learning to speak, i.e. making sounds that don’t mean anything.
Interesting point about babies. As a mother of six, baby sounds often mean “Get the poop out of my diapers.” or “I am about to die from starvation so you better feed me soon or you will only have five kids instead of six.”
 
Because anyone can “pray in tongues”. It’s not a special gift given to some, it’s basically what babies do when learning to speak, i.e. making sounds that don’t mean anything.
I don’t think that everyone can pray in tongues. Everyone can pretend to be praying in tongue; but not everyone can pray in tongues. This is a gift from the Holy Spirit. I don’t have that gift, I pretend to have it and either make a fool of myself or deceive some into thinking that I am; but would not be praying in tongues; unless the Holy Spirit has given me that gift. It may sound life gibberish to some, but not to the Holy Spirit nor Satan and his demons.
 
David, If you have involved in that kind of prayer, then you would understand better of what is intended to be discussed. I am surprise to know that people can pray in tongues, while in a state of a mortal sin. How can your inner being communicate with the Holy Spirit when that inner being is stained with mortal sin. That is awful. I think that is not really in the spirit of prayer. He/she might be in the ‘spirit’ of something else.
I think the gifts of the Holy Spirit are permanent. I speak from experience; I have some gifts that I think I was either born with them or they were infused at my baptism; which happened only days after I was born. Even when I have been in mortal sin; I’ve had the gifts. I met a couple of people that have the gift of healing; one is an acolyte (?) an has been a serious practicing Catholic all his life, but the other is kind of like a cafeteria Catholic. They both have the gift and it is permanent.

I hesitate to point to priests; because I know ordination changes let’s say the molecular structure, if you will, of their spirit. This does not happen to people who have been given gifts from the Holy Spirit. Once we die the gifts will be gone - because we would know. There will be no use for them; while with priests it is different. But, I point to priests just to point out where you can see that a person can be in mortal sin yet serve Our Lord or in the case of gifts from the Holy Spirit - well, the Church.

I just think that people became too restrictive after the middle ages; and tried to tuck away all the supernatural experiences; and it cannot be hidden anymore and is bursting out of the Church.
 
As a cradle Catholic (who in my late 30s went over to evangelical Christianity for a time since I heard the GOSPEL for what seemed to me the first time), no one ever spoke about praying in “tongues” as I grew up (Catholic education, 12 years). Then I went into the evangelical Christian movement and, voila, suddenly there were people doing it. Others would sometimes (not always) “interpret” (out loud) what was said.
I don’t think speaking in tongues is a new thing in the Catholic Church, but it has been as prominent as it is now. My cousin’s wife, who was born in the early 1950’s since a child spoke/prayed in tongues. The priests normally guide a person with a gift to practice their faith and be a good example etc… and imitate Jesus.

There is a woman who has the stigmata (my nosy cousin tried to meet via some of her neighbors 🙂 ) but the woman is just a pious practicing Catholic and she keeps private. But, of course, her priests knows and her bishop. To say, gifts, stigmata, spiritual experiences, are not necessarily things people go public with but this does not mean they have not been happening nor that they are not part of our faith.

People can mis-use these gifts to their own detriment. Let it go to their head and the it would work against their salvation. This is the reason it is super important to stay and be under the authority of a bishop or their priests.
 
I don’t think that everyone can pray in tongues. Everyone can pretend to be praying in tongue; but not everyone can pray in tongues. This is a gift from the Holy Spirit. I don’t have that gift, I pretend to have it and either make a fool of myself or deceive some into thinking that I am; but would not be praying in tongues; unless the Holy Spirit has given me that gift. It may sound life gibberish to some, but not to the Holy Spirit nor Satan and his demons.
“I don’t think that everyone can pray in tongues.”

The reason that the Catholic Charismatic Renewal teaches that there are two, yes two, distinct, different, separate gifts of the Holy Spirit which employ the use of Tongues is that one gift is the common gift of praying in Tongues. Common means that everyone can receive the Holy Spirit gift of praying in Tongues. It should be obvious that persons have to know about that gift and then freely decide to properly seek that gift. Once the gift is known and a person seeks that gift, the Holy Spirit responds in the affirmative. Then this gift becomes permanent. Obviously, a person can use it or not.
 
Getting back to the original question…

Yes, according to Catholic theology one can pray in tongues in a state of mortal sin. As Samson01 points out, tongues is an actual grace; to be more specific, gratia gratis data, “grace freely given,” which also includes prophesy and other charismata (c.f. S.T. IIa, Q. 111, a4). God gives them to whom he will, when he will (usually for the benefit of someone *other *than the person exercising the gift). A classic example is Caiaphas seeking the blood of our Divine Lord, all the while exercising the gift of prophesy: “…it is expedient for you that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not” (Jn. 11:50).

God is of course always free to give grace of any kind to whomever he will, whenever he will; but whereas we can *expect *grace from the institutions and the means that he ordained (the sacraments; prayer and acts of virtue performed in a state of grace, etc), there is no divine institution which infallibly imparts gratia gratis data. And whereas sanctifying grace is lost to those in mortal sin, the charismata can still be exercised. (In fact, one can still have faith in a state of mortal sin.)
 
I don’t think that everyone can pray in tongues. Everyone can pretend to be praying in tongue; but not everyone can pray in tongues. This is a gift from the Holy Spirit. I don’t have that gift, I pretend to have it and either make a fool of myself or deceive some into thinking that I am; but would not be praying in tongues; unless the Holy Spirit has given me that gift. It may sound life gibberish to some, but not to the Holy Spirit nor Satan and his demons.
Yes I agree with you to a point - I feel like praying in tongues is silly personally, but if it works for them, fine. But charismatic people are insistent that praying in tongues is not the same as speaking in tongues, it is just “loosening your tongue” if you will and the words have no meaning. I’m just respecting their definition. Anyone can do it: kids often do it as a joke pretending to be from a foreign country. So I don’t see how the presence of mortal sin would affect one’s ability to vocalise sounds that have no meaning.
 
Yes I agree with you to a point - I feel like praying in tongues is silly personally, but if it works for them, fine. But charismatic people are insistent that praying in tongues is not the same as speaking in tongues, it is just “loosening your tongue” if you will and the words have no meaning. I’m just respecting their definition. Anyone can do it: kids often do it as a joke pretending to be from a foreign country. So I don’t see how the presence of mortal sin would affect one’s ability to vocalise sounds that have no meaning.
Well, as far as respecting what they are saying…:rolleyes: keep in mind there are over 100 million members of the CCR. That’s a lot of people. It’s like a non-Catholic saying, well, a Catholic told me such and such - well, we have to make sure it is a teaching of the Church. There are plenty of Catholics who have rationalized teachings and adjusted their practice in accordance with their lifestyle. Then there are those as I was for a good part of my life, that are ignorant of the teachings - I still working on that. 😊

As a child of the Church, when I am learning something new, I take root in her teachings and with a careful discernment process proceed to learn or grasp the new information which must coherently fit in and be in harmony with the rest. When something is not in harmony, I step back and try to figure out what is going on and vice versa.

I don’t think that people are speaking glossolalia who just will it and start of their own accord making nonsense sounds. Again, my understanding is that Satan and his demons understand and so does the Holy Spirit. So, I can’t just will to speak in tongues to express myself to the Lord and just start repeating things - coco loco, coco loco etc…😃 Ha, ha. This is not the way it works. It is a Gift of the Holy Spirit.

Furthermore, I do not think that just because a person asks they will be given the gift of speaking in tongues; be that glossolalia or xenoglossia. People have different spiritual needs etc… and someone may not want that ‘weird’ gift of glossolalia (like Padre Fortea) but the Holy Spirit gives it. Even though the Holy Spirit is a gentlemen, he may give a gift that we think we do not want but in actuallity is the best one for us to serve and with the will the person has in general to serve - this opens the person to receive it and for the Holy Spirit to give it.

I am not familiar with Padre Emiliano. I was just watching a video of his. When I was living in France a long time ago a friend went out of her way to tell me that Padre Emiliano was going to be that coming weekend in Lyon. I lived not to far, in Grenoble. But, I didn’t go. The big deal was that he was a famous priests and he was ‘from’ (he was actually Canadian but served in the DR) the Dominican Republic - where I was born. My cousins knew him and are all very familiar with CCR. They go to meetings constantly in Santiago - where Padre Emiliano served. They continue the same meetings.

Anyway, I was just watching a videos of him (instead of doing my homwork) and he said that not everyone receives the gift of tongues. So, he confirms what I stated earlier. It just makes sense. He mentions a Dominican women who in one of the meetings started pretending to be speaking in glossolalia and was saying chon chon chon — and the Priest said that is not glossolalia - that is what we call in Canada (his old country) a pig. youtube.com/watch?v=MJ9hzUzg_zE
 
Yes I agree with you to a point - I feel like praying in tongues is silly personally, but if it works for them, fine. But charismatic people are insistent that praying in tongues is not the same as speaking in tongues, it is just “loosening your tongue” if you will and the words have no meaning. I’m just respecting their definition. Anyone can do it: kids often do it as a joke pretending to be from a foreign country. So I don’t see how the presence of mortal sin would affect one’s ability to vocalise sounds that have no meaning.
It sounds like that prayers to God have no meaning. :o
 
I thank you for your apology and it is accepted with lots of love but you may want to re-read those sections on the gift of tongues because either I misunderstood you or you are saying that there are two different types of gifts of tongues. I would disagree with you if that is what you are saying. First Paul just mentions some of the gifts given and later he discusses it a little more but its the same gift of tongues. Paul never says there is this kind here and another kind over there.
God bless you and you family!
There is a big difference in the Holy Spirit gifts which employ Tongues.

1 Corinthians chapter 12 illustrates Paul’s difference between the classical list of Holy Gifts – also known as ministries within the Catholic Church – and the common gift of praying in Tongues which Paul references in 1 Corinthians,chapter 14.

The Catholic Charismatic Renewal takes the *mention *of the nine special gifts as serious stuff in the Catholic Church.
 
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