steve-b:
When did Peter not have control over the entire Church? When Jesus gave Peter the keys, who did Jesus leave out of Peter’s rule?
Does the See of Peter control the ancient Sees of Jerusalem, Antioch, etc.?
Of course. the ECF writings
Example:
Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, from ~69 a.d. to ~107 a.d. He wrote 6 letters to the Church in 6 locations . In his letter to the Church of Rome he writes to the Church that holds the presidency
here
QContinuum:
First among equals implies a very different understanding of the claim of primacy than what Roman Catholics hold to.
A Russian Orthodox priest, Fr Ambrose, who I used to communicate with on these forums back in the early days, said the following about first among equals
While that forum is long gone, here is his response to MariaG on that very point
Quote:
Originally Posted by MariaG
I would appreciate a modern (or ancient) analogy of how one is first among equals
Quote: Fr Ambrose
There is no such thing as a first among equals; this is a nonsensical term. If someone is first, the others are not equal; if all are equal, then none is first.
Here’s from then Card Ratzinger
3. In Christian literature, the expression begins to be used in the East when, from the fifth century, the idea of the Pentarchy gained ground, according to which there are five Patriarchs at the head of the Church, with the Church of Rome having the first place among these patriarchal sister Churches. In this connection, however, it needs to be noted that no Roman Pontiff ever recognized this equalization of the sees or accepted that only a primacy of honour be accorded to the See of Rome.It should be noted too thatthis patriarchal structure typical of the East never developed in the West. 4. The expression appears again in two letters of the Metropolitan Nicetas of Nicodemia (in the year 1136) and the Patriarch John X Camaterus (in office from 1198 to 1206), in which they protested that Rome, by presenting herself as mother and teacher, would annul their authority.In their view, Rome is only the first among sisters of equal dignity.
From
QContinuum:
This is not a new or radical idea. As Jharek rightly points out, the early churches had a messy and disparate history. And Anglicans, when asked what they are, will tell you many different things. (I suspect this is done to annoy orderly Catholics.)
People making up stuff without references, is NOT new or radical. It’s done all the time
