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I don’t believe they were made into soap and lampshades, either. But… I do believe they were systematically rounded up and deliberately killed by the millions. Do you? Does Bishop Williamson?
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I hope I don’t make you sorry you asked, but here’s what makes me tick. For today anyway. Friday I may recant
…Like I said, I don’t deny there are those who want a new world order. It’s not a kooky theory.
As far as 9/11, it’s hard for me to believe the terrorists would work with us on that one. And to pull off a stunt like that, far too many would have to know about it to make it happen. Someone would have blew the whistle, or come clean by now. Just MHO though
More of ignorance to the facts on some of these things than lack of interest.
And I’d rather talk about the Church, so…
I do believe Satan is hard at work. He’s got a death grip on many of the powers that be, both in the Church and outside it. He’s got to love a heretic, and I’m sure he hates Williamson.
Luther may have thought he beat Satan, but he is a fool. Luther played right into Satan’s hand. Protestants are fools. They can preach all they want about the evils of Satan, but Satan smiles as they do so, because they are seperated from HMC. Christ said Church, not churches. Christ willed Unity in His Church, not interfaith tolerance as an option. Fools and heretics teach ecumenism of tolerance. Apostles teach ecumemism of return.
Is the smoke of satan in the Vatican ? Yes, IMO it always has been. But never as it is now. Cardinals flirt with heresy. Confusion abounds. Or perhaps it just seems a larger problem today because of the internet. We can bring just about anything we want to hear onto our monitors. Or don’t agree with.
And both sides have their own infinite library to draw upon for our little virtual inquisitions here on the net. The whole world can watch if they like, or join in.
And Satan presides here. Big time. No matter what ones mindset. Traditional or otherwise. In 90 % of the most popular threads here on this TC forum, Satan manipulates us and makes fools of us. And what really pleases Satan is that the traditionalists, who are his real target, disregard the Contrary Virtues to the Deadly Sins of Anger and Pride and fall away from what we so diligently defend by letting Pride and Anger touch our souls. Prudence is set aside. We’ve got to stop.
We won’t stop defending traditional catholicism from those who attack it, but we have to realize that those attacking us, and our defense of traditional catholicism ,are doing just that. Attacking us and our words. While this is going on, Satan is waging his demonic attack on our Faith itself. Traditional catholicism itself. He wants to separate us from the Virtues that will save us. Anger and Pride should never be given a chance to weaken our defense of the faith. Those who are manipulated by Satan to attack us fall also into these deadly sins. Us, them, catholicism. Three strikes and Satan wins this one. And, as I said, right here for all the world to see how it’s done. Anti Catholicism 101.
So this is relavent to the OP perhaps. If the SSPX and their flock can step back and review their understanding of everything on pages 20 - 28 in the Roman Catholic Daily Missal, and embrace it with all their heart, then they do have a fighting chance to defend the faith from within the Church. The strength and courage needed is right there in those pages. Rome can deny them not a single word therein. Oh how Satan would despise that.
I have an independent chapel a mile or so from my home. I’m pretty sure it came about as need to fill the void left by Fr Wathen’s death. God rest his soul. I’m not sure why St John’s Priory was abandoned in favour of the new location.
There is also an SSPX chapel a couple of miles from home. They have a small choir, and on their website one can listen to a few clips off their CD. I was listening to their JesuChriste one night, and my wife called my name in an urgent tone. I turned the volume down and went into the living room and she had a strange look. She asked if I was listening to music, and when I said yes, she said it had scared her. She said she listened about 20 seconds or so before she called me, and had honestly thought angels were coming to take her. She thought she was dying. Neither of us laughed it off.
I have no doubt whatsoever that I would reap tremendous spiritual gain from joining either Chapel. I’ve dressed for Mass a couple of times with the intent of praying the Mass at one of them. But I can’t do it. And that tears at my soul every day of my life. As long as there are those such as Ranjith and Benedict XVI in Rome I cannot do it. I cannot embrace such a beautiful faith separated from Rome. I’m a cradle Roman Catholic who foolishly left the Church once. I will never do so again.
I have to attend a Forma Extrordinaria on Sunday with an NO Altar sitting there between me and the High Altar to remind me something changed in 1970. And on weekdays, if my work schedule permits, I attend an NO, with a High Altar which has become a nice place to keep the tabernacle. Since 1970.
Dear God, what were they thinking ?
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I_Believe, thanks for your post. I think I understood where you are coming from. I sympathize with your POV quite a lot. I have been very tempted to go to the SSPX chapel in Glasgow. We go to the diocesan celebration of the EF. There are about 25 people there, at least half of them elderly. We are the only family with children. Meanwhile, a couple of miles away, more than 100 people go to the SSPX chapel. I hear there are several families with young children. I have been encouraged to go there by people who claim it’s so much better (although they weren’t able to really articulate what is better about it.)
Meanwhile, the Archbishop of Glasgow says that there is little interest in the EF in his archdiocese. He’s right - there are only 25 people who want it, and some of them come from outside the diocese. He’s not obligated to count those who do not fall under his jurisdiction. So, while there may be over a hundred people in the area who want it, they don’t count. By going to the SSPX, they have left his pastoral flock.
Oh, and it seems that a lot of Catholics don’t know the Latin Mass is even allowed. I was told exactly that at a committee meeting recently. They had no idea that there were diocesan EF masses. They don’t want to know.
I don’t have much optimism for the EF in Scotland. The majority of people who are attracted to it are siphoned off to the SSPX, and they are then told to avoid any diocesan Masses. (That’s on the FAQ of the SSPX.org website. Members are strongly urged to eschew any EF masses celebrated in churches that also celebrate the NO.)
Meanwhile, the Archbishop of Glasgow says that there is little interest in the EF in his archdiocese. He’s right - there are only 25 people who want it, and some of them come from outside the diocese. He’s not obligated to count those who do not fall under his jurisdiction. So, while there may be over a hundred people in the area who want it, they don’t count. By going to the SSPX, they have left his pastoral flock.
Oh, and it seems that a lot of Catholics don’t know the Latin Mass is even allowed. I was told exactly that at a committee meeting recently. They had no idea that there were diocesan EF masses. They don’t want to know.
I don’t have much optimism for the EF in Scotland. The majority of people who are attracted to it are siphoned off to the SSPX, and they are then told to avoid any diocesan Masses. (That’s on the FAQ of the SSPX.org website. Members are strongly urged to eschew any EF masses celebrated in churches that also celebrate the NO.)
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Hi Hopeful, and thanks. I edited a lot out of my post. Way too long initially.
It’s good to hear you do have an EF to attend. Many do not. I really don’t understand why 25 isn’t enough to give it a chance in Glasgow. Spirtual needs should be met if at all possible, and who knows, it may draw more once it’s availible.
It’s sad that such an important Motu Proprio is ackowledged, then so easily dismissed without careful thought.
It’s good to hear you do have an EF to attend. Many do not. I really don’t understand why 25 isn’t enough to give it a chance in Glasgow. Spirtual needs should be met if at all possible, and who knows, it may draw more once it’s availible.
It’s sad that such an important Motu Proprio is ackowledged, then so easily dismissed without careful thought.
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Well, chasing those links was a waste of time. I want to see the letter, not what someone who doesn’t like him says he wrote.
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Such statements do not make anyone less Catholic or more heretical. For me, it does call me to question his judgment and wonder if he might have some mental disorder, but that is only a passing thought. I would feel the same about a bishop who spoke of UFO abductions or wore an aluminum foil hat to keep out radio waves.
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HashemEchad
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If you want to know why a Jew would not want to convert, here are just a few reasons:
The Inquisitions
The Crusades
Forced expulsions under threat of forced baptism or death (as happened to my mother’s Spanish ancestors in 1492.)
A religion that teaches that God came in human form (chas ve’sholom), as opposed to Deut. 4, which says God does not take on human form
A religion that teaches that its followers consume the body and blood of their god (also against the Torah which says not to consume any manner of blood.)
Incidentally, it was not a lamb that God provided for Abraham, it was a RAM. Read the passage in the Bible, it says God showed him a RAM caught in the thicket, to use INSTEAD of Isaac…thus showing that God does NOT desire human sacrifice…
I could go on, but those are just a few of the more familiar reasons.
But if the traditional Catholic religion works FOR YOU, and other Gentiles, GO FOR IT. I would never want to see any nonJews leave such a beautiful religion, even if I and other Jews can never accept it.
If it makes you a better person, I am especially supportive of you staying with it. And since Judaism does not seek converts from amongst nonJews, we have no problem with Christianity or Islam being there for nonJews.
(I did not post here to be proselytized to, because trust me, I can more than adequately defend my faith; been doing it now for many years with Protestant missionaries in debates offline)…I just wanted to say that the traditional Latin Mass is very beautiful and awe-inspiring, but it holds no religious significance for me.
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Just a few quick points as time is short at the moment…
This is a from a Catholic Commentary on Abraham and Isaac.
They’ll soon have to find other reasons. Modern historical scholarship is vindicating the Church on both the Crusades and the Holy Inquisition. “the Black Legend” is proving to be more legend than fact.
I find it fascinating that you thought I was referring to the Ram. That teaches me a lesson on religious language. All of the Old Testament points towards Christ. I don’t understand why jews don’t see that or what the meaning is for them in regards salvation.
This is a from a Catholic Commentary on Abraham and Isaac.
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