Can there be an Eastern Catholic pope?

[Wandile]

No he is the Bishop of Rome not the Roman Bishop

That is literally the same thing

and he receives the responsibility of that title and diocese after being elected Pope.

When they are electing the pope They are electing a bishop for the vacant see of Rome. Hence it’s called a sede vacante (empty chair) because the chair of the bishop of Rome is empty . Notice “pope” is not one of his titles, it’s a nickname that now exclusively belongs to the Bishop of Rome but once was used by many priests. The Bishop of Rome is the office the conclave is electing a candidate for… He succeeds Peter becaue Peter himself was the Roman bishop and died in the see. Hence when Pope Francis was elected he explitly stated he was elected as the new bishop of Rome. There is no job as “pope”. The Roman bishop is the bishop of the archdiocese of Rome and holds a universal primacy by virtue of succeding Peter in his chair at Rome.

The day-to-day processes are irrelevant and can be handled after the fact. The rule is any Cardinal in the Catholic Church can become the Pope, that includes Eastern bishops because they are part of the Church.

Rather it’s any male catholic can be pope. However custom and due consideration must be taken to respect the people who will be the subjects of the bishop. You need a bishop familiar with the customs, theology, language and all else that comes with the position of being a bishop wherever.

doesn’t have to be an Italian Pope either, we have had Benedict and JPII.

I said it would be ideal for Italian popes… I didn’t say he has to be.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

That is literally the same thing

When they are electing the pope They are electing a bishop for the vacant are of Rome. Notice “pope” is not one of his titles. Bishop of Rome is… He succeds Peter becaue Peter himself the Roman bishop and died in the see. Hence when Pope Francis was elected he explitly stated he was elected as the new bishop of Rome. There is no job as “pope”. The Roman bishop is the bishop of the archdiocese of Rome and holds a universal primacy by virtue of succeding Peter I’m in his chair at Rome.

Rather it’s any catholic can be pope. However custom and due consideration must be taken to respect the people who will be the subjects of the bishop. You need a bishop familiar with the customs, theology, language and all else that comes with the position of being a bishop wherever.

[Quots]doesn’t have to be an Italian Pope either, we have had Benedict and JPII.

Doesn’t change the fact that an Eastern Catholic can be Pope. What we would like is irrelevant.

 

[Wandile]

Doesn’t change the fact that an Eastern Catholic can be Pope. What we would like is irrelevant.

I never said an eastern catholic couldn’t

I just sought to highlight why I agree with the previous poster as to why the pope should be a Latin.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

I never said an eastern catholic couldn’t

I just sought to highlight why I agree with the previous poster as to why the pope should be a Latin.

And I’m just highlighting that our personal preference on the issue is irrelevant. There is no valid reason for an Eastern Catholic not to be Pope.

 

[Kielbasi]

And I’m just highlighting that our personal preference on the issue is irrelevant. There is no valid reason for an Eastern Catholic not to be Pope.

Its fair enough to say that there is no reason why an Eastern Catholic to be elected, but once he’s serving, and doing his liturgical duties like saying Midnight Mass at Christmas at St. Peter’s, he’d really be a de facto Latin Rite prelate like every other pope.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

Its fair enough to say that there is no reason why an Eastern Catholic to be elected, but once he’s serving, and doing his liturgical duties like saying Midnight Mass at Christmas at St. Peter’s, he’d really be a de facto Latin Rite prelate like every other pope.

Doesn’t matter what Rite he performs Mass in. They are all Catholic.

 

[Duane1966]

This really does not pertain to the question but…before the split 21 popes came from the Eastern half of the Church.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

This really does not pertain to the question but…before the split 21 popes came from the Eastern half of the Church.

Really? I haven’t checked that far back. Do you have some names? I wonder how the daily processes were handled as the other posters have brought up e.g. Christmas Mass etc.

 

[Duane1966]

Really? I haven’t checked that far back. Do you have some names? I wonder how the daily processes were handled as the other posters have brought up e.g. Christmas Mass etc.

The Greek Popes

1. Cletus (91)
   Telesphorus (139)
   Hyginuus (142)
   Eleutherius (192)
   Anterus (235)
   Sixtus II (258)
   Eusebius (310)
   Zosimus (418)
   Theodore I (649)
   Agatho (681)
   Leo II (683)
   John VI (705)
   John VII (707)
   Zacharias (752).
   
   The Syrian PopesEvaristus (107)
   Anicetus (168)
   John V (687)
   Serguis I (701)
   Sisinnius (708)
   Constantine I (715)
   Gregory III (732).

 

[SAVINGRACE]

The Greek Popes

1. Cletus (91)
   Telesphorus (139)
   Hyginuus (142)
   Eleutherius (192)
   Anterus (235)
   Sixtus II (258)
   Eusebius (310)
   Zosimus (418)
   Theodore I (649)
   Agatho (681)
   Leo II (683)
   John VI (705)
   John VII (707)
   Zacharias (752).
   
   The Syrian PopesEvaristus (107)
   Anicetus (168)
   John V (687)
   Serguis I (701)
   Sisinnius (708)
   Constantine I (715)
   Gregory III (732).

1. 
   Just to clarify, these Popes would also be considered Patriarchs of Eastern Orthodoxy? We were one then.

 

[Duane1966]

Just to clarify, these Popes would also be considered Patriarchs of Eastern Orthodoxy?

No, but they came from the Eastern half of the Catholic Church. There was no Eastern Orthodoxy.

We were one then.

Yes and no. The Oriental Orthodox split came before the election of about half of the Eastern Popes.

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=2741

 

[SAVINGRACE]

No, but they came from the Eastern half of the Catholic Church. There was no Eastern Orthodoxy. Yes and no. The Oriental Orthodox split came before the election of about half of the Eastern Popes.

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=2741

What I mean is does Eastern Orthodoxy today claim them as EO Patriarchs?

 

[Duane1966]

What I mean is does Eastern Orthodoxy today claim them as EO Patriarchs?

They were not patriarchs, but they were bishops of the Eastern Church.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

They were not patriarchs, but they were bishops of the Eastern Church.

 

[Kielbasi]

Doesn’t matter what Rite he performs Mass in. They are all Catholic.

I would disagree with that, if the Pope is saying mass in a Latin Rite church for his Latin Rite diocese, the expectation is that the mass should be Latin Rite.

If a Greek Catholic were made the Bishop of Pittsburgh, I would be confused if he did otherwise.

 

[Wandile]

And I’m just highlighting that our personal preference on the issue is irrelevant. There is no valid reason for an Eastern Catholic not to be Pope.

And as I said the only time this should happen is if truly the eastern catholic is the best candidate… when this happened in the first millennium (besides the forced byzantine papacy) this was the case

 

[SAVINGRACE]

I would disagree with that, if the Pope is saying mass in a Latin Rite church for his Latin Rite diocese, the expectation is that the mass should be Latin Rite.

If a Greek Catholic were made the Bishop of Pittsburgh, I would be confused if he did otherwise.

Doesn’t matter, all the Rites are still Catholic. When we had Eastern Catholic Popes in the past, it hasn’t been an issue, why would it be an issue now? You’re creating a problem where there isn’t one.

 

[Wandile]

I would disagree with that, if the Pope is saying mass in a Latin Rite church for his Latin Rite diocese, the expectation is that the mass should be Latin Rite.

If a Greek Catholic were made the Bishop of Pittsburgh, I would be confused if he did otherwise.

In fact this is why the tridentine rite was standardised across the Latin Church barring a few regions where there rite was old enough to not be suppresed. It was to make sure each Latin could not be confused by the liturgy celebrated by the priest or bishop… no matter where they would go it would be the same.

I think Saving grace does not want admit the fact that the pope is a Latin bishop. If he were eastern he would have to learn the rite of the Romans for the sake of his diocese.

We can’t just pretend that his Latin faculties and duties don’t exist. what disrespect that would be to all his diocese and patriarchal church.

 

[Kielbasi]

Doesn’t matter, all the Rites are still Catholic. When we had Eastern Catholic Popes in the past, it hasn’t been an issue, why would it be an issue now? You’re creating a problem where there isn’t one.

If an Eastern Catholic pope were saying the liturgy in the Latin Rite for the Latin Rite faithful, it wouldn’t be a problem.

It would be confusion otherwise.

Particularly if you consider the fact that Popes don’t celebrate mass alone, but with a whole company of subordinate bishops, priests, deacons, and others, who would also have to be thoroughly trained in eastern liturgical practices.

 

[SAVINGRACE]

If an Eastern Catholic pope were saying the liturgy in the Latin Rite for the Latin Rite faithful, it wouldn’t be a problem.

It would be confusion otherwise.

Particularly if you consider the fact that Popes don’t celebrate mass alone, but with a whole company of subordinate bishops, priests, deacons, and others, who would also have to be thoroughly trained in eastern liturgical practices.

Non-issue. I’m sure the Church leaders know what needs to be done if an Eastern Catholic became Pope.