Can the dead speak to us?

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I am glad someone else knows what I am talking about. For a minute there, I thought it was just this State that I live in.

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there’s some well known doctor here (texas) that treated a family friend and told her she had rheumtaoid arthritis and put her on such stong medication she couldn’t walk cuz her joints were swelling up. she suffered for a year then went to india for a second opinion and they told her that she didn’t have it and should stop taking so much strong medications (the otehr docotor would increase the dose every time she visited and complained of getting worse) because the combination of medicines were such that they were working against one another. so she stopped and is much, much better not she can walk and is still a bit swollen but is recovering fast. she had to pay through her nose for the highly reputed doctor here who she went to for a year, screwed her over and didn’t bother to ask how she was once she stopped going to him.
 
I cannot locate the specific verse, but i’m sure i’ve read it. Doesn’t it say somewhere in the Bible that we shouldn’t pray to aome of those that have died simply because we’re not sure if they are in Heaven?
 
I cannot locate the specific verse, but i’m sure i’ve read it. Doesn’t it say somewhere in the Bible that we shouldn’t pray to aome of those that have died simply because we’re not sure if they are in Heaven?
The way I understand it is, we ask people who are here (not in heaven) to pray for us, and we are only asking our dead (in body) loved ones to pray for us. We don’t pray TO saints, except that the word “pray” means “ask”.

We definitely don’t worship anyone other than God.

Someone recently said, “Death is the greatest mystery, that is why it takes faith to understand it.”

If death wasn’t a great mystery, if there was absolute certainty about what happens, there would be no reason to use our brains and think about it.

Some people are absolutely certain that Hitler is in Hell. But the fact is, we don’t really know that. We trust a just God who would allow Hitler to make that choice. But God is also merciful, and someday we will find out where that poor soul is. Or maybe not.

All we have to work with is what God has given us. He has given us free will, and his Son.

This began as a sort of spirits crossing into our lives discussion. I still trust that God comforts us in ways only He understands.
 
When I was a youngster in CCD classes back in the 1950’s, we envisioned Purgatory as a “junior sized version of Hell with a parole board.”
My brother, a Benedictine monk, once described purgatory to me as “God’s waiting room.”
 
I cannot locate the specific verse, but i’m sure i’ve read it. Doesn’t it say somewhere in the Bible that we shouldn’t pray to some of those that have died simply because we’re not sure if they are in Heaven?
God doesn’t want us to try to get information behind His back. God lets us know what He wants us to know, when He wants us to know it. If we try to get around Him, then it means we don’t trust God, who is our greatest benefactor.

That’s why we’re not supposed to contact the dead.

But if God allows the dead to contact us, that’s a completely different thing.
 
God allows the contact- those who mourn are promised they will be comforted…
…- it’s impossible to do anything behind God’s back…and they are not “dead” …loved ones in Spirit- are very much alive…👍
 
God allows the contact- those who mourn are promised they will be comforted…
…- it’s impossible to do anything behind God’s back…and they are not “dead” …loved ones in Spirit- are very much alive…👍
Amen JCnMe, Amen
 
Can we speak to the dead?

With the rise of Paranormal TV shows, movies about hauntings, and self proclaimed “paranormal investigators”, today more than ever, these self proclaimed paranormal investigation groups have members that CLAIM to be able to speak to the dead. But Are they really speaking to the deceased?

Without going into the apologetics of the existence of God (as that is another whole dissertation that has been written by many) , and assuming then that we do believe in the existence of God, I would like to use the Holy Bible to answer the above question.

So what does the Holy bible say about those who claim to “speak to the dead”? Is this even possible?

We will begin in 1 Samuel 28:7-25

7Then Saul said to his servants, “Seek out for me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her.” And his servants said to him, “Behold, there is a medium at En-dor.”
8So Saul disguised himself and put on other garments and went, he and two men with him. And they came to the woman by night. And he said, “Divine for me by a spirit and bring up for me whomever I shall name to you.” 9The woman said to him, “Surely you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the necromancers from the land. Why then are you laying a trap for my life to bring about my death?” 10But Saul swore to her by the LORD, “As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing.” 11Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?” He said, “Bring up Samuel for me.” 12When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul.” 13The king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What do you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I see a god coming up out of the earth.” 14 He said to her, “What is his appearance?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped in a robe.” And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and paid homage.
15Then Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” Saul answered, “I am in great distress, for the Philistines are warring against me, and God has turned away from me and answers me no more, either by prophets or by dreams. Therefore I have summoned you to tell me what I shall do.” 16And Samuel said, “Why then do you ask me, since the LORD has turned from you and become your enemy? 17The LORD has done to you as he spoke by me, for the LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the LORD and did not carry out his fierce wrath against Amalek, therefore the LORD has done this thing to you this day. 19Moreover, the LORD will give Israel also with you into the hand of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons shall be with me. The LORD will give the army of Israel also into the hand of the Philistines.”
20Then Saul fell at once full length on the ground, filled with fear because of the words of Samuel. And there was no strength in him, for he had eaten nothing all day and all night. 21And the woman came to Saul, and when she saw that he was terrified, she said to him, “Behold, your servant has obeyed you. I have taken my life in my hand and have listened to what you have said to me. 22Now therefore, you also obey your servant. Let me set a morsel of bread before you; and eat, that you may have strength when you go on your way.” 23He refused and said, “I will not eat.” But his servants, together with the woman, urged him, and he listened to their words. So he arose from the earth and sat on the bed. 24Now the woman had a fattened calf in the house, and she quickly killed it, and she took flour and kneaded it and baked unleavened bread of it, 25and she put it before Saul and his servants, and they ate. Then they rose and went away that night.
We can pick this apart and write a book just on these few passages but we will stick to the topic.

It is clear that there was a firm belief that contacting the dead could really be done. In fact, at the outset of this incident Saul is presented as having outlawed all kinds of necromancy in strict obedience to the Law (Deut. 18:10-14), yet Saul eventually reveals his identity to the witch (risking his reputation and dirtying his authority) to have contact with Samuel once again!

How was the deceased contacted? The Medium, or one who acts as the “middle” man between the spiritual realm and the physical real begins to ask permission to perform such an act. This is done in a leading manner. In order to fulfill her task, the witch had to know specifically who it was he wanted to contact. “Bring me up Samuel” replied the king. This was the permission and the authoritative
assurance that she would not die for what she was about to attempt. In the next verse (28:12), the Hebrew particle translated “when” is not in the text so that the phrase “And when she saw
Samuel she cried with a loud voice” should be "And she saw Samuel and cried with a loud voice."13 This fact supports the idea that the whole thing happened rather quickly. The witch clearly knew what she was doing. It is safe to assume on to pints that She had done this many times before. 1) This specific witch was referred to by Sauls servant and was obviously well known. We see this in verse 7 “Behold, there is a medium at En-dor.” 2) As stated above, this was actually done rather quickly and without trouble.
 
Was this truly Samuel? Many things point to the answer to this question. 12When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. A scream from her indicates that she is as much
astonished and for the moment frightened as anyone can be. This is an interesting point as we have established previously the witch has obviously performed many of these rituals. Evidently she did not expect such an apparition. The effect was much too great for the cause. She sees that in this apparition a power is concerned much beyond what she can control. The Bible tells us clearly that Satan and his demons are very powerful angelic beings. They are stronger and more intelligent than any human and create a great deal of havoc in the lives of both Christians and unbelievers.

A second point can be noted in the text that only the witch “saw” Samuel. 13The king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What do you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I see a god coming up out of the earth.” 14 He said to her, “What is his appearance?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped in a robe.” And Saul knew that it was Samuel. In the literal Hebrew the word “knew” is actually translated as “perceived”. Saul perceived that is was Samuel. But he did not see Samuel himself. Just like the mediums of today, they are the only ones who can “see” the deceased. We just have to take their word for it. Samuel, being a profit of God, would have never taken the credit of being a god. After all, He was God’s prophet, servant, slave, etc. He served God! This leads us further into our doubt.

In this same section of scripture we read, " And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and paid homage.15Then Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” Samuel accepted Saul falling face down bowing to him in homage! This is unlike any other prophet or angel of God in their reaction. Every prophet and angel of God in the bible who has been bowed before has declined the homage. The position of every believer, spiritually speaking, is face down in the presence of Christ. He that will not bow to Christ is not a Christian. He that bows to anyone other than Christ is not a Christian. He that would permit men to bow to him is not a Christian. We even see this in Judaism.

When one dies, one does not haunt a home, walk around the earth visiting friends and family trying to bring some message to comfort them. This is simply unbiblical. Job 7:9-10 states:
9 As the cloud disappears and vanishes away,
So he who goes down to the grave does not come up.
10 He shall never return to his house,
Nor shall his place know him anymore.
Based on these two scriptures alone this would disqualify this apparition to be Samuel.
The spirit of man refers to the life force within him, which returns to God when he dies. Ecc. 12:7 states:
7and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

This means that his spirit is not moving around as a “ghost”, nor is it free to possess another person or animal so that the man’s personality is continued through them. We will each be judged for our own works. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ,so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil. 2 Cor. 5:10.

The spirit returns to God at death, and all consciousness ceases. Any attempt to contact the dead therefore shows a serious misunderstanding of the ample Bible teaching concerning this. Is. 8:19,20 states 19And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living? 20 To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn. The Bible is quite blunt that people do not return to their previous houses or towns in any way after they are dead; there can be no such thing as a “spirit” or “ghost” haunting such a place after the person has died. Job 20:7,9 could not express this in better terms: 7he will perish forever like his own dung;those who have seen him will say, ‘Where is he?’ 9The eye that saw him will see him no more, nor will his place any more behold him. A biblical perspective of this will lead us to discount all claims to have seen the ‘ghosts’ of dead people, haunting their old houses, mediums talking to out loved ones who have passed on, or talking to the ascended masters of the new age groups. Such experiences must be something other than the deceased.

“Can we talk to the deceased?”, Speaking in truth, BIBLICAL TRUTH, one must conclude that we CANNOT speak to those who have passed. So was the apparition that the witch called forth Samuel? NO! What was the apparition? That we will save for another posting!
 
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Can we speak to the dead?
Thank you so much for the excellent information from scripture. I’ve always known that it is strictly forbidden to contact mediums, psychics, or astrologers and I wouldn’t even consider it, but I do believe that it’s possible to make contact with the deceased, but we will never know if it’s really who we are seeking or if it’s satan in disguise, which is what I think it is. There are so many books out in the book stores that actually teach people to conjure up the dead. How horrid! Who would want to. They have books teaching you how to meditate, crystals and mirrors, and many other methods to make contact. I feel this is extremely dangerous. It’s putting yourself in extreme danger from contact with demons.

However, I do feel that it’s quite possible that God, in His goodness, maybe at times might give a special gift to someone who is in deep grief and maybe God might give them a hazy vision or a very short communication. Generally this is done in a dream, and my personal belief is that in this way we cannot prove that we actually saw them, but most people find these dream/visions a great comfort. I think they’re true. I believe it’s a great gift from God. I myself, lost my beloved daughter seven years ago, and for seven years I have pleaded and begged God to let me see her even but for an instant, and not once, not even one time, not in a dream, not in a vision, have I been given this gift. God knows what he’s doing. If he chooses not to give it to me, then I must accept that. I know many parents that have told me stories of seeing visions or dreams of their children and they’ve told me they are completely true and it wasn’t a dream. I think I can believe this, but again, if it’s a dream, it’s a gift. Just my own humble opinion on all this.

But, can we actually contact the dead. Yes, I think we can, but it won’t be who you expect. Dangerous territory and not meant for those who still are alive in the flesh. If we are disobedient to God and pursue this, then we will possibly pay a very heavy price.

I will keep asking God for my special gift, but that’s up to Him if He want’s me to have it. Otherwise, I will have to wait till I cross over onto the other side of the veil and then my dream will come true.

God bless you all.
 
Hislittlelady…I’m sorry for your loss…but it is your fear that is keeping you from the connection you seek with your daughter…Jesus promised comfort for those who mourn in the Beatitudes-He also said all who believe in Him though they may die yet will live…the connection to our loved ones in spirit is through God’s Love…those who fear are not made perfect in God’s love…Old testament fears are Pre-Catholicism and most important Pre-Jesus Christ…remember it’s the fruits of the Spirit that tells you who and what you are dealing with…you are surrounded by Angels and loved ones in Spirit- you just have to trust God enough to handle the details- say a prayer of protection before sleeping- ask God and your angels to help your daughter come through in dreams- and then TRUST you are in God’s hands… sweet dreams…God Bless
 
JCnMe
Hislittlelady…I’m sorry for your loss…but it is your fear that is keeping you from the connection you seek with your daughter…Jesus promised comfort for those who mourn in the Beatitudes-He also said all who believe in Him though they may die yet will live…the connection to our loved ones in spirit is through God’s Love…those who fear are not made perfect in God’s love…Old testament fears are Pre-Catholicism and most important Pre-Jesus Christ…remember it’s the fruits of the Spirit that tells you who and what you are dealing with…you are surrounded by Angels and loved ones in Spirit- you just have to trust God enough to handle the details- say a prayer of protection before sleeping- ask God and your angels to help your daughter come through in dreams- and then TRUST you are in God’s hands… sweet dreams…God Bless
Thank you so so much for your beautiful response. I have taken great comfort in your words and I am surely going to pray about this so that I can trust more fully in God so that I will be open to receive his gift which I know he would willingly give me if only I could put it all into his hands. It’s been a rough seven years missing my child and suffering grief beyond imagining, but I still live and have never once turned my back on God, nor have I questioned him, but have given in to His Will. I will keep praying for that wonderful gift because I know others have had it and they convinced me it’s true, not only a dream. I believe in it too and I know Jesus said, anything we ask in his name it will be done. I think you are completely correct that I’m not trusting enough. I will certainly work on that now and I will wait upon the Lord and his blessings. God uses people as his angels sometimes. Thanks so much for your comfort and kind words.
 
There are many documented cases of souls in purgatory communicating with specific persons either informing them of particular conditions or asking for prayers. I tend to assume that if a parted soul makes it’self known it is a grace that they have recieved so as to make their need for prayer known. This happens to someone who loved them during their life or to a person who is likely to be moved to pray for them.
 
Most people have different reasons for believing in immortality. Some believe in it on authority. Other on sheer hope. Some even appear to have communicated with the dead.



But people have had experiences. There are those who claim to have had visions of Mary.
I’m interested in such experiences with the dead, if anyone here wants to share. I’ve had at least three occasions of my own to sit up and take notice.



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I had the experience of my father turning up in my room the night he died. He started with an apology, we argued and conversed, and then he gave this almighty scream and disappeared. Since he died in 1979, there’s a fair amount of the conversation I’ve forgotten, but the following narrative may give some idea of what happened. My Catholic psychiatrist thinks I saw him that night.

Narrative begins (to keep it within 6000 character limit, I’ve edited it) -

"So on the night of the 11th January 1979, his father visited him instead.

He remembered the setting well. It was January, hot in Brisbane, … all the windows and doors were locked …

The old double bed had a sag in the middle of it. He had spoken to the landlord about it, but the landlord has simply pointed out the lease said “partly furnished”. By which he meant that if Bob wanted a better bed, he could buy it himself. So far he hadn’t, and as a result he always rolled into the middle.

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Then at some ungodly hour, he’d felt something shaking his back. He shrugged, and tried to go back to sleep. It happened again, almost as though somebody was trying to wake him up.

So he woke up and turned over. …

Then something misty began to appear in the corner of the room, near the bedroom door. It seemed to sharpen, and his father appeared.

He watched in amazement as his father approached the foot of the bed.

“Hello, Robert” he said. Yet Bob had the sense his father was not really looking at him, but was mainly focused on something behind him, and above his head. His father did glance at him, but then looked up again, almost enthralled.

Bob was startled. “How the hell did you get in here!” he demanded.

The question remained unanswered. “I’ve come to apologize for the way I’ve treated you” his father said. “We had no idea of what you were going through”. He looked at Bob again, then over his head.

Bob was angry. “You mean you had no idea what you were doing to me”, he replied bitterly.

At this his father appeared distraught, shook his head in fear, and held both hands over his face, as though he could not stand what he was seeing.

Then he seemed to recover, and he resumed looking above Bob’s head, as though gazing at something beautiful. Then at times he would again cover his face with his hands, and a tortured, frightened expression would come over his face.

His father looked devastated. “I’ve completely wrecked your life” he burst out. “And I did it deliberately!”

Bob broke the silence. He had been thinking about the years of intense verbal cruelty his father had lavished upon him, and the intense frustration that had resulted.

“Why!!” he demanded.

The answer was almost immediate.

“I was jealous” was the admission. “I didn’t have the same opportunities that you did. And it wasn’t easy for me either, you know. And I didn’t have the chance to see anything like this!”

“I know it wasn’t easy! Why do you think I was so patient! I knew that by the time I was twelve!”

His father looked deeply ashamed, and shocked, as though realizing for the first time just how much his son had understood, and from what an early age.

But his next reply came as a bit of a shock. “You weren’t very patient”.

Bob was taken aback. He’d thought he’d been very patient, considering just how vicious his father’s diatribes had been. He remembered the constant humiliation, the dripping sarcasm, the cruel comments that followed his every little mistake, or child’s effort to do something…

Not patient? Compared to what? He’d like to know. He wondered how many other people would have put up with so much deliberate contempt for so long, without cracking.



Bob turned around to see what his father was gazing at with such an enraptured expression. But all he could see was the plasterboard, behind which he knew was the brick wall at the end of the building.

He turned back to his father. “What is all this, a dream or something?”

His father looked slightly bemused. “No, it’s not a dream. I died tonight.”

Bob shook his head. “What?”

His father replied again. “I died tonight.”

There was mutual silence.

(Substantial section removed from narrative…).

And then his father seemed to be desperate. “Son, you’ve got to forgive me!” And a look of complete dejection came over his father’s face.

Bob was angry. “Why should I? You’ve spent the whole of my life …”

But he never finished. As he was talking, his father was turning to his right, Bob’s left, as though he could see something in the distance. He seemed to be taking fright, and said “No!”

Then louder “No! No!”

Then finally, he screamed and shook from head to foot and raised his arms in what appeared to be an attempt to ward something off, something hideously frightening, and cried out in sheer terror, “No…. Arrrgh!” It was so frightening, Bob started to cry out.

And then his father just disappeared.

And Bob was left staring at the bookcase, in the darkness, alone."

************************************ (End of narrative)

One thing I’m curious about is how we communicated. As far as I was concerned we were talking. But he had no lungs, voice box, or brain, as his body was several kilometres away.

So there it is.
 
So he woke up and turned over. …
One thing I’m curious about is how we communicated. As far as I was concerned we were talking. But he had no lungs, voice box, or brain, as his body was several kilometres away.
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Bob this is a very interesting experience.
Your father’s voice and image are very accurately remembered. The imagination isn’t necessarily operated through corporeal organs and is able to function as the eyes and ears of the soul. The unity of being experienced by souls unincumbered by fallen flesh allows for two way communication through the powers of the soul.

Your experience is paradoxical. On the one hand it seems that your father recieved a grace that offered an opportunity for both of you to heal before he was judged. This seems to indicate that his destiny had not yet been determined at the time of the dialogue. That perhaps his destiny was dependent on the dialogue with you. He was willing to do a good work so it seems that would make beatitude a possibility for him. The scream doesn’t necessarily mean he was facing the reality of eternal damnation. If that is what he was facing then what ever good work that God offered him the opportunity to do was not done . Maybe the experience of facing eternal damnation would be the beginning of the purging of sin. It’s interesting that your father’s sin against you revolved around opportunities that were available to you that he didn’t feel good about yet by communicating with you after his death but before his judgement he is participating in making available another opportunity of just that kind.

I hope you pray for him.
 
Bob-…stunned silence, wow!
Eternal rest grant unto him O Lord and may perpetual light shine upon him, from the gates of hell deliver his soul O Lord, may he rest in peace. Amen

OK

My father in law grieved like no one I have ever seen when his wife died, he didn’t want to join her, he wanted her to come back. After 5 years, on one of his more than daily trips to the cemetary, she came to him in a vision, told him she loved him and that his grief was keeping her from truely accepting her place in heaven and that he had to let her go and that they could be together when it was time. (She didn’t say “would” she said “could”). He did ease up a little but he was a stubborn man.

I wonder why God has given certain people, most currently famous, Allison Doubois–yes she is a real person, the ability to hear the dead and what exactly such a sensitive person is supposed to do with such a gift?
 
Bob this is a very interesting experience.
Your father’s voice and image are very accurately remembered. The imagination isn’t necessarily operated through corporeal organs and is able to function as the eyes and ears of the soul. The unity of being experienced by souls unincumbered by fallen flesh allows for two way communication through the powers of the soul.

Your experience is paradoxical. On the one hand it seems that your father recieved a grace that offered an opportunity for both of you to heal before he was judged. This seems to indicate that his destiny had not yet been determined at the time of the dialogue. That perhaps his destiny was dependent on the dialogue with you. He was willing to do a good work so it seems that would make beatitude a possibility for him. The scream doesn’t necessarily mean he was facing the reality of eternal damnation. If that is what he was facing then what ever good work that God offered him the opportunity to do was not done . Maybe the experience of facing eternal damnation would be the beginning of the purging of sin. It’s interesting that your father’s sin against you revolved around opportunities that were available to you that he didn’t feel good about yet by communicating with you after his death but before his judgement he is participating in making available another opportunity of just that kind.

I hope you pray for him.
I know that I’m supposed to forgive him. I find this difficult because his policy had been deliberate my entire life up to the point that he died. Even my old pastor said, “It’s almost as though he’d written a policy statement stating that his mission in life was to wrecky your life.”

As I said, I had to leave out some of the exchange due to space constraints. This is apart from the fact I don’t remember it all, but I certainly remember the scream, the old bookcase that was behind him, the way he looked to my left etc.

One of the other things that he did say was “You’ll wonder if you should pray for me. It will be a waste of time. All I was expected to do was look after my own family, and I didn’t even do that!”

I’ve had discussions with my Catholic psychiatrist about this. He seems to lean towards a more merciful judgment. His opinion is that when people go to Hell, nobody seems to care afterwards. He quoted a particular serial killer in the US (Ted Bundy?, but I’m not sure). It seems that when this serial killer was executed, everybody just heaved a sigh of relief. It was all over. I think the same thing would apply to Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and a number of others. Hitler might be perennial history in one sense, but nobody seems to be concerned that he’s dead, or grieving for him.

Whereas the psychiatrist felt that when there was some hope, there was a sort of appeal to certain people.

However my old Protestant pastor felt Catholics tend to soft pedal judgment. I also get visions from time to time. The pastor died in 1992, but before he died he warned me about a certain lady. After he died, he appeared to me in a vision one night, and said, "Watch out for (this lady)! Your father’s paying for it, believe me! You don’t want to join him!’ Then he repeated, “Watch out for (the lady)!)”.

There is one other point, which may seem a bit literal. As I noted my father was looking over my head behind me, enthralled a lot of the time. I think He may have been looking at the heavenly court. When he put his hands in front of his face I think he was seeing some of his past actions and words, in the light of divine holiness. He couldn’t stand it.

However if that was the divine court, then I was facing the same way as the judge. My father turned to my left ie. the same “left” for the "divine court’.

You may remember Christ’s words, that the goats would go to his left, and the sheep to his right.

Coincidence?
 
Bob-if you can’t forgive him- then at least try not to hold hatred in your heart for him…sometimes parents and people are in our lives as examples of how “not” to be…as hard as he was on you-it sounds like he is being even harder on himself for what he did…God Loves both sheep and goats…and it’s never too late- if one person cares what happens to them-…
 
Bob-if you can’t forgive him- then at least try not to hold hatred in your heart for him…sometimes parents and people are in our lives as examples of how “not” to be…as hard as he was on you-it sounds like he is being even harder on himself for what he did…God Loves both sheep and goats…and it’s never too late- if one person cares what happens to them-…
I’ll try. God’s got a few things to forgive me for. And He’s got a few things for me to forgive Him, strange as it sounds. He’s been very unfair in some ways, and He’s unfair to a lot of people.

I think I’ve more or less indicated the answer to the title of this thread, “Can the dead speak to us?” I’d have to say “Yes”, based on certain peculiar experiences. But’s its never a trivial incident. Moreover, they initiate the contact, not us. My father came to me, not the other way around. I didn’t even know he’d died that night. I should point out that for a few days prior to that I’d been getting this sort of impulse to go and visit him. Now I wasn’t sure where he lived, but I hated him, and wanted nothing to do with him. So I refused.

I suppose the impulse came from God, who knew his time was running out. So when I didn’t go, my father was sent to me.

That’s why I’m a bit sceptical about the John Edwards and other “channelers”. There’s never any mention of punishment, everything is always hunky-dorey, and the messages always give the recipient reason to believe there’s really nothing to worry about.

So in a nutshell, the dead can contact us, but it’s on their initative, and not ours. And even then I think they’re only allowed to do so under certain circumstances. I’ve had a couple of visions of my old deceased pastor for example, and he’s been talking directly to me, but always with a specific message.
 
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