Can raped girls abort?

[Rence]

Yep! In order for it to be usend in a moral way, tests must determine that ovulaiton has NOT taken place.

May I please ask why? Contraception prevents ovulation. So why would you “test” to determine that ovulation has not taken place before administering emergency contraception? The object of EC is to prevent ovulation. If ovulation has already taken place, EC has no effect on a current pregnancy. However, the longer you wait, the more likely ovulation might happen, especially if the woman in question doesn’t have a regular reliable cycle. The object is to stop ovulation before it occurs. It does nothing after the fact.

 

[jmcrae]

May I please ask why? Contraception prevents ovulation. So why would you “test” to determine that ovulation has not taken place before administering emergency contraception? The object of EC is to prevent ovulation. If ovulation has already taken place, EC has no effect on a current pregnancy.

Emergency contraception, aka the “morning after pill,” is chemically designed to induce an abortion if ovulation has already taken place - they state this quite openly in their advertising; it’s one of the “features” of this product.

 

[Rence]

Emergency contraception, aka the “morning after pill,” is chemically designed to induce an abortion if ovulation has already taken place - they state this quite openly in their advertising; it’s one of the “features” of this product.

Honestly, I don’t mean to be stubborn, but every medical and governmental site I’ve checked says that the morning after pill/plan B, prevents conception and will not induce an abortion. Please show me which manufacturer’s site because there are over 20 manufacturers of EC. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong, but so far I have found nothing that would suggest that. The resources I have found all say the same thing. They say that it takes up to 24 hours for conception to even take place. They say to take the EC immediately to prevent conception. They all say that it is not effective if already pregnant. So if you have a legitimate source, it would be helpful for me to know that. It’s important for me to know if it really does cause abortions like you say.

The quote above came from a women’s health textbook.

The following comes from
womenshealth.gov/faq/emergency-contraception.cfm#l

which states in response to confusion regarding Plan B which differs from Mifeprex, which DOES cause abortions:
*No. Emergency contraception works before pregnancy begins. It will not work if a woman is already pregnant. Abortion takes place after a fertilized egg has attached to the uterus. The abortion pill (Mifeprex, also called RU-486) makes the uterus force out the egg, ending the pregnancy. *

on the Plan B One-Step website, the faq states
planbonestep.com/plan-b-faq.aspx

*8. What if I’m already pregnant and use Plan B® One-Step?
There is no medical evidence that Plan B® One-Step would harm a developing baby. If you take Plan B® One-Step accidentally after you’re already pregnant, or it doesn’t work and you become pregnant, it’s not likely to cause any harm to you or your pregnancy. Plan B® One-Step will not disrupt or affect an existing pregnancy. *

and

*12. What warnings should I know about when using Plan B® One-Step?
Do not use Plan B® One-Step:
•If you’re already pregnant, because it won’t work *

If the manufactere’s website states what you said, it’s not easy to find. And it certainly isn’t a “feature” of the product.

 

[jmcrae]

Honestly, I don’t mean to be stubborn, but every medical and governmental site I’ve checked says that the morning after pill/plan B, prevents conception and will not induce an abortion. Please show me which manufacturer’s site because there are over 20 manufacturers of EC. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong, but so far I have found nothing that would suggest that. The resources I have found all say the same thing. They say that it takes up to 24 hours for conception to even take place. They say to take the EC immediately to prevent conception. They all say that it is not effective if already pregnant. So if you have a legitimate source, it would be helpful for me to know that. It’s important for me to know if it really does cause abortions like you say.

The quote above came from a women’s health textbook.

The following comes from
womenshealth.gov/faq/emergency-contraception.cfm#l

which states in response to confusion regarding Plan B which differs from Mifeprex, which DOES cause abortions:
*No. Emergency contraception works before pregnancy begins. It will not work if a woman is already pregnant. Abortion takes place after a fertilized egg has attached to the uterus. The abortion pill (Mifeprex, also called RU-486) makes the uterus force out the egg, ending the pregnancy. *

on the Plan B One-Step website, the faq states
planbonestep.com/plan-b-faq.aspx

*8. What if I’m already pregnant and use Plan B® One-Step?
There is no medical evidence that Plan B® One-Step would harm a developing baby. If you take Plan B® One-Step accidentally after you’re already pregnant, or it doesn’t work and you become pregnant, it’s not likely to cause any harm to you or your pregnancy. Plan B® One-Step will not disrupt or affect an existing pregnancy. *

and

*12. What warnings should I know about when using Plan B® One-Step?
Do not use Plan B® One-Step:
•If you’re already pregnant, because it won’t work *

If the manufactere’s website states what you said, it’s not easy to find. And it certainly isn’t a “feature” of the product.

Any loss of the fertilized egg is an abortion, regardless of whether it has attached to the uterine wall, yet. But yes, Mifeprex was the product I was actually thinking of. Thanks!

 

[Rence]

Any loss of the fertilized egg is an abortion, regardless of whether it has attached to the uterine wall, yet. But yes, Mifeprex was the product I was actually thinking of. Thanks!

Whew!! I’m relieved. However, if you do find something of use. Please send it to me, and I’ll forward it to my instructor because as a student nurse, I need to know all these things. Mifeprex is confused for EC a lot.

You’re right loss of fertilized egg as being an abortion, that’s why EC is used to try and prevent it from happening in the first place.

And I thought about this after I left to go do evening chores. Both of us didn’t consider the reality of the situation, which is, is a girl heaven forbid gets raped and goes to the hospital. It’s going to be just her and the doctor and nurse and no one else. It’s going to be a right there-right now situation. No pro-lifers and no pro-choicers. There will be a specially trained rape crisis nurse and someone from social services there. And the best we can do in situations like this is educate people of what the Church’s stance is, and the physiology, the drug information, etc. BEFORE anything bad happens. So that girls/women in this terrible situation are educated and know what decisions to make. Kind of like what we’re doing here.

For those women who are too battered to think about reporting it and getting help, they’ll most-likely be the ones with an unwanted pregnancy and will most need the support and counsel. And of course, those who still conceived after EC. This is where the Church steps in to help, because they’ll be there to do so.

 

[Jermosh]

Any loss of the fertilized egg is an abortion, regardless of whether it has attached to the uterine wall, yet. But yes, Mifeprex was the product I was actually thinking of. Thanks!

But this can happen with other drugs and can happen naturally as well, this is not the same thing as Abortion.

 

[that_name]

May I please ask why? Contraception prevents ovulation. So why would you “test” to determine that ovulation has not taken place before administering emergency contraception? The object of EC is to prevent ovulation. If ovulation has already taken place, EC has no effect on a current pregnancy. However, the longer you wait, the more likely ovulation might happen, especially if the woman in question doesn’t have a regular reliable cycle. The object is to stop ovulation before it occurs. It does nothing after the fact.

Read the package insert in any kind of chemical birth control, including the “morning after pill”. These chemicals make the woman’s body hostile to and will not allow a tiny baby to implant and grow. If the woman has ovulated and concieved, they give her an abortion. They were designed to kill.

 

[that_name]

But this can happen with other drugs and can happen naturally as well, this is not the same thing as Abortion.

If the PUROSE of the med is to prevent implantation, as it is with every single commercial birth control medication, it IS a direct abortion. Life begins at conception folks.

Sounds as if you have been well brainwashed by the secular world.

Natural spontaneous abortions are the same as every other natural death, they are in the hands of God.

 

[that_name]

to confusion regarding Plan B which differs from Mifeprex, which DOES cause abortions:
No. Emergency contraception works before pregnancy begins. It will not work if a woman is already pregnant. Abortion takes place after a fertilized egg has attached to the uterus. The abortion pill (Mifeprex, also called RU-486) makes the uterus force out the egg, ending the pregnancy.

See, they have re-defined pregnancy.

Life begins at conception. That fertilized egg is a baby. It is a human being.

By not allowing it to implant, you kill that child and abort him.

A Catholic can never participate in a direct abortion, this includes participation in keeping a newly concieved human from attaching to the uterus.

 

[Rence]

Emergency contraception works before pregnancy begins. It will not work if a woman is already pregnant. Abortion takes place after a fertilized egg has attached to the uterus. The abortion pill (Mifeprex, also called RU-486) makes the uterus force out the egg, ending the pregnancy.

See, they have re-defined pregnancy.

Life begins at conception. That fertilized egg is a baby. It is a human being.

By not allowing it to implant, you kill that child and abort him.

A Catholic can never participate in a direct abortion, this includes participation in keeping a newly concieved human from attaching to the uterus.

Please try not to get upset and read the sentence again: That was a reference to the abortion pill. That sentence was comparing EC (which inhibits ovulation) with the abortion pill (which forces out and prevents implantation).

 

[estesbob]

See, they have re-defined pregnancy.

Life begins at conception. That fertilized egg is a baby. It is a human being.

By not allowing it to implant, you kill that child and abort him.

A Catholic can never participate in a direct abortion, this includes participation in keeping a newly concieved human from attaching to the uterus.

The idea that conception does not occur until implantatopn began as a marketing ploy in the late 50s with the development of the IUD(which prevented implantation) The pharmaceutical industry stated a campaign to change the definition of coneption from fertilization to implantation. there is NO scientific basis to support this poasitin.

 

[estesbob]

Honestly, I don’t mean to be stubborn, but every medical and governmental site I’ve checked says that the morning after pill/plan B, prevents conception and will not induce an abortion. Please show me which manufacturer’s site because there are over 20 manufacturers of EC. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong, but so far I have found nothing that would suggest that. The resources I have found all say the same thing. They say that it takes up to 24 hours for conception to even take place. They say to take the EC immediately to prevent conception. They all say that it is not effective if already pregnant. So if you have a legitimate source, it would be helpful for me to know that. It’s important for me to know if it really does cause abortions like you say.

The quote above came from a women’s health textbook.

The following comes from
womenshealth.gov/faq/emergency-contraception.cfm#l

which states in response to confusion regarding Plan B which differs from Mifeprex, which DOES cause abortions:
*No. Emergency contraception works before pregnancy begins. It will not work if a woman is already pregnant. Abortion takes place after a fertilized egg has attached to the uterus. The abortion pill (Mifeprex, also called RU-486) makes the uterus force out the egg, ending the pregnancy. *

on the Plan B One-Step website, the faq states
planbonestep.com/plan-b-faq.aspx

*8. What if I’m already pregnant and use Plan B® One-Step? *
*There is no medical evidence that Plan B® One-Step would harm a developing baby. If you take Plan B® One-Step accidentally after you’re already pregnant, or it doesn’t work and you become pregnant, it’s not likely to cause any harm to you or your pregnancy. Plan B® One-Step will not disrupt or affect an existing pregnancy. *

and

*12. What warnings should I know about when using Plan B® One-Step? *
*Do not use Plan B® One-Step: *
*•If you’re already pregnant, because it won’t work *

If the manufactere’s website states what you said, it’s not easy to find. And it certainly isn’t a “feature” of the product.

You are confuisng “implantation” with “conception”. Plan B prevents the former-not the latter.

 

[Rence]

You are confuisng “implantation” with “conception”. Plan B prevents the former-not the latter.

Are you kidding me? I am not the one confused. Conception occurs before implantion. Conception can ONLY occur with ovulation. Therefore, if you prevent ovulation, you prevent conception, which means, there is nothing to implant. I am most certainly not confused about what I wrote and what I quoted. You took exactly what I said (please refer to all of my above posts) and flipped it. Why?

Plan B prevents ovulation as quoted in ALL of my posts from four different sources.
The abortion pill, on the other hand, forces a fertized egg out before it can implant.
The two are completely different products, and this is not a confusing concept.

Please cite where you get your information, as I have cited where I got my information.

 

[FMLJoliecouer]

It’s not an either/or, never has been, never will be. That’s the strawman the proabortion side and other antiCatholics put up to defame the Church. I wish that the whole Church would start a (worldwide) campaign to put large billboards up on every corner stating “WE DON’T FAVOR THE CHILD’S LIFE OVER THE MOTHER. WE LOVE AND CHERISH AND TRY TO SAVE BOTH” Then there should be phone numbers and websites and addresses for all the agencies available to help women in any crisis pregnancy situation.

In Christ,

Ellen

I am neither anti Catholic,nor pro-abortion…
For example…there was a case where a woman found out she had cancer…I saw it on television…a long time ago…I no longer watch televsion
She was already pregnant, but the cancer treatment she needed would cause the baby to die…she choose to not get treatment…and her baby lived …but she died…THey took the baby out early , as the mother was not going to make it til 9 mons…but its what she wanted…I dont know how her husband felt about it…but I guess he had no say…Im sure he would have rather had his wife than the baby with no wife…

All I am saying…is you do not know what you would do if put in some of the situations some women are in who do not know GOd and do not see human life that way God does…to condemn the actions of another means you are GOd and that you have never sinned yourself.

 

[st_lucy]

All I am saying…is you do not know what you would do if put in some of the situations some women are in who do not know GOd and do not see human life that way God does…to condemn the actions of another means you are GOd and that you have never sinned yourself.

I am not sure anyone is judging the salvation another, which would make them God, but pointing out the sin.

Just because one does not know God does not give them a free pass. If my neighbor is an atheist and decides one day to kill his wife. I happen to find out about it, but knowing that he is an atheist and does not God, should I not try to point out to him his error? Would it not be in fact not only a sin upon myself as well on himself to not do anything in my power to stop such an act?

As pro-lifers we are doing the same. There are many aspects of the pro-life movement. You may only be familiar with the part of where people will stand out side of the abortion mills. This is a very noble and good thing to do. But there are also other parts as listed in the through out this thread. Clothing and housing the mothers and children. There are also counseling given to those who have had abortion.

We are called as Christians to help lead our fellow men, with and through the help of the Holy Spirit as well with humility, away from sin. And if we sit back and never point out the sin then we ourselves in turn sinning. These are opportunities for us to be part of God’s plan do not miss the boat.

 

[Jermosh]

If the PUROSE of the med is to prevent implantation, as it is with every single commercial birth control medication, it IS a direct abortion. Life begins at conception folks.

Sounds as if you have been well brainwashed by the secular world.

Natural spontaneous abortions are the same as every other natural death, they are in the hands of God.

No its not, otherwise the Church would not allow ECs in this case.

Using this type of logic, a woman should not drink, or take medical care just in case.

 

[that_name]

Are you kidding me? I am not the one confused. Conception occurs before implantion. Conception can ONLY occur with ovulation. Therefore, if you prevent ovulation, you prevent conception, which means, there is nothing to implant. I am most certainly not confused about what I wrote and what I quoted. You took exactly what I said (please refer to all of my above posts) and flipped it. Why?

Plan B prevents ovulation as quoted in ALL of my posts from four different sources.
The abortion pill, on the other hand, forces a fertized egg out before it can implant.
The two are completely different products, and this is not a confusing concept.

Please cite where you get your information, as I have cited where I got my information.

From the Plan B Package insert (bold added):

planbonestep.com/PDF/PlanBPI.pdf

"CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY
Emergency contraceptives are not effective if the woman is already pregnant. Plan B® is
believed to act as an emergency contraceptive principally by preventing ovulation or fertilization
(by altering tubal transport of sperm and/or ova). **In addition, it may inhibit implantation (by
altering the endometrium). **It is not effective once the process of implantation has begun.

 

[Rence]

From the Plan B Package insert (bold added):

planbonestep.com/PDF/PlanBPI.pdf

"CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY
Emergency contraceptives are not effective if the woman is already pregnant. Plan B® is
believed to act as an emergency contraceptive principally by preventing ovulation or fertilization
(by altering tubal transport of sperm and/or ova). **In addition, it may inhibit implantation (by
altering the endometrium). **It is not effective once the process of implantation has begun.

I’ll forward it to my instructor, but I have a feeling that by the words, “In addition, it may” will probably not change anything. It looks like their really not sure what the secondary effects might be despite the primary effect being to prevent ovulation. Primary: inhibits ovulation; Secondary: not sure, but might. Rather, the literature is strewn with “will not terminate an existing pregnancy” and “acts to prevent conception” as you see in the link you provided. I guess it’ll just depend on the ER one goes to. But I’ll forward it.

 

[that_name]

I’ll forward it to my instructor, but I have a feeling that by the words, “In addition, it may” will probably not change anything. It looks like their really not sure what the secondary effects might be despite the primary effect being to prevent ovulation. Primary: inhibits ovulation; Secondary: not sure, but might. Rather, the literature is strewn with “will not terminate an existing pregnancy” and “acts to prevent conception” as you see in the link you provided. I guess it’ll just depend on the ER one goes to. But I’ll forward it.

If your instructor is not a pro life person, they will likely tell you that life begins at implantation.

It is difficult to stand strong as a Christian in the anti-life world of health care. Please, find strength with the Assn of Pro Life Nurses nursesforlife.org/

 

[Apryl]

Um… Ok… but going back to the original question:

[SIGN]Can raped girls abort?[/SIGN]

What I want to know is: WHY SHOULD THEY? What is the advantage/benefit of an abortion?

Will the next question be: can a woman have an abortion if she finds out her husband looked at another woman?

For those that disagree … can you tell me what you see as the difference?