Can Ron Paul win?

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Do you mean openly “happy” or openly homosexual, which undermines unit cohesion? It’s really not the best time to be using our military for social experiments.
Except, of course, for the fact that the military folks greeting the change with a huge yawn and a shrug…then went back to work.

The active duty folks have been saying for a long time that we don’t really care.

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Can Ron Paul win?
No. Unless you think a majority of voters would vote for a congressman who would turn 77 in his first year in office, whose views are outside the mainstream on many issues.

Can Ron Paul win? To ask that question is to not understand politics that well.

Ishii
 
No. Unless you think a majority of voters would vote for a congressman who would turn 77 in his first year in office, whose views are outside the mainstream on many issues.

Can Ron Paul win? To ask that question is to not understand politics that well.

Ishii
Gilliam posted in the OP: “With Paul rising in the polls, people have begun to ask whether he can win in Iowa and perhaps even New Hampshire.”

So Ishii, your understanding of politics is Paul doesn’t have at least a chance to win in Iowa?
 
Gilliam posted in the OP: “With Paul rising in the polls, people have begun to ask whether he can win in Iowa and perhaps even New Hampshire.”

So Ishii, your understanding of politics is Paul doesn’t have at least a chance to win in Iowa?
Win Iowa maybe. Win the general or even get the party’s nomination, no, and that is what counts, not winning Iowa.

Ishii
 
Win Iowa maybe. Win the general or even get the party’s nomination, no, and that is what counts, not winning Iowa.

Ishii
Looks like his rude comment on Jay Leno’s show about how Michelle Bachmann “hates Muslims” has hit Yahoo/AP. Another step backward for the guy who still thinks we’re living in 1776, and another step forward for Romney as he gets another key endorsement - compared to the inevitable white-power endorsements Ron Paul will likely get. Again.
 
Looks like his rude comment on Jay Leno’s show about how Michelle Bachmann “hates Muslims” has hit Yahoo/AP. Another step backward for the guy who still thinks we’re living in 1776, and another step forward for Romney as he gets another key endorsement - compared to the inevitable white-power endorsements Ron Paul will likely get. Again.
He said Bachmann “hates Muslims” and that Rick Santorum “doesn’t like gay people.”

He has become a joke.

Ishii
 
He said Bachmann “hates Muslims” and that Rick Santorum “doesn’t like gay people.”

He has become a joke.

Ishii
He did say Bachmann hates Muslims, but he didn’t say Santorum doesn’t like gay people. Leno asked him about each candidate and he said Bachmann doesn’t like them, she hates them and wants to “go get em”. Then Leno asked him why it seemed like Santorum was always talking about gays and Paul responded with a tongue in cheek “gays and muslims”. With the exception of Huntsman and Bachmann it sounded like he was trying to be funny.

It’s about 17 minutes or so in, but I recommend watching the entire clip. The crowd definitely did not treat him as a joke, especially when Joe Rogan comes out with a Ron Paul shirt on and says something along the lines of finally someone who he can support every single thing he says.

youtube.com/watch?v=VMUZIVYuluc
 
I liked Ron Paul since '07. He has something most politicians don’t, which is common sense! You can really tell that this guy loves his country.
 
From ABC’s Jason Volack:
Ron Paul has gone Hollywood.
Appearing on “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno” Friday, the presidential hopeful took a swipe at his GOP rivals telling the crowd that Michele Bachmann “hates Muslims.”
When asked by host Jay Leno what he thought of his rivals, Paul shook his head, slowed his voice and said, “she doesn’t like Muslims, she hates them, she wants to go get ‘em” — in reference to the comments Bachmann has made on the campaign trail over her willingness to attack Iran over its suspected nuclear program.
Bachmann, who is campaigning today in Iowa, rejected Paul’s comments.
And I thought Dr. Paul was trying to stay above the fray.

Naturally, of course, we don’t want to discuss Dr. Paul’s association with such “well informed individuals” as Alex Jones.

ON EDIT: replaced a derogatory term about a radio talk show host with a more “charitable” one.
 
From ABC’s Jason Volack:
Ron Paul has gone Hollywood.
Appearing on “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno” Friday, the presidential hopeful took a swipe at his GOP rivals telling the crowd that Michele Bachmann “hates Muslims.”
When asked by host Jay Leno what he thought of his rivals, Paul shook his head, slowed his voice and said, “she doesn’t like Muslims, she hates them, she wants to go get ‘em” — in reference to the comments Bachmann has made on the campaign trail over her willingness to attack Iran over its suspected nuclear program.
Bachmann, who is campaigning today in Iowa, rejected Paul’s comments.
And I thought Dr. Paul was trying to stay above the fray.

Naturally, of course, we don’t want to discuss Dr. Paul’s association with such “well informed individuals” as Alex Jones.

ON EDIT: replaced a derogatory term about a radio talk show host with a more “charitable” one.
although alex jones is easier to watch than abc or fox, today’s news, prime example the war where america invaded iraq, tortured and killed innocent people yet can turn around today and comment only on number of americans killed no mention of iraq as though they were a lesser spieces. ron paul right time for you americans to stop invading countries nothing to do with you.
 
Ron Paul cherry picks libertarian values and Michele Bachmann cherry picks Christian values. They have both turned Jesus into a freemarket capitalist devoid of faith, hope or charity for the majority of God’s creation. Neither represent my Catholic values.
 
This is a point that a lot of “Paul can’t win” types seem to forget: a lot of the issues that drew independents to Obama are positions that fall within Ron Paul’s spectrum. Obama has since betrayed those values and independents are very upset with him; this NDAA issue, if it gets more play time (and we should ensure it does), could easily be a tipping point for many independents, and possibly even some Democrats.

I think it’s possible that if Ron Paul could eke out a Republican nomination he could draw a lot more support from the middle and from disaffected Democrats than the Republican “frontrunners”, if the right issues are emphasized.

Peace and God bless!
Obama didn’t betray those values, but was faced with the reality of not having any clout in congress, even when Nancy Pelosi and the democrats controlled both the house and senate.

It’s the same thing that happened to Jimmy Carter. He couldn’t curb democrat spending on pork-barrel projects, because he had no political clout.

The same could happen to Ron Paul, Mitt Romney or whom ever gets the nomination.

Obama should followed Ronald Reagan’s way of controlling congress, go to the people for support and ask that they put pressure on their representatives.

It’s why then Speaker of the House Tip O’Neal called Reagan the most dangerous president he ever dealt with. O’Neal said, whenever this president wants something, he goes to the people.

Jim
 
I don’t know if Ron Paul can win. What I do know is that after the passage of the NDAA this week we need him to win if our country is going to preserve our traditional values. Our country isn’t in danger of dismantling the Federal Reserve, nor of withdrawing from NATO, but apparently we are in very real danger of throwing out Habeas Corpus and expanding a “War on Terror” that has no definite objectives and no limit on targets. This isn’t tin-foil hat nuttery anymore, but real votes of a vast majority of our Senate and House.
You posted this yesterday and I find it very interesting that no one responded to this very real threat to our liberty. Combine it with the internet censorship act and our lives will be quite different. I know I’ll stay off the political forums and stop posting criticisms on the net. Sadly, Paul is the only one to recognize real danger coming from both parties and no one is listening.
None of the other Republican candidates would object to this dangerous turn the U.S. is taking, and Obama certainly doesn’t either. Ron Paul does object, and he would veto such decisions, and that makes him the bitter medicine for the illness this country is currently suffering from.
Which is precisely why they will never allow him to get the nomination. And the rose-colored glasses of Reps (NOT conservatives) will help the likes of Newt or Mitt on their way, oblivious of the risk.
I wasn’t planning on voting in the primaries at all, but the passage of the NDAA this week with the non-veto promise of Obama has compelled me to support Ron Paul despite my disagreement with many of his views.
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I tend to think that for politicians like Michele Bachmann, being accused of hating Muslims would actually be a compliment of sorts since this label of her being anti-Muslim would certainly resonate with a lot of her supporters.

Her noticably nonchalant response to this accusation of her hating Muslims does seem to confirm this.
 
Given the outrageous statements she has made about Iran,
  • Iran has stated that it wants to “wipe Israel off the face of the earth” (a distortion)
  • Iran is working on a nuclear weapon (a totally unproven assertion)
  • as soon as Iran gets a nuclear weapon, it will use it to attack Israel and threaten the United States (a wild accusation totally without factual basis - one cannot even reasonably infer such an intention from what the Iranians have said)
it does make one wonder…
 
Given the outrageous statements she has made about Iran,
  • Iran has stated that it wants to “wipe Israel off the face of the earth” (a distortion)
  • Iran is working on a nuclear weapon (a totally unproven assertion)
  • as soon as Iran gets a nuclear weapon, it will use it to attack Israel and threaten the United States (a wild accusation totally without factual basis - one cannot even reasonably infer such an intention from what the Iranians have said)
it does make one wonder…
Wonder what? How does someone’s concerns over Iran’s saber rattling lead to “she hates Muslims?” Should your posts about Israel lead us to wonder if you hate Jews. Some posters have accused you of that…now, I can assume you agree with and/or accept their reasoning.
 
Well, since Ron Paul seems to hate Jews, maybe they both have something in common.
 
You posted this yesterday and I find it very interesting that no one responded to this very real threat to our liberty. Combine it with the internet censorship act and our lives will be quite different. I know I’ll stay off the political forums and stop posting criticisms on the net. Sadly, Paul is the only one to recognize real danger coming from both parties and no one is listening.

Which is precisely why they will never allow him to get the nomination. And the rose-colored glasses of Reps (NOT conservatives) will help the likes of Newt or Mitt on their way, oblivious of the risk.

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The total media blackout on this is*** very disturbing***. Drudge has been linking to it. but that’s it. This is a very serious threat to our liberties.
Last week the Congress basically shredded the Bill of Rights.
But hey!! False News has major story on Dancing with the Stars!!:rolleyes:
 
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(I already mentioned this on Saturday morning on the “Can Ron Paul Win?” thread)
 
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