Can unbaptized people go to heaven?

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Hoosier-Daddy said:
Why would God institute something say it was required, then decide it is unnecessary?
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It’s not unnecessary. I never said it was unnecessary. If you know you should be baptized, you are required to be baptized. But if you think of this requirement as a payment or due, you do not understand the scriptures and you’re picturing God as a pagan diety.

God has no wants or needs. God does not need you. God does not need any of us. Everything He gives us is for our benefit, not His. So baptism is for our benefit, not His.
 
It seems to me that the Imacculate Conception implies that the Mother of God did not need to be baptized.

If that is the case, the Queen of Heaven is an example of an unbaptized person in heaven. It is an extraordinary exception, but everything God does is extraordinary. What God does is beyond our understanding.
 
Ellipses said:
So we can all agree the answer to the question is yes.
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The answer is that we have reason to hope that, through God’s mercy, the answer is yes.

From a Catholic point of view, we cannot go beyond what has been revealed to us. God has not revealed to us what happens to unbaptized infants.
 
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That really makes less sense than asking what the meaning of is is
 
No we can’t agree the answer is yes. The answer is at best we don’t know but we can hope. Baptism can come in other forms. Death for faith, desire of your soul. I do want to clarify, baptism of desire does not mean the “gee, yes, I guess I want to go to heaven and stay out of hell now that I’m dead.” It means my soul desires to follow and believe all the Church intends.
 
Thank you. I agree with you that all religions can simply answer at best we do not know for sure.

Which is why the golden rule is so important regardless of what anyone believes.
 
Why do you say you agree with me when I said no such thing. That is disingenuous and not in keeping with your “golden rule” on your end.
 
No, unbalrized people cannot g to heaven.

Keep in mind that there is baptism of water, baptism of blood and baptism of desire.
 
Would that include everyone who lived prior to the coming of Jesus?
 
My mother has lost three children before they were born. They didn’t even have a chance to be baptized. We are bound by the sacraments, God is not. However, under NORMATIVE circumstances, baptism is required. See Mk 16:16.
 
No it would not include anyone before the sacrament was established. Remember the creed?
 
Everyone who followed the God-given law and hoped in the Messiah to come, yes.
 
As it says in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism , the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.
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We have reason to hope that, by the mercy of God, these children are in heaven.
 
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At the last judgment the book of life will be opened and Jesus will judge everyone…he is the one who will say who will and who won’t enter heaven…he has made it clear that not all who call him Lord will enter heaven…or those who think they will be first will be last
 
What I am reading today is non-sense. To him who knows to do right and does not do it, this is sin. When a baby dies, what sin will they be guilty of?
 
Yes, the Catechism is clear on this.

If an unbaptized person dies while preparing for his baptism, or is martyred for his faith in Jesus, then he goes right to Heaven and the stance of the Church is that his blood baptized him.

If an adult dies without being baptized and he didn’t get a chance to embrace Christ, then if he lived righteously he’ll still go to Heaven because he would have been baptized if he desired it.

If a child dies without being baptized, the best we can do is hope that God is merciful. Having said that the Catechism notes specifically that Jesus loved children, and all of the most recent Popes have publicly stated that they believe unbaptized children go to Heaven. Personally, given everything I know about Catholicism, I think it would be out of character for God to keep unbaptized children out of Heaven.
 
mrsdizzyd said:
Since this is a Catholic forum, I think it is important to make clear that this is not Catholic teaching.
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Actually, it’s consistent with Catholic Theology (at least if it means “everybody has a chance”). The Church rejects predetermination.
 
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