tom.wineman said:
They are not sidestepping the issue.
That doesn’t answer my question of why did Jesus, out of all the people in the world, out of all the men, come to a woman first when he was resurrected? Why did he speak to Mary Magdalene before he spoke to the 11 disciples?
You’ve just contradicted yourself, you say men and women are equal, yet men are allowed to be priests and women are not. This is not equal.
Well I haven’t seen many men baring children have you? What does baring children have to do with becoming a priest? A woman doesn’t have to become a mother if she doesn’t wish to be.
St Theresa and St Catherine where both Nun’s, itsn’t it expected of Nun’s to talk about God?
Well I think you are wrong, the world is not the same as it was several hundred years ago, like it or not. Why do you think so many young people, people my own age are turning their backs on the Church. I see it at school, all the kids hate the church and when you ask them why, they say it is because it is “old fashioned” and “outdated”. I go to an all Catholic girls school of 1200 pupils, less than a fifth of them are practising Catholics, almost everyone disagrees with the Church’s stance against women priests and contraception. I don’t know about you but this makes me really angry and I want it to change. I feel the Catholic Church alienates people half the time, particulary women and homosexual people.
The authority most specifically IS denied!!! HH Pope John Paul II of happy memory said that the Church did not have the authority to ordain women! That is a most explicit denial, esp. in light of the phrase “in order to remove all doubt,” which makes it binding in the teachings of the Magisterium!
That is a secularist notion. The genders are equal, but not interchangeable. They are equal, but not the same. Their roles are different.
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To the extent that your relationship with God is one of respect for His wishes, that you recognize that the Catholic Church was established as He wished, and you choose to disagree with the authority of the Pope on matters of the faith, then what the pope says has A LOT to do with your relationship with God.
It is not that the Church does not allow the ordination of women. It is that God did not give the Church power to ordain women. There is no choice or discussion since it is simply not an option.A women can be a priest but the church does not allow it at this time. There is nothing biological that prevents a women from performing priestly duties. I realize I’m playing with sematics here but I just wanted to point that outit’s really all about tradition, though theologically based, it is a theology sprung from gender oppressive times.
At this point, I believe the Pope banned this topic from even being put on the table for discussion. So, this Catholic girl will faithfully follow the Church and keep my trap closed hehehe. However, I think I can talk about married priests which I think they should be able to!! but don’t hate me for that comment
CurlyD said:
Because He chose to. That doesn’t make Mary of Magela an Apostle, now does it
It would only be a contradiction if ‘equal’ meant ‘same’ it does not.
See the above, bearing children is the form of life God intended for women, bearing the Eucharist is the form God intended for males.
No, God, in His Wisdom chose our roles for us. It is not our place to question His Plan.
So, in other words, you agree that women have a teaching role in the Church already.
Huh, so you are saying that the Holy Spirit was incapable of doing it another way, if God had so chosen?
Jesus broke lots of cultural taboos. He spoke to Samaritan women at well, He associated with sinners and lepers. He cured on Sabbath. He contrdicted the Mosaic Law and prohibited Divorce and forgave Adulters. But you seem to imply that this one cultural taboo was too much for God to overcome.
Thank you ElizabethAnne, that is the precise answer.
Yawn.
God did not choose roles for us, we chose the roles for ourselves.
In the Oxford English Dictionary an Apostle is defined as “any of the twelve men sent forth by christ to preach the gospel”, this is wrong anyway as Jesus only sent forth eleven as Judas had already commited suicide by this time. “Sent forth to preach the gospel”, in the Bible Mary Magdalene is the first person he asks to tell the good news, is this not correct? Why would Jesus ask a woman to preach the gospel if we are so incapable of doing it?
The point I am trying to make, that you so happily keep ignoring, is that women were regarded as second class citizens at that time, they weren’t educated like men were, they didn’t have the same roles in society but times have changed and now we are finally seen as equals but the Church refuses to accept us as so.
Yes but it is not enough. Women have shown right the way through the Bible that we are perfectly capable of understanding and teaching the gospel. There are female prophets (Huldah), Judges (Deborah), Apostles (Junia). Why? Why then can we not be Priests?
Unless you are some kind of robot or something, you will have questioned God at some point in your life, everyone does, it is part of human nature. If we don’t question anything, how we are supposed to learn and understand?
Yes and they crucified him.
The Church regards women in high esteem if you’d only take the time to read the papers written about humanity, the role of women, etc.
Is that an attemp to address my point about the Greco-Roman culture already using priestess?
It is fine to question. But the purpose of a question is to recieve an answer, is it not?