Can the Devil use the Bible?

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***Hi, briang!

Excellent point! 👍

…just as in the case of the Pharisees and Sadducees, both group were very studious of the Sacred Writings and Sacred Traditions, respectedly… yet, Jesus called them both hypocrites because they new the letter of the Law but circumvented it to suit their own purposes… He made a distinction about their corruption of the Word and His Teachings (I am from above and you refuse to listen to me; yet, you accept and celebrate the teachings of man–paraphrased).

So it is not enough to have the Holy Scriptures at hand nor to have any man’s interpretation–both the Scriptures and the correct source must converge for true Doctrine to exist!***
Maran atha!

Angel
Excellant point. The fact that the two groups were so well versed on scripture, as it then existed, did not prevent their mistakes.

Two Questions please
  1. Why were these most learned men unable to correctly interpret scripture? Certainly God would have liked them to.
  2. Of the 2 items in red above, which should be taken as the more necessary, Scripture or “the correct source”?
Peace
James
 
Here is a real life example how Satan can use the Word of God. But at the same time, I don’t believe the Holy Spirit reveals things to you unless you are willing and ready. In fact, I believe there’s a Scripture passage that backs that up, I just don’t remember it right now.
***Hi, ARTofChrist!

…welcome home! :extrahappy: :extrahappy:

…there are several passages that speak on this; here’s one particular which I truly enjoy:

Although she is alone, she can do everything;
herself unchanging, she renews the world,
and, generation after generation, passing onto holy souls,
she makes them into God’s friends and prophets;
for God loves only those who dwell with Wisdom.
She is indeed more splendid than the sun,
she outshines all the constellations;
compared with light, she takes first place,
for light must yield to night,
but against Wisdom evil cannot prevail.
Strongly she reaches from one end of the world to the other
and she governs the whole world for its good. (Wisdom 7:27-30)

Maran atha!

Angel***
 
It’s questionable that Lucifer knew he was tempting the Son of God. Actually, it’s likely he used scripture to see if He was, in fact, the Son of God, and not just the latest “Joe Messiah” to come around Judea. Once he realized that Jesus would not submit to his power - worse yet, that Jesus - a hungering Jew - was not interested in kicking out the Romans and returning power to the Jews - he knew Who he was dealing with - or at least had a good understanding of Who he was dealing with.
***Hi, tm!

…don’t mean to disagree… but Lucifer did know that Jesus was the Son of God… it is for this exact reason that he chose to offer not only Scriptures but also his own wisdom… “…for it is written…” “…all the kingdoms in the world are mine…” “…if you prostrate… adore me…” (all paraphrased); we also have several windows which indicate that Satan and his minions were very much aware of Jesus: “we are myriad… let us go into the pigs…” “…why have you come to torture us before time…”

Yet the most exact clue is that when Jesus Commanded Lucifer to leave Him… there was not even a “but…” Satan quickly removed himself from Christ’s sight! (St. Matthew 4:10-11)

Maran atha!

Angel***
 
***Hi, James!

…I think you hit the point several times… but you keep coming back to the receiver not the sender… as a child I learned that: “…el Verbo estaba con Dios y el Verbo era Dios…” which translates to: “the Verb was with God and the Verb was God…”

…soon I learned that: “…the Word was with God and that the Word was God…” This different term did not confused me for I knew that both Verb and Word referred to Christ Jesus…

The Source (Holy Spirit) did not change… the wording did change due to translations…

…yet this simple term “Word” is used to confuse the mind of many who openly claim that such thing cannot be… for them the meaning has changed through interpretation of the Word of God; so it is clear that interpretation corrupted the intellect but only the intellect not the Source… It is the same with the rest of the Holy Scriptures: through intellect we can discern human values (time frame, culture, language, science, intellect…) which can be corrupted according to the interpreter.

But we cannot discern God’s Design through human intellect and thus we must rely on the Source of the Holy Scriptures in order to determine the correct interpretation: ***
Wherefore, I give you to understand that no man, speaking by the Spirit of God, saith Anathema to Jesus. And no man can say The Lord Jesus, but by the Holy Ghost. (1 Corinthians 12:3–DRV)

No matter what language is used: the Word must always be God (John 1:1) because the Word of God is immutable!

Maran atha!

Angel
This is really hitting the nail on the head.
The Word (Capital W) is with God and this Word cannot be adequately captured by corporeal words.
The words (Small w) is with the corporeal and unfortunately Scripture (The Bible) had to be written with corporeal words.

I know you appreciate that I am not trying to belittle the bible, or anyones faith.
So it is obviously necessary to be properly disposed to receiving the Word while reading the words. Wouldn’t you agree?

Peace
James
 
Originally Posted by jcrichton
…just as in the case of the Pharisees and Sadducees, both group were very studious of the Sacred Writings and Sacred Traditions, respectedly… yet, Jesus called them both hypocrites because they new the letter of the Law but circumvented it to suit their own purposes… He made a distinction about their corruption of the Word and His Teachings (I am from above and you refuse to listen to me; yet, you accept and celebrate the teachings of man–paraphrased).

Excellant point. The fact that the two groups were so well versed on scripture, as it then existed, did not prevent their mistakes.

Two Questions please
  1. Why were these most learned men unable to correctly interpret scripture? Certainly God would have liked them to.
***Hi, James!

…normally, not; but prophecy determined that they would reject Jesus, so they had to be at odds with His Teachings… Paul renders what was revealed to him by the Holy Spirit:

7 What then? What Israel was seeking it did not attain, but the elect attained it; the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written: “God gave them a spirit of deep sleep, eyes that should not see and ears that should not hear, down to this very day.” 9 And David says: “Let their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them; 10 let their eyes grow dim so that they may not see, and keep their backs bent forever.” 11 Hence I ask, did they stumble so as to fall? Of course not! But through their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make them jealous. 12 Now if their transgression is enrichment for the world, and if their diminished number is enrichment for the Gentiles, how much more their full number. 13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I glory in my ministry 14 in order to make my race jealous and thus save some of them. 15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the firstfruits are holy, so is the whole batch of dough; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in their place and have come to share in the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. If you do boast, consider that you do not support the root; the root supports you. 19 Indeed you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is so. They were broken off because of unbelief, but you are there because of faith. So do not become haughty, but stand in awe. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, (perhaps) he will not spare you either. 22 See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not remain in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated one, how much more will they who belong to it by nature be grafted back into their own olive tree. 25 I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not become wise (in) your own estimation: a hardening has come upon Israel in part, until the full number of the Gentiles comes in, 26 and thus all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The deliverer will come out of Zion, he will turn away godlessness from Jacob; 27 and this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” 28 In respect to the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but in respect to election, they are beloved because of the patriarchs. 29 For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable. 30 Just as you once disobeyed God but have now received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they have now disobeyed in order that, by virtue of the mercy shown to you, they too may (now) receive mercy. 32 For God delivered all to disobedience, that he might have mercy upon all. (Romans 11:7-32)
…both the Scriptures and the correct source must converge for true Doctrine to exist!
  1. Of the 2 items in red above, which should be taken as the more necessary, Scripture or “the correct source”?
Peace
James

Notice that Paul speaks with authority about something not previously found in Scriptures… the Holy Spirit, the other Paraclete whom Jesus promised would come, is working in the Church making the necessary revelations as the Doctrine of Faith is developed. The Source is the Holy Spirit, who Inspired the Sacred Writings, so the Source supercedes the Written Word–this does not equate to “special personal revelation!” (2 St. Peter 1:20-21; 1 Timmothy 3:15)

Maran atha!

Angel
 
This is really hitting the nail on the head.
The Word (Capital W) is with God and this Word cannot be adequately captured by corporeal words.
The words (Small w) is with the corporeal and unfortunately Scripture (The Bible) had to be written with corporeal words.

I know you appreciate that I am not trying to belittle the bible, or anyones faith.
So it is obviously necessary to be properly disposed to receiving the Word while reading the words. Wouldn’t you agree?

Peace
James
***Hi, James!

…the fact that the Holy Scriptures are in man’s hands does not detract from their value as the inerrant Word of God; just as the Word that is Written in our hearts is not above the Holy Scriptures since they both depend upon two intrinsic and interdependent parts:

God who originates the Word and man who receives the word.

Yet, as you stated it is necessary to be properly disposed because the Wisdom of God can only be understood through Spiritual means:

God is Spirit, and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and truth." (St. John 4:24)

I shall ask the Father,
and he will give you another Paraclete
to be with you forever,
the Spirit of truth
whom the world can never accept
since it neither sees nor knows him;
but you know him,
because he is with you, he is in you. (St. John 14:16-17–see also 1 Corinthians 2:6-16)

It is by yielding our will to the Holy Spirit’s that we can come to know God. Yahweh God called us to His Son, Jesus, who in turn gave us His Apostles, through whom the Holy Spirit established Christ’s Church–the Church brought us the Sacred Writtings which reveals God’s Salvific Plan.

Maran atha!

Angel***
 
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