Can raped girls abort?

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Wanting or not wanting a child is not the point. The point is, she didn’t choose to be raped, she did not consent to be raped, she did nothing to become raped. She didn’t choose, consent or do anything to be pregnant and she should have that choice.
What’s worse, rape (violating someone) or murder (killing an innocent person). If murder is worse (and it is) how can a women who is willing to kill an innocent person complain about one who merely raped her? When the abortion is complete, the women is far worse than he who raped her.

If she didn’t want the innocent person, she could have given it up for adoption rather than killing it. Or, better yet, if she is going to kill it, she should at least wait it a year or so to see if she likes the child. If she doesn’t like the child after a year, then she can make the more informed choice to kill it.
 
What’s worse, rape (violating someone) or murder (killing an innocent person). If murder is worse (and it is) how can a women who is willing to kill an innocent person complain about one who merely raped her? When the abortion is complete, the women is far worse than he who raped her.
“one who merely raped her”. Thank you for proving that rape is being trivialized. Thank you for making what I was trying to say so clear. You made my point.

To answer your question, rape is worse. Far worse.

*“the women is far worse than he who raped her”. *
Thank you again, you made my point. That is why freedom of choice is so important.
 
“one who merely raped her”. Thank you for proving that rape is being trivialized. Thank you for making what I was trying to say so clear. You made my point.
Compared to murder, rape is nothing.
To answer your question, rape is worse. Far worse.
I bet the murdered child, who never had a chance at life, would think differently.
*“the women is far worse than he who raped her”. *
Thank you again, you made my point. That is why freedom of choice is so important.
Indeed a women who aborts her own child is ***far worse ***than a man who “merely rapes her” (“merely” is being used, not to lessen the gravity of rape, but to show the gravity of murder).

If you are in favor or muder, why should you be against someone who is in favor of rape? If you are not concerned about an innocent person being murdered, explain why I, or any other man, should have a problem with a women being raped.
 
Sure, go ahead, but you’re going to spend a lot of time in jail as a result. Good luck with that 🙂
Killing a child because she came into existence in an inconvenient manner is exactly the same thing.
 
I am not a slave, I am not someone’s property, I am not chattel, I am not a second-class citizen, I am not a living incubator.
Being pregnant would never cause you to become any of these things.

A pregnant woman is a partner with God in the creation of the greatest creature on earth: a human being - a living icon of God Himself - no matter how she got that way.
 
“one who merely raped her”. Thank you for proving that rape is being trivialized. Thank you for making what I was trying to say so clear. You made my point.
The only point I saw made was a valid comparison of murder to rape.

Perhaps you know of a different one?
 
Rence, any time that you make a comparison of two things where one is ‘worse’ than the other, you aren’t ‘trivializing’ the one that is not ‘worse’.

For example:

A root canal and a wisdom tooth extraction.

Both are dental procedures, both are done for problems, both require anesthesia etc. Nobody really wants to have either procedure but on the whole, people would say a root canal is ‘worse’ than a wisdom tooth extraction. They’re neither one anything that anyone WANTS to have!

Does this ‘trivialize’ the wisdom tooth extraction? By no means. It’s simply a comparison and no person would say or argue that by stating that a root canal is ‘worse’ to undergo that this person is ‘trivializing’ a person who is undergoing a wisdom tooth extraction.
 
Sure, go ahead, but you’re going to spend a lot of time in jail as a result. Good luck with that 🙂
Your point fails.

Everyone knows the choice to commit a crime is always with us.
That is not a point of contention.
The contention is whether we wish abortion to be a legal choice or not.
I suspect you are aware of this but are deliberately missing the point.

This response shows your arguments are growing thin and strained.
And apparently you are aware of this.
 
Again, everybody–let’s remember that we are on the same ‘side’ so to speak but perhaps talking ‘past’ each other. I truly believe that we can come together.

Rence by her posts is indicating a very strong identification with the women who are raped and who might ‘appear’ to be considered as ‘not so important’.

Remember, we have had nearly 40 years of people who have been taught over and over that it’s THEIR body, and they’ve also been told that prolifers are out to DENY them choice. Prolifers have been painted as incredibly ‘insensitive’ to the women and therefore, where we see ourselves as trying to address the rights of the children, we need to remember that we first need to get past the knee-jerk type of response that has been inculcated in many that by doing so we are ‘disrespecting’ and denying women. Until we can work through this (and we can but it will take time) we’re going to have a lot of the same old “You hate women” “You hate babies” give and take which is ultimately useless.

Let’s keep the focus on the fact that despite what lies have been put out there, the Catholic (Christian/ word of God) position is actually not only more loving of the women, but that paradoxically, the so-called’ choice’ position not only leads to the women–all women–being treated worse and suffering more; plus of course the Catholic position is in addition to being better and more loving for the women, most certainly better and more loving for the children. And even better and more loving for men. We’re trying to fix the broken families and bring them together and to make women stronger and safer and more protected and capable.
 
Compared to murder, rape is nothing.

I bet the murdered child, who never had a chance at life, would think differently.

Indeed a women who aborts her own child is ***far worse ***than a man who “merely rapes her” (“merely” is being used, not to lessen the gravity of rape, but to show the gravity of murder).

If you are in favor or muder, why should you be against someone who is in favor of rape? If you are not concerned about an innocent person being murdered, explain why I, or any other man, should have a problem with a women being raped.
You obviously don’t have a problem with a woman being raped, you’ve made that very clear. I’m glad I don’t know you because I find this post and the previous one extremely offensive, insulting and degrading towards women. While I respect the right you have to your opinion, I disagree with you. We obviously are on very different sides. While you think the baby’s life trumps the mothers, I don’t share that belief. I believe the rape victim trumps any possibility of unwanted pregnancy due to rape.

But no matter how much you jump up and down about it, the fact is, rape is a crime and abortion is not. Nor is the right of a rape victim to defend herself. And I know you don’t realize this, but the type of posts like this one and your previous one is good for rape victims because it’s posts like these that will keep abortion legal.

Sorry to offend you, but you know, maybe you should consider how offensive your post is to others.
 
Ok guys, you’ve made it perfectly clear that the dignity and respect of a raped woman means nothing to you. I get that. I understand that.

But what makes you think being so offensive and unkind is going to make me see how right you are, when you have proven how wrong you are?

I’m sorry guys, but this thread has turned into poison. The vile and digusting things I’m reading regarding women is beyond horrible.

But it’s okay, you can think what you want. Because in the end, women will do what they want, when they want, and the Catholics and men can’t do a darn thing about it. So you can go ahead and attack those of us with different beliefs here on this board, but when you turn off that computer, you’re as helpless as a rape victim. The only difference is, she has a choice, and you get to watch her make her choice. Even if it was illegal, women still have a choice, and you get to watch her make it.
 
Remember, we have had nearly 40 years of people who have been taught over and over that it’s THEIR body, and they’ve also been told that prolifers are out to DENY them choice. Prolifers have been painted as incredibly ‘insensitive’ to the women and therefore, where we see ourselves as trying to address the rights of the children, we need to remember that we first need to get past the knee-jerk type of response that has been inculcated in many that by doing so we are ‘disrespecting’ and denying women. Until we can work through this (and we can but it will take time) we’re going to have a lot of the same old “You hate women” “You hate babies” give and take which is ultimately useless.

**But Tantum, a woman’s body IS her own. And prolifers DO want to deny women choice. Prolifers ARE insensitive to women, which was clearly illustrated in the past few posts. It couldn’t get any clearer. But this isn’t a Cathlolic country and women have rights over their body that no no can deny. Even in predominantly Catholic countries, such as Chile, where abortion is illegal, it is still legal in the case of rape and the threat of the woman’s life. **

Let’s keep the focus on the fact that despite what lies have been put out there, the Catholic (Christian/ word of God) position is actually not only more loving of the women, but that paradoxically, the so-called’ choice’ position not only leads to the women–all women–being treated worse and suffering more; plus of course the Catholic position is in addition to being better and more loving for the women, most certainly better and more loving for the children. And even better and more loving for men. We’re trying to fix the broken families and bring them together and to make women stronger and safer and more protected and capable.

**Well, as a woman, I don’t see this thread exemplifing any love for women. I see burning hatred for women in this thread, and I have to admit, it’s quite shocking. As a woman, I don’t see women’s rights as worse for women and more suffering for women. Women’s rights are very liberating by their very virtue that they allow women to make choices for themselves.

I used to be pro-life before coming to this forum. But the crazy things people are saying to hurt women pushed me so far to the pro-choice side, that I won’t ever be back. Because I’ll never allow someone (such as some of the posters on this site) to have an ounce of control over me. I’ll always fight for women’s rights. IRL, I’ve never encountered “Catholics” which such clear and cruel distain for women. Being here made me realize how important women’s rights are. It made me realize how wrong I was for a long time.

I never thought I could be a SANE nurse working with victims of rape, but you know, this thread has been a real eye opener for me. I thinking more and more that I should volunteer as a SANE nurse in the local area hospitals. Someone has to fight for women and their rights…**
 
Rence:

Are prolifers really insensitive to women? I’m a woman and I’m prolife. If you can point out where I, as a prolife advocate, have been insensitive to women, I would take immediate steps to rectify insensitivity.

I don’t want to deny any woman control of her body (or any man either). . .and that includes all the ‘little’ women and men who are unborn. Fifty percent of people aborted are girls. . .girls who are denied control of their body by their own mothers and fathers. I want a world in which women are not abused and aborted. . .I want women to have control and men to exercise control. I want a world where rape and child abuse are gone. And that is a world that --paradoxically–we are going to get when we consider equally the life of the mother and the child . . . and stop pitting child against mother, mother against child, woman against woman.
 
Well, as a woman, I don’t see this thread exemplifing any love for women. I see burning hatred for women in this thread,
The majority of the posters in this thread are women - and speaking for myself, I don’t “hate” other women, but I do have great anxiety about people of whatever gender who think it’s okay or that it could ever be “the right thing to do” to kill their own children.

This doesn’t mean that I think rape is “okay” - obviously, rape needs to be illegal, and rapists need to be punished. The victim’s child, however, is innocent, and doesn’t deserve to be punished with the death penalty.

What I believe is that a woman can regain her respect and her dignity through motherhood. Obviously no rapist would ever intend for his victim to become pregnant, since a pregnancy would take away all of his power over her, so if God so chooses to use that situation to give the woman the gift of a child, it obviously has very little to do with the rapist.
 
You obviously don’t have a problem with a woman being raped, you’ve made that very clear.
I am against all sin.
I’m glad I don’t know you because I find this post and the previous one extremely offensive, insulting and degrading towards women.
What’s degrading to women is you being in favor of abortion. Such a position makes women look extremely selfish and foolish.
While I respect the right you have to your opinion, I disagree with you.
I don’t respect your opinion, because your opinion is contrary to God’s law. And your disagreement is firstly with God, and only secondly with me. You’ll deal with that on judgment day, unless you repent, renounce your current position, and confess it.
We obviously are on very different sides. While you think the baby’s life trumps the mothers, I don’t share that belief. I believe the rape victim trumps any possibility of unwanted pregnancy due to rape.
Rape is bad and so it killing a child. The difference is a women won’t go to hell for being raped, but she will go to hell for murder. Anyone who truly cares about women, such as I do, will try to keep them from going to hell.
But no matter how much you jump up and down about it, the fact is, rape is a crime and abortion is not.
It is a crime in God’s eyes. And would you not have a problem with rape if it was legal? That’s what I thought.
Nor is the right of a rape victim to defend herself.
I have no problem with a women defending herself. She would be very justified if she killed someone who was attempting to rape her as an act of self defense, and I think that would be a positive good.
And I know you don’t realize this, but the type of posts like this one and your previous one is good for rape victims because it’s posts like these that will keep abortion legal.
Having an abortion is not good for a rape victim, since it will send them to hell for all etenity, unless they repent of it.
Sorry to offend you, but you know, maybe you should consider how offensive your post is to others.
Don’t worry about offending me. I don’t get offended. You should worry about offending God.
 
Just a hint: put the word ‘abortion’ on Google images, then please tell me your opinions. Perhaps that will change your minds (speaking to those in favor of abortion).

I am not allowed to post images like that, but perhaps I can post a link.

If there is a problem, I ask the moderators to delete the link.

images.google.es/images?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hl=es&source=hp&q=abortion&btnG=Buscar+im%C3%A1genes&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=

It should make you think about it.
Looking at those images, I nearly cried. I have not read all of the arguments on this thread, but I do not understand how anyone could possibly do something like that to an innocent child. GOD knew us while we were still in our mother’s womb. He loved us even then. So much, that He died for us. Who are we that we think we can steal a precious baby’s breath in the name of women’s rights?

O my JESUS,
forgive us our sins.
Save us from the fires of hell.
Lead all souls to heaven,
especially those in most need of Thy mercy.
Amen.
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"But Tantum, a woman’s body IS her own."

No, a woman’s body is God’s. Every breath we take is a gift from Him. Our life is HIS.
 
A woman’s body is indeed a gift to her from God; the body was given to her when she was conceived in the womb.

So I truly do not see how a woman–any woman–can claim that **her **body is ‘**hers alone’ **and then in the name of claiming a ‘right’ to that body, destroy the body of an innocent child–boy or girl–in order to achieve a ‘dominion’ over the body of the woman.
 
Rence:

Are prolifers really insensitive to women? I’m a woman and I’m prolife. If you can point out where I, as a prolife advocate, have been insensitive to women, I would take immediate steps to rectify insensitivity.

Yes, I believe they are. You can’t prove their not, because others on this thread have proved otherwise. They spoke for themselves.

I want a world in which women are not abused and aborted. . .I want women to have control and men to exercise control. I want a world where rape and child abuse are gone.

This is an area in which we agree, and I’m glad for it.
 
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