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tonyrey
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For every person who has ever existed, exists now and will exist!I was hoping you would catch my drift, and you did not disappoint.
Seems to me, seeking the Cloud is just as useful for a scientist as for a mystic.
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Dear Bishop
Itās been brought to my attention that in this very diocese there are Catholic neuroscientists and others who say theyāre detected thoughts and those thoughts originate in the brain. Huh! By dint of nothing much in particular, I know these so-called researchers with their so-called education are irrational, off their rockers, half a bubble off plumb, a few pecans short of a fruitcake.
If brains were dynamite they wouldnāt have enough to blow their nose. Oh, hang on, dead giveaway
, scrub that, if whatever it is where thoughts come from was dynamite they wouldnāt have enough to blow their so-called nose.Anyhow, mustnāt keep you
Yours etc.
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AlanFromWichita
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Dear SheepletDear Bishop
Itās been brought to my attention that in this very diocese there are Catholic neuroscientists and others who say theyāre detected thoughts and those thoughts originate in the brain. Huh! By dint of nothing much in particular, I know these so-called researchers with their so-called education are irrational, off their rockers, half a bubble off plumb, a few pecans short of a fruitcake.
If brains were dynamite they wouldnāt have enough to blow their nose. Oh, hang on, dead giveaway
Anyhow, mustnāt keep you
Yours etc.
Thank you for bringing this matter to my attention. Luckily there are also those scientists who are more honest about making assumptions; they said that EEG signals of brain activity do not prove thoughts āoriginateā in the brain. I tried an experiment. I dropped a bowling ball on my foot and experienced a great number of thoughts that Iām quite sure didnāt originate in the brain at all.
So I agree with you. I think these people should be put into their place, immediately.
Bishop Al
I am an epilepticā¦I have recently had surgery to relieve/reduce my seizures and I have spent many hours and in one case an entire week - hooked up to an EEG machine.
To even propose that an EEG scan could prove that thought originates in the brain is absurd. EEGās measure electrical activity along the scalp. They record current brain activity. If one raises an arm or decides to jump up and downā¦this is recorded. It cannot do more than measure the patterns of the brain after they have been acted upon.
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Dear Bish
Trouble was the joke didnāt scan ā āif the nervous system was dynamite they wouldnāt have enough to blow their noseā just doesnāt cut it.
However, I assure you that thoughts cannot possibly originate in something as mundane as your foot. You are referring to mere biological signals, nothing as grand, as regal, as noble as Thoughts, and sire it is due to this Nobility of Thoughts that they cannot originate in anything as humdrum, neigh tedious, as mere matter. QED
I hope your foot is now much improved, and also that my tendency to flip into 18th C speech patterns desists forthwith. O rats, there I go again.
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AlanFromWichita
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Dear Letter Writer:
The bishop asked me to reply to you on his behalf. He said you didnāt know me well enough to realize that Iām running the show around here. Heās still smarting from last time I got on his case for once again pretending I am Newton.
I understand why you donāt know me; Iāve never let the Big Stump take off his socks in public. And those who have seen me directly had to be killed immediately.
But they do make movies about the likes of me, just based on their own limited creativity in trying to imagine my awesomeness. Look below and I will allow you to get a glimpse of one of their actors, wearing a white-clad stump with black and red trimming.
Sincerely,
TFWIC
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AlanFromWichita
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Thatās interesting. I wish I could find a video I recently saw where this one guy spent his career trying to find the ādecision makerā in the body.
He actually found a way to stimulate the nervous system of an experimental subject (brain probe? I donāt remember) to make the arm go up. When asked if he was moving his arm, he said, āmy arm is going up.ā
They told him to resist it and move another way, and this time when it started going up he did resist it and moved it another way.
Long story short, he never did actually find the ādecision maker,ā anywhere in the body.
Also, I recently learned that the heart sends a great deal more information to the brain than vice-versa, and exercises a huge amount of control on the brain.
If I find these videos soon, Iāll post them.
Alan
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Dear so-called whoever you are
You cannot possible be who you claim, since death would result from the act of seeing itself, no orders would be needed. I have no fear of phishers such as you on the Cloud as my Firewall is always with me.
I donāt know how you broke in on our secure communication and will text the Bishop as the problem must be at his end.
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The original claim (post #471) wasnāt about proof but that āeven if our thoughts are deciphered from an EEG it would not imply that they originate in the brainā.
Tony can correct me but I take his more general claim to be that no result from any device (fMRI etc.) implies that thoughts originate in the nervous system.
But I think a number of results imply it strongly (e.g. this and this) even though neuroscience is very young.
How goes the treatment or is it too soon to tell?
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tonyrey
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Only electrical impulses originate in the brain - unless **intangible thoughts are equated withphysical eventsin accordance with the assumption that all events are physical.
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AlanFromWichita
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Dear so-called whoever you are
You cannot possible be who you claim, since death would result from the act of seeing itself, no orders would be needed. I have no fear of phishers such as you on the Cloud as my Firewall is always with me.
I donāt know how you broke in on our secure communication and will text the Bishop as the problem must be at his end.
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tonyrey
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This equation obviously excludes the existence of **all **supernatural beings including the Supreme Being - unless of course the Supreme Being is considered to be physical (and susceptible to scientific analysisā¦).
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Gaber
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One must still ask āWho is it that sees the āintangibleā thoughts?ā
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tonyrey
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Only the Supreme Being knows all that exists and occursā¦
(The present tense indicates the eternal present).
meltzerboy
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Science can explain physical reality to a certain extent, although it is far from complete or definitive in its explanation. Science can even describe, not yet fully explain, our subjective perception of physical reality. What science cannot do is explain non-physical or metaphysical reality. Metaphysics is part of philosophy, including theology, and the spiritual world is not within the domain of science, but parapsychology.
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tonyrey
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The only proviso I have is that parapsychology cannot explain the Creator or creatures made in His image.
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Gaber
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Yes, but where and how does that include you seeing your own āintangibleā to measurement thoughts?
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tonyrey
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We donāt āseeā our thoughts; we are aware of them.
I think some of this comes out of the realm of science and into philosophy. Personally, I donāt believe thoughts are able to be recorded. I think there is more to it than just science. Neuroscience can examine the brain and nervous system & tell us about it.
But it can only tell us about thought insofar as we have already acted upon them - What parts of the brain are responsible for what actions etcā¦
Science cannot tell anything about our souls - and I believe this is the core of every human being and what really makes us.
As regards my treatmentā¦thanks for asking innocente:
I was having really bad seizures every day. I had surgery last Sept 22nd and I have only had one since then.
Praised be Jesus Christ!! :extrahappy: :extrahappy: :dancing: :clapping: :clapping:
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alex85716
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I wrote a book on this subject, which can be found here: books.google.com/books?id=1fz05ui2kpAC&lpg=PP1&dq=the%20world%20perceived&pg=PR2#v=onepage&q=the%20world%20perceived&f=false as well as here: archive.org/details/TheWorldPerceivedATheologicalAndPhenomenologicalApproachToThinking
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