Can Protestants celebrate the Ordinary Form Mass?

[LilyM]

Well, the prayers of the Mass contain prayers for the Pope, for the dead, and invocations of Mary and the Saints. Most non-Catholics would be unwiling to engage in at least the first, if not all three.

And intent and purpose matter as much as form… If you say the words of institution, but believe that what you are instituting is a mere symbol rather tha the Real Presence, saying those same words becomes a radically differe t act

 

[AlbMagno]

Protestants were invited to Trent.

Did they? That must have been unconfortable…

 

[Gorgias]

3335:

he told me that the New Mass (Novus Ordo) can be celebrated by Protestants because the liturgy was created by Protestant in 2nd Vatican council.

I’m (still) a Protestant minister, and that’s plain false.

The Protestants did not create the New Order of the Mass. There were a few Protestant observers at the council, who did just that: observe.

And, let’s take it a step further: the foundation of the argument is flawed not only in that the Novus Ordo wasn’t “created by a Protestant”, but also in that it wasn’t created “in the Second Vatican Council.”

So… definitely “no” to the question, with a side of “your friend’s got his facts all confused”.

 

[3335]

Thanks for clearing the doubt but I was hearing a Dominican priest who said that Novus Ordo has finished the essence of the liturgy.
He was from Famita center YouTube channel.

 

[Fauken]

Thanks for clearing the doubt but I was hearing a Dominican priest who said that Novus Ordo has finished the essence of the liturgy.

We Dominicans are not right all the time. We have no authority to declare whether or not Protestants can celebrate Mass, or whether a given form of Mass is valid or not. As if they even could begin to try to do so with invalid Holy Orders. In fact, that seems to be the underlying idea: if the OF can be celebrated by Protestants, and the Mass can only be celebrated by validly ordained priests, then the OF is not a valid Mass.

Did that Dominican happen to say which province he’s a part of?

He was from Famita center YouTube channel.

And you’ve been told the Fatima Center is not in good standing.

 

[3335]

I hope you can see this video , if you get some time to rest (free).

 

[Fauken]

“Father Albert Kallio, O.P. is a traditional Dominican priest. Originally from Canada, Father studied in Italy and France and was ordained in 1994. Since then he has traveled around the world, preaching and teaching, as well as writing for several publications. Since late 2013, he has been the superior of the traditional Dominicans in Steffeshausen, Belgium.”

It appears that community was propped up by the SSPX. The SSPX has no authority to set up Dominican communities. They can call themselves what they want and wear our habit, but they are not Dominicans.

 

[3335]

Ok. Thanks for clarifying.
By the way , What do you think that if the future the Novus Ordo is abolished and the Tridentine mass comes back .
Will the church attendence increase?

 

[Fauken]

I don’t know. But I think outright abolishing it would only anger a bunch of Catholics. Turning back the clock isn’t the answer: this isn’t 1962. Instead, we should be trying to incorporate more parts of the 1962 liturgy into the OF while retaining the new good things the OF has.

 

[3335]

Thanks for answering . I believe that the NO in the future be celebrated Ad Orientem.

 

[Fauken]

Sure, but it already can be and is. Ad Orientum isn’t something solely done with the EF.

 

[3335]

Yeah.
I know but I believe Ad Orientum does 2 things -
1.Makes the people feel the presence of God in the eucharist .
2. We don’t have to waste money on building new Altar (money saving) , first we should use the old ones then construct a new one.

 

[otjm]

I am not here to parse out Catholic theology; someone who was baptized in a Catholic Church and hasn’t darkened the door since their first Communion will very possibly respond that they are a Catholic - and to which I was referring.

Someone baptized in the Assembly of God branch of Protestantism is extremely unlikely to self identify as a Catholic.

Your correction notwithstanding. And those baptisms, such as Jehovah’s Witness and LDS notwithstanding also.

And as my reference was to women who had been in the Catholic Church at the time of their alleged “ordination”, as opposed, say, to the Anglican and/or Episcopalian faith, and those I was referencing were Catholics, not “Assmbly of God members who don’t self identify as Catholic”.

 

[dochawk]

I believe that the NO in the future be celebrated Ad Orientem.

actually, the Ordinary Form is normatively celebrated ad orientium. There are are multiple points at which thge priest is instructed in them to turn towards the congregation.

ad populum is an option for the priest, which is almost universally chosen.

similarly for the use of the vernacular–latin is still normative.

 

[TomH1]

Can Protestants celebrate the Ordinary Form Mass? Yes, of course, they can. Who is going to stop them? Indeed, some do. There are Anglicans who call themselves Anglo-Catholic who celebrate the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite. I suspect a great many of those are far more faithful to doing the red and saying the black than we Catholics sometimes are. A more pertinent question is should they use it?

However, for them it is just another liturgy; although, they do not believe that. They may as well be saying Morning Prayer or praying the Rosary. Protestants do not have valid sacred orders. They will almost without doubt use proper matter and say the correct form. The minister will undoubtedly have the right intent. However, he lacks the power of orders so the Eucharist will not be confected. Those who attend such services (and they do not discriminate about who receives ‘communion’*) will eat unleavened bread and drink (usually red) wine with a small volume of water added. They will not receive the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Anglo-Catholic clergy use the Roman Rite illicitly even under their own laws as the Church of England, which is the one Anglican community I know about, prohibits its use. I have mentioned Anglicans but I cannot think of any other Protestant ecclesial community that would want to use our liturgy.

*They do not quite allow anyone to take ‘communion’. They usually permit it to anybody who is baptised and belongs to a Trinitarian church.

 

[Angannas]

Well, the prayers of the Mass contain prayers for the Pope, for the dead, and invocations of Mary and the Saints. Most non-Catholics would be unwiling to engage in at least the first, if not all three.

I would have said the opposite, most non-orthodox, non-catholics would be reluctant to engage in the last two, but would be quite happy to pray for the pope