Can the saints hear us?

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What justification do we have for this? I’m just curious, since I was reading a CARM article about it. I’m confident Mary is our mother, after this article:
matt1618.freeyellow.com/woman.html

But what justification do we have for the saints hearing us? I’m not too sure Revelation 5:8 says enough, since it does not say THEY are HEARING our prayers as we speak them, that they can hear what is on earth?
 
What justification do we have for this? I’m just curious, since I was reading a CARM article about it. I’m confident Mary is our mother, after this article:
matt1618.freeyellow.com/woman.html

But what justification do we have for the saints hearing us? I’m not too sure Revelation 5:8 says enough, since it does not say THEY are HEARING our prayers as we speak them, that they can hear what is on earth?
Sure seems the Elijah and Moses had no problem hearing and conversing with Christ when He, our perfect example, took His disciples up the mountain for the transfiguration… 🤷
 
Yes, but that does not say that they are hearing in Heaven…

I’m not being a troll, I’m just trying to figure out what’s right.
 
I think some of this gets into Sacred Tradition rather than Sacred Scripture.

To be labeled a “saint” by the Church, an over-the-top unexplainable miracle must be attributed to the saint in question. Usually, at a time of great distress, some person prays and asks the dead person to go to God and request help for their cause. A verifiable miracle occurs. Only after multiple fully vetted miracles does a person that has died and (apparently) gone to Heaven do they get the label of “Saint” by the Church.

So - question for you - do you believe in “Guardian Angels”? I’m pretty certain that the concept of protective angels is in scripture. Can they hear you? I would guess so - they are interacting with the physical world it would seem. Can they communicate with the spiritual? I would be hard pressed to say, “no”! Seems logical and supported to me.
 
What justification do we have for this? I’m just curious, since I was reading a CARM article about it. I’m confident Mary is our mother, after this article:
matt1618.freeyellow.com/woman.html

But what justification do we have for the saints hearing us? I’m not too sure Revelation 5:8 says enough, since it does not say THEY are HEARING our prayers as we speak them, that they can hear what is on earth?
The “justfiication” is that the Church tells us we can. And why can I say that? Because the Church has the authority to decide all matters of faith and morals.

You are being a “sola scripturist” by thinking that everything we believe must have a Bible verse to “prove” it. It doesn’t work that way. The Bible is the witness of the Church not the justification for the Church’s teachings. As a document (which is what it is) it has no authority to interpret itself, and indeed it cannot. Just as the US Constitution needs the Supreme Court to decide its meaning for us Americans, so the Bible needs the Church to decide what it means for us as Christians.

Jesus tells us that the dead are not dead but alive with God. It was the teaching of the Apostles and the Early Church that those who have gone before us are as much as part of the Church as those living on earth. This means we are all one body in Christ which even death cannot separate. Therefore, we can all pray for one another because the “dead” are alive and intercede on our behalf. I hope that helps.
 
The “justfiication” is that the Church tells us we can. And why can I say that? Because the Church has the authority to decide all matters of faith and morals.

You are being a “sola scripturist” by thinking that everything we believe must have a Bible verse to “prove” it. It doesn’t work that way. The Bible is the witness of the Church not the justification for the Church’s teachings. As a document (which is what it is) it has no authority to interpret itself, and indeed it cannot. Just as the US Constitution needs the Supreme Court to decide its meaning for us Americans, so the Bible needs the Church to decide what it means for us as Christians.

Jesus tells us that the dead are not dead but alive with God. It was the teaching of the Apostles and the Early Church that those who have gone before us are as much as part of the Church as those living on earth. This means we are all one body in Christ which even death cannot separate. Therefore, we can all pray for one another because the “dead” are alive and intercede on our behalf. I hope that helps.
Beautiful!! and very clarifier. Thanks
 
Even the Sola Scripturist has evidence that the saint’s can and do hear our prayers.

[bibledrb] Revelation 5:8 [/bibledrb]

How else do they get the vials of incense that are the prayers of the saints (notice lower case saints).
 
What justification do we have for this? I’m just curious, since I was reading a CARM article about it. I’m confident Mary is our mother, after this article:
matt1618.freeyellow.com/woman.html

But what justification do we have for the saints hearing us? I’m not too sure Revelation 5:8 says enough, since it does not say THEY are HEARING our prayers as we speak them, that they can hear what is on earth?
I would suggest that you get out of CARM…that is a very virulent anti-Catholic site.

Stick to this site to learn what actually your faith is and teaches.

Search the threads for CARM, and read the experiences of those who have visited the site, even some protestants could not stomach that site.

And yes, saints can hear us…for when in heaven, those who are there have the attributes of angels…so says Matthew’s gospel.

So if you believe angels can hear us, then saints can certainly hear us.
 
=kdganey1991;8934285]What justification do we have for this? I’m just curious, since I was reading a CARM article about it. I’m confident Mary is our mother, after this article:
matt1618.freeyellow.com/woman.html
But what justification do we have for the saints hearing us? I’m not too sure Revelation 5:8 says enough, since it does not say THEY are HEARING our prayers as we speak them, that they can hear what is on earth?
Here is a biblical foundation for this worthy but not mandated preactice. It MUST be accepted by piety is a persoanl [and excellent] practice:thumbsup:

PRAYER

**Tob.12: 15 **“I am Raphael, one of the seven holy angels who present the prayers of the saints and enter into the presence of the glory of the Holy One."

** 2 Tim. 1: 16-18 **Paul Prays for the dead: 16 May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me-- 18 may the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that Day–and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus.”

**Passage Ephesians 6 :18 “**The prayer of a righteous man has great power as long as you persevere.” …. There is a misunderstanding between protestants and Catholics on the phrase "pray to Mary or pray to St Thomas etc. Protestants take those phrases literally as if we Catholics pray to Mary or the Saints directly and waiting for them to answer our pleas directly …

Heb. 13: 7 “Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God; consider the outcome of their life, and imitate their faith”

Rev.5: 8 “And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints; “

**2 Mac. 12: 39 –45 **“On the next day, as by that time it had become necessary, Judas and his men went to take up the bodies of the fallen and to bring them back to lie with their kinsmen in the sepulchres of their fathers. Then under the tunic of every one of the dead they found sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear. And it became clear to all that this was why these men had fallen. So they all blessed the ways of the Lord, the righteous Judge, who reveals the things that are hidden; and they turned to prayer, beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out. And the noble Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen. He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.”

God Bless,
Pat:)
 
I would suggest that you get out of CARM…that is a very virulent anti-Catholic site.

Stick to this site to learn what actually your faith is and teaches.

Search the threads for CARM, and read the experiences of those who have visited the site, even some protestants could not stomach that site.

And yes, saints can hear us…for when in heaven, those who are there have the attributes of angels…so says Matthew’s gospel.

So if you believe angels can hear us, then saints can certainly hear us.
Completely agree…stay away from CARM! 👍

And yes, the Saints absolutely can hear us. They’re not “dead people;” they’re living in the presence of our Lord. The book of Revelation shows Saints offering up prayers and petitions before God. They’re not praying for themselves, as they have no needs! They’re praying for those of us who have not yet joined them. But they’re not omniscient. James tells us that the prayers of the righteous are powerful and effective. How much more so are the prayers of those who are holy in God’s sight! So yes, they pray; and yes, they offer those prayers for us. We, in turn, can boldly present our prayers to them, trusting that they will join us in petitioning the Lord of all mercy and grace!
 
What justification do we have for this? I’m just curious, since I was reading a CARM article about it. I’m confident Mary is our mother, after this article:
matt1618.freeyellow.com/woman.html

But what justification do we have for the saints hearing us? I’m not too sure Revelation 5:8 says enough, since it does not say THEY are HEARING our prayers as we speak them, that they can hear what is on earth?
Since you are a wondering, confused, in your faith as a Catholic, I will give you these quotes.
Under the CCC 956 is says this about two saints who are canonized.

St. Dominic,dying, said to his fellow brothers, “Do not weep, for I shall be more useful to you after my death and I shall help you then more effectively than during my life.”

St. Therese of Lisieux, “I want to spend my heaven in doing good on earth.”

St. Augustine mentions the use of their merits and grace we receive from God thru their intercession(Contra Faustum XX 21).

Just some nice thoughts of those who love us upstairs.
 
Heb 12:1 tells us that we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses (the saints of chapter 11).
 
Thought these were relevant

Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them,** heard I **saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

2macc15:11 So he armed every one of them, not with defence of shield and spear, but with very good speeches and exhortations, and told them a dream worthy to be believed, whereby he rejoiced them all.
12 Now the vision was in this manner: **Onias who had been **high priest, a good and virtuous man, modest in his looks, gentle in his manners, and graceful in his speech, and who from a child was exercised in virtues, holding up his hands, **prayed for **all the people of the Jews:
13 After this there appeared also an- other man, admirable for age, and glory, and environed with great beauty and majesty :
14 Then Onias **answering, **Raid: This is a lover of his brethren, and of the people of Israel: **this is he that prayeth much for the people, **and for all the holy city, Jeremias the prophet of God.15 Whereupon Jeremias stretched forth his right hand, and gave to Judas a sword of gold, saying:
 
For what it’s worth
Tob 12:12 When thou didst pray with tears, and didst bury the dead, and didst leave thy dinner, and hide the dead by day in thy house, and bury them by night, I offered thy prayer to the Lord…15 For I am the angel Raphael, one of the seven, who stand before the Lord.
 
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