That’s it: I’m confused
Let me type as slowly as possible.
**It’s a stumbling block for me because if God-forbid (and I pray and pray and pray it will never happen) I ever get raped, I would go immediately to the hospital for treatment and I would want the freedom of choice to take plan b to prevent a pregancy. It is very difficult for me to hear that a woman is denied the right to protect herself from further injury in the case of rape. I understand that some women can take it, and turn it into something good. I hope I never find out, but I would want that choice made available to me. I dont’ want that choice taken away from me. **
- If the church does not allow the MAP (the regular one, that may or may not prevent the pregnancy) why is that a stumbling block for you?
**Pregnancy takes time to happen after sex, up to 36 hours. I believe, for me, it would be worth the risk against time. I would want the choice to protect myself by preventing a pregnancy. Plan B works to prevent ovulation, that’s it primary action. However, beause it is a hormone, it can change the uterus so that implantation is inhibited. So, It is true, that there may be a small chance that it might prevent implantation, but if you don’t dilly dally and get it done asap, the chances are VERY high that you’re preventing ovulation. People like Tantum don’t feel the risk is worth it (and that’s their choice, understand I have no problem with that choice for them). However, I would do all I could to protect myself. **
- I believe that Tantum Ergo (and I’m pretty sure the church) does object to the MAP, on the grounds that it may not actually prevent a pregnancy, but in fact, would terminate a pregnancy (that is: KILL THE INNOCENT BABY)Again: why is killing an innocent baby a stumbling block?
**yes, that’s why I would immediately take Plan B in the case of rape - to prevent a pregnancy from happening in the first place. **
- We are still discussing ABORTION. That is, the termination of a pregnancy. In particular, the type that is done in a doctor’s office (not a spontaneous abortion, also known as a miscarriage, which I don’t believe that a woman can control).
Do you or do you not agree with the willful abortion of an unborn child?
Now… do me a favor, since I’ve already acknowledged a headache and confusion, and let’s not discuss the use of, approval of, disagreement with, or the idea of a MAP or any other artificial contraception.
**Unfortunately, that’s where my stumbling block is. **
So, to reiterate: do you or do you not agree with the willful termination of a pregnancy in the case of a child that is the product of an abortion?
** I don’t agree for me. I would get plan B asap to prevent it in the first place. If by some weirdness I was delayed for some odd reason and couldn’t take it within the 36 hours, then I personally wouldn’t take any further action. However, considering how horrified I am of the thought if becoming pregnant as a result of rape (or even the very thought of being raped), I would not deny someone else one. That’s their choice. It’s not a choice for me, but I can’t deny that choice to someone who doesn’t follow the rules of the Church. If they don’t believe it’s wrong and they don’t follow the rules of the Church, they shouldn’t be subject to the rules of the Church. **
I don’t want anyone’s options to be taken away. That’s my point. If someone gets raped, I don’t want their options taken away. I want them to HAVE options and for whatever decision to be their choice. How is that being disrespectful? My problem is with MY options being taken away. I want the options to be chosen by me, not someone else, with regards to my own welfare.Um… Rence… again, the way you post: it makes it difficult to quote you
My point remains: you seem to have no problem with disagreeing with others, and taking away their options, but if someone does the same to you, you see that as disrespect and stomping on your ideas.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Imo let you figure out what the last comment means.
Heck, something as easy as getting him a younger sibling would have done wonders for him - he was an only child, and spoiled beyond belief. He came into adulthood believing without question that the whole world had been created to be his toy, and if it wouldn’t do what he wanted it to do, he was allowed to punish it. If he’d even once during his childhood been required to put someone else ahead of himself, it would have made a world of difference.… and if you knew that he was going to be a mass murderer, you could PREVENT him from BECOMING that mass murderer!
Get the kid into therapy (in the 1920s, that was like sending him to camp or on an organized team for sports) and influence him in ways to prevent his becoming that horrible monster.
Thanx
In real life, face to face situations, do you have this much trouble being understood?
Well, I’m glad you’re feeling better, I prayed that you wouldThanx
But it wasn’t a migraine (I have been getting those since I was about 10 years old). This was just a stress headache
But I’m still right. And you are most def talking in circles.
Take care of yourself and try not to stress too much For real!
Well, to answer the question and to stick to the topic on hand: “Is it okay for a raped girl to have an abortion?”. According to the CC, in the cases of rape, women don’t have any choice but to suck it up, have that child and either raise it or give it up for adoption. However, in the US, and according to the law, it is okay to have an abortion if you’ve been raped. I don’t agree with that completely. This is how I would answer the question: I believe that if a women gets raped, and gets to the hospital immediately for treatment, that she should have the option of taking Plan B to prevent a pregnancy from happening in the first place. If, for whatever reason, she does not do this, and winds up pregnant, it should be her choice to decide whether or not to have an abortion. That is my answer to the question for the topic of this thread. I believe that this post speaks for itself about what I believe regarding the topic of this thread. And while I personally, would not take any action after 36 hours because it takes up to 36 hours to conceive, it would be my choice. And the reason why the US is such a great country is because I have that choice just as other people have their choice. Please take this as my final answer, it perfectly and completely gives my answer to the question posed by the OP.
The fact that the USA allows women to kill their chidren is what keeps it from being a great country.
The problem you’re having with understanding my answers stems from the fact that you do not acknowledge that the CC teaches that ABCs ARE INDEED, AND IN FACT, ABORTIONS. Once you understand and acknowledge that teaching, I think you might understand what I’m talking about. Until you acknowledge that teaching, you won’t. It’s not me going around in circles. By avoiding the teaching of the CC regarding ABCS, and therefore not including it in my views, it is YOU who are going around in circles. Just because you close your eyes doeesn’t mean people can’t see you. Just because you’re denying a teaching of the CC doesn’t NOT mean that it doesn’t apply.In real life, face to face situations, do you have this much trouble being understood?
Do you think you could be clearer with your ‘arguments’?
Are you willing to talk about the topic at hand, rather than about something else (that is, the use of some artificial birth control… which is NOT an abortion)?
How would you answer if you were the child procreated by that rape?
I can’t answer for alix, but I can answer from my friendship with just such a person - a lovely woman steeped in her Catholic faith who recognized and honored her mother’s sacrifice in giving her life. That any such child CAN answer IS the answer.
You’re right, the OP was asking for opinions, and I gave mine as best I could. I deeply regret that you weren’t able to understand them. I tried really hard to make my opinions understood. I’m also sorry that it doesn’t agree with yours. But you have the right to your opinion. You have the right to make choices based on your beliefs and values, and I am very grateful that, so do I. I hope you feel better!! Take care of yourself!! :hug1:
This is an example a circle. Round, round, round
This is a very good circle. Move from the center, move across the center, move away from the circle, and still, it goes round, round, round.
No one is asking what the church teaches (I think we KNOW that) The OP was asking for OPINIONS.
You don’t prove your assertion. Your definition of murder is questionable, and it doesn’t follow that therefore abortion is murder. I disagree with both your premises and the validity of your argument.
Can you clarify for me what you me by the “regular one” here? Do you mean the over-the-counter version?
Yeah… uh… see…
This pill would PREVENT the pregnancy by keeping the egg and the sperm from ‘hooking up’
Your argument is not valid, philosophically speaking. The fact that when the foetus is born he or she has certain protection does not entail that therefore he or she must have that same protection before birth.
