Can raped girls abort?

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I have noticed a large number of Catholics who are “prochoice.” One of the reasons I have read to justify this position is that a pregnant woman may suffer physical, or mental/emotional problems.

For quite some time I have been thinking about our Blessed Mother. When she became pregnant with Jesus, she ran the risk of being ostracized by her society to the point that she could have legally been stoned to death.

Should Mary have had the option of aborting Jesus?

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.
 
No game. Think for a minute about the way certain posters here (who would not be called trolls by the majority on this site, but certainly would be thought such on many secular sites) treat people according to their stated affiliation?
I’ll PM you if you like.
OK, I have thought about it and have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say in your post.

What is going on? Really?

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.
 
I have made a few additions to my profile, just expansions of previous details.

The same as everyone else - posting about important issues what I think and why. I’m sorry if that upsets anybody, and I shall stop doing so since some people like Linda and kage ar find it so offensive. I’m sure that’ll make them feel much happier about the world, that they’re not confronted by unacceptable opinions:thumbsup:
Just trying to understand you and your perspectives.

Peace.
 
I have made a few additions to my profile, just expansions of previous details.

The same as everyone else - posting about important issues what I think and why. I’m sorry if that upsets anybody, and I shall stop doing so since some people like Linda and kage ar find it so offensive. I’m sure that’ll make them feel much happier about the world, that they’re not confronted by unacceptable opinions:thumbsup:
So are you saying that your refusal to respond to the allegation is based upon other posters’ happiness? Please correct me if I am wrong. But if I’m right, you’re ducking the issue and it’s not fair, IMHO. Aren’t we, as Christians, supposed to be honest? 🤷

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.
 
So are you saying that your refusal to respond to the allegation is based upon other posters’ happiness? Please correct me if I am wrong. But if I’m right, you’re ducking the issue and it’s not fair, IMHO. Aren’t we, as Christians, supposed to be honest? 🤷

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.
I’m scrupulously honest Little Soldier. Christians should also have some degree of trust in other Christians as well, but I see little of that from some people here.
 
Given the apparent disparity between your profile and your actual words; as well as the apparent changes to the profile from one day to the next…

I am unconvinced.
My point proven:thumbsup:
 
I have made a few additions to my profile, just expansions of previous details.

The same as everyone else - posting about important issues what I think and why. I’m sorry if that upsets anybody, and I shall stop doing so since some people like Linda and kage ar find it so offensive. I’m sure that’ll make them feel much happier about the world, that they’re not confronted by unacceptable opinions:thumbsup:
I find lies offensive, as does God.

Revelation 21:8
 
For some reason this thread has not been closed, so I would like to once again post the Church’s position on abortion:

Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable of every innocent being to life.

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.” [Jer 1:5]

“My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.” [Ps 139:15]

[CCC 2270] [italics mine]

Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.

God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.

[CCC 2271] [italics mine]

Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae (CIC,can 1398) “by the very commission of the offense,” (CIC,can 1314) and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

[CCC 2272]

The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

“The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being’s right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death.” (CDF,Donum vitae III)

“The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined…As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child’s rights.” (CDF,Donum vitae III)

[CCC 2273]

There is more and I hope everyone reads what the Catechism states on this very important matter.

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.
 
I’m scrupulously honest Little Soldier. Christians should also have some degree of trust in other Christians as well, but I see little of that from some people here.
I repeat (from post #1032):

Surely you understand that your posting is not the problem. The problem is that you are professing to be a Carmelite novice, yet promoting heresy. That’s why the Catholics here are so concerned.

And yes, I trusted you. Look what it brought me. Now everyone sees me as a fool.

Ave Maria, ora pro nobis.
 
Don’t worry, expect to be ridiculed and thought of as a fool – it has been said it would be so. Do not be deceived. Those who would do or promote evil have been advised the Truth from He who is Truth.

It is now up to those who would do or promote evil to make a decision (which can change up until the moment of natural life).

Pray that they choose wisely.

Eternity awaits.
 
I repeat (from post #1032):

Surely you understand that your posting is not the problem. The problem is that you are professing to be a Carmelite novice, yet promoting heresy. That’s why the Catholics here are so concerned.

And yes, I trusted you. Look what it brought me. Now everyone sees me as a fool.

Ave Maria, ora pro nobis.
Hmmm, I wouldn’t find trusting someone something to be ashamed of.

I find the atmosphere here on this forum very dark. I could make unfavourable comparisons between the attitudes of self-confessed Catholics here and secular posters on secular fora. Sad.
 
They did not choose to become pregnant, they are just innocent victims…Is it okay for a rapped girl to have an abortion?
You’re only bringing up one aspect of this scenario. The baby is also innocent, and has done nothing wrong. God has deemed that life should come of whatever tragedy may end in a pregnancy. It is not for man do determine otherwise. I’m not sure if you’re legit, or if you’re just here stirring things up like a lot of folks, but I’ll go you a step further, just to expand the point. Do your realize that these things like raped girls, incest, possible death of the mother, etc. make up only a very miniscule portion of abortions. By far, the largest number of abortions committed are for convenience or financial reasons in a society where the value of human life has become pitifully small. The liberal eugenecists that always bring up these extraordinarily rare circumstances to justify and bolster the slaughter of over a million children a year in the United States alone, are disingenuous in the extreme. If the anti life political parties in the U.S. would legitimately up legislation that would end abortion except in the case of rape and incest, the pro-lifers would snatch that up in a minute. It would be law before the sun could set on the first day of discussion. But that’s not what they really want. That’s just what they SAY. They use the very few instances that seem a bit unfair or hurtful to justify millions of deaths. They even couch it now as if they’re, (the political parties in question), really against abortion in principal, but yet it must remain legal and available, so as not to violate the “reproductive CHOICES” of women. You’ll never even hear an argument for the men who may wish that their children could live. You never even hear of it being a valid choice of theirs to make, or really even a consultaion matter anymore. Men have done a lot to put themselves in this position, so I’m not going to get to far into the man and woman aspects of this thing, but the fact that it’s all become such a political matter, and such a one sided matter is very very sad.

I’m going to end this here. I’m becoming somewhat uncharitable on this subject, and I really don’t want to be. I love people. I want peace and harmony like anyone else. We Americans and Europeans, anyway, have just been lied to for so long, by so many people on this subject, and been victims for so long of the eugenics movement, that it’s no longer possible for me to remain a complacent or to coldly and intellectually “discuss” this matter. Frankly, I don’t even put it in the category of personal “opinion” anymore. Once you realize what is right, then your are forever dialed in. You can’t become unconverted. It’s in the province of the Holy Spirit. God will win in the end. I’ve read the book. But, man oh man, what we’re having to go to before we get to the last chapter is mind numbing.

Peace, and God’s love to you,

Blessings,

Steven
 
As usual your logic is unsound:)

You do understand what a contemplative order does, right? Contemplate?👍

I was driving 3 other Carmelites back from a day of recollection the other day and guess what? we all agreed that priests should be allowed to be married and that women should be allowed to be priests
I bet you’re horrified, kage ar?:eek:
I don’t doubt it. The vast majority of Catholics, including Religious, have no idea why the Church teaches what it teaches. They buy into the lie that because the Church is old, its teachings are therefore out of date, and whatever Oprah, or the Sun, is promoting this week is “the results of scientific progress,” and must be followed blindly, whether it’s condoms, or abortions, or Tarot, or alien abduction theories.

A good friend of mine once put it this way - 100% of Catholics who regularly attend Sunday Mass are good Catholics - so long as they keep their mouths shut. But when they open their mouths and they start expressing their personal opinions, 95% of them are heretics.
 
Hmmm, I wouldn’t find trusting someone something to be ashamed of.

I find the atmosphere here on this forum very dark. I could make unfavourable comparisons between the attitudes of self-confessed Catholics here and secular posters on secular fora. Sad.
You could do lots of things. But what you can’t do is explain why you, as a Carmelite novice, are promoting heresy.

Nothing in this world pains me more than Catholics who not only turn their backs on the Church but somehow believe that they will change Church dogma. It pains me because I used to be that way and I have had some very horrible things happen to me in my life, but turning my back on God was something I did on my own, with no help.

So why don’t you go ahead and make those unfavorable comparisons? What is a “self-confessed Catholic” anyway? Why are you promoting abortion before implantation?

Dearest Mother Mary, please pray that God
shows pity on me, His most humble and sad servant.
 
The embryo or fetus does not intentionally cause or threaten to cause harm to the mother. It may be that the* presence* of the embryo or fetus causes or threatens harm to the mother. If this is life-threatening (to the mother), she can be treated medically in order to save her life.

The Church does not consider the removal of a pregnancy as an abortion when it is done in order to save the mother’s life. For example, in an ectopic pregnancy, the affected fallopian tube (or portion of the fallopian tube) will be removed and unfortunately, a life is lost in the process. But this life was not lost as the ultimate goal. It is a tragic consequence. If the affected part of the tube is not removed, it will rupture, causing the death of the child and most likely the death of the mother.

In the future it is possible that these children can be saved, but we don’t have the medical ability to do that right now.

Hope this helps!

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.
***Check out some of the threads where Ryecroft tells her harrowing tale. You will see how many Catholics here fall on the side of “let the mother die” and “she didn’t do enough to save the fetus”.

Hope this helps!

Limerick***
 
***Check out some of the threads where Ryecroft tells her harrowing tale. You will see how many Catholics here fall on the side of “let the mother die” and “she didn’t do enough to save the fetus”.

Hope this helps!

Limerick***
I know Ryecroft’s story well. I was in another thread with her. What I saw was prolifers (including me) trying to give her support. Our hearts went out to her. She did nothing wrong and nobody accused her of doing anything wrong. So, no, this won’t help at all. Thank you for trying, though. 🙂

However, I will point out that even if Catholics feel that she did not “do enough to save the fetus” or believed the mother should die, they are not following Church teaching.

Ave Maria! Ora pro nobis.
 
They did not choose to become pregnant, they are just innocent victims…Is it okay for a rapped girl to have an abortion?
Under current United States law, yes, someone who is raped may ask for a termination of the pregnancy. If they are under age, they may have to get parental consent.
 
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