Can raped girls abort?

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Doc_Keele said:
Linda - believe me I know the definition of murder. Coke formulated the common law definition which has only been altered in my jurisdiction by the abolition of the year and a day rule.
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In your opinion, what is the definition of murder? Please cite your source. How does the definition differ from “the common law definition”? And how does that differ from that which has been “altered” in your jurisdiction?

God’s law is consistent, spanning time and space. His jurisdiction trumps your jurisdiction.
 
“My” definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another person in the Queen’s peace with an intention to cause death or grievous bodily harm to the victim. Which is the Coke definition without the “year and a day” rule with more modern language.
 
Doc_Keele said:
“My” definition of murder is the unlawful killing of another person in the Queen’s peace with an intention to cause death or grievous bodily harm to the victim. Which is the Coke definition without the “year and a day” rule with more modern language.
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And abortion does not fit this definition how?
 
In your opinion, was it morally acceptable to kill black people back when they were legally non-persons?

In your opinion, was the Holocaust morally justifiable because, at that time, German law considered Jews to be non-persons?
 
jmcrae said:
It doesn’t consider anyone under the age of 18 to be a “person.” It’s still against God’s law to kill them or to cause them harm, though.
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Haven’t seen that one anywhere jmcrae - minors are certainly persons in the eyes of the law:rolleyes:
 
wanner47 said:
In your opinion, was it morally acceptable to kill black people back when they were legally non-persons?

In your opinion, was the Holocaust morally justifiable because, at that time, German law considered Jews to be non-persons?
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You’re confusing law and morality.
 
Doc_Keele said:
Haven’t seen that one anywhere jmcrae - minors are certainly persons in the eyes of the law:rolleyes:
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They aren’t permitted to vote - they are classed with insane persons and violent criminals, in that regard.
 
Doc_Keele said:
You’re confusing law and morality.
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What we’re talking about on this thread is morality.

We already know that it is legal to have an abortion, right up until the minute before natural birth.

The question was whether it is morally acceptable to do so.
 
Doc_Keele said:
You’re confusing law and morality.
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Actually, Doc, the point is that YOU are confusing law and morality.

No one here denies that it is LEGAL (in the USA) to procure an abortion, or that currently raped women LEGALLY have the right to procure an abortion. It’s a sad fact but a fact nonetheless.

What we are debating here is if it is MORALLY acceptable (according to Catholic teaching, since this is a Catholic message board) for raped women – or anyone, for that matter – to abort.

Now, you are saying that you adhere to the legal definition of murder, and that definition influences your moral perspective. It would logically follow, then, that you think the Holocaust was morally justifiable, since the people being killed at that time were not legally persons.
 
wanner47 said:
Actually, Doc, the point is that YOU are confusing law and morality
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err, no I’m not:rolleyes:
Now, you are saying that you adhere to the legal definition of murder, and that definition influences your moral perspective
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No it doesn’t, because I don’t confuse law and morality
It would logically follow, then, that you think the Holocaust was morally justifiable, since the people being killed at that time were not legally persons.
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No, it would not logically follow at all.
 
Doc_Keele said:
err, no I’m not:rolleyes:

No it doesn’t, because I don’t confuse law and morality

No, it would not logically follow at all.
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If not, then how does it logically follow that the fact that abortion is presently legal must mean that it is also morally acceptable? 🤷
 
Doc_Keele said:
Not following you.
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:rolleyes: Of course not.

Your argument in favour of abortion seems to be that, because abortion isn’t included in the legal definition of murder at the present time, that therefore, abortion is morally acceptable.

The point being raised was that, at one time, women and persons of colour were also not included in the definition of murder. You are now arguing that, obviously, killing them was morally wrong (murder) even though at the time, the definition of murder didn’t include them.

I am trying to get you to reconcile the inconsistency in these two positions.
 
Doc_Keele said:
Murder is not the same as abortion.
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Yeah… I actually kind of thinking the same thing.

I say because, usually, murder includes some one who can at least yell for help, or beg you to spare them. Or they are someone who has done something against the assailant in order to provoke them to want to end their life. :o

An abortion is just someone ending the life of someone who is inconvenient, because ‘you can’. :mad:

What was your take on the difference? :confused:
 
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