Can we discuss Judaism without the politics?

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You can say that about many other religions. Zoroastrianism is not part of the Western Christian historical narrative.
 
What’s wrong with saying that Judaism evolved over time and was influenced by Zoroastrianism due to jews living in Persia for 300 years?

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/15283-zoroastrianism

Here’s what a jewish encyclopedia from 1906 says:
Most scholars, Jewish as well as non-Jewish, are of the opinion that Judaism was strongly influenced by Zoroastrianism in views relating to angelology and demonology, and probably also in the doctrine of the resurrection, as well as in eschatological ideas in general, and also that the monotheistic conception of Yhwh may have been quickened and strengthened by being opposed to the dualism or quasi-monotheism of the Persians.
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Now I know many people don’t hold that view, but I do and I think it’s a reasonable position to hold.

But I take issue with saying Zoroastrianism is dualistic or quasi-monotheistic. Ahura Mazda created Ahriman
 
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Mostly I’m just being asking because my original point (that shutting down all discussion and insulting anyone who has legitimate questions and doubts) was turned into “you’re scrum! You denier!” And then my posts were deleted, leaving the smear (that i am a “denier”) unchallenged and all evidence of what i did say being erased.

The narrative cannot be questioned. But since the mod told me i will be banned for daring to ask a question, i suppose this will be it for me.
 
Considering this is a topic called can we discuss Judaism without the politics, this isn’t the topic for that kind of discussion–since it would be with the politics
 
However, sometimes the word “Talmud” is used to mean only the Gemara, not the Mishnah.
 
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That is absurd. And that is the type of exageration I am talking about.
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How about doing some research on the matter before you call something absurd? War is frankly h*ll, and people do unspeakable things to one another.
You have every right to feel hurt by being called “scum.” And I am sorry that it happened. So now you have two choices. They are; stay and forgive, or leave Catholic Answers Forums and hopefully forgive.
 
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The Nazis would time prisoners up, lay them down on the ground and slowing drive a tank over them. Or just drive a tank into crowds, driving over whomever couldn’t get out of the way.
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That is absurd. And that is the type of exageration I am talking about.

I find it hilarious that exactly no evidence has been provided, but i have been called scum, had my posts deleted, and accused of being a Nazi despite my never denying the holocaust happened…

Questioning the narrative equals a personal attack but calling someone scum is apparently just fine.
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Well, that’s what a World War II vet (my elementary school music teacher) told my entire class. He said he was there and just avoided being killed himself as others were killed by the tank.

Why do you think this man, who was my elementary school music teacher would lie to a bunch of elementary school students back in the 1980s?
 
We were exposed to the pagan religions of the era, though don’t be fooled, the G-d of Avraham, Yitzach and Yaakov came before any fake deities anyone can think up. Go in peace
 
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I’d like to know how so. Based on my education, there is no Devil in Judaism. HaSatan is an ally of G-d, he works for the Divine. Did that change while in Babylon, I don’t know. Id like to see what you’d have to bring to the table. We do know that the Chazal (sages) we’re very honest when it came to these kind of things. For example, we’re told by Nachmanides that our calendar was an off-shoot of Persia. Therefore, we’d expect to see that kind of honesty anywhere else. Because we don’t see it as much leads me to believe that our tradition did not simply steal from the pagan nations.
 
I called you scum for good reason. Though I apologize for it, note for future dialogues that the Shoah is VERY personal as well as emotional, therefore, don’t step on any toes. We’re all doing our hardest to keep things civil here, won’t you help us meet that goal?
 
You’re wrong here. First, I’d like to see proof of such parallels, and how are you sure Dovid HaMelech didn’t write first?

Secondly, there is no Devil figure in Judaism in the Christian sense of the character, so you can’t compare the two. Isaiah 45:7 reminds us that only G-d is in control, for it is He who creates both good and evil.

Go in peace my friend
 
Note well how your quote from the Jewish Encyclopedia stayed “most scholars” and not most rabbis. The two don’t usually agree on anything, so I wouldn’t put any stock on it.
 
So true on your statement there. However, when I say Talmud, I’ll usually be referring to both. Shalom
 
Rabbi, I have a few questions.
Is it OK for a Roman Catholic to attend a Jewish service on Friday evening at a Jewish temple. Does he need to be wearing a yarmulke and how would he introduce himself ?
Secondly, what are the dietary regulations and how strictly do they need to be followed. From a Jewish standpoint, should a non-Jew observe any of them.
Thirdly, who are the Haredi Jews ?
 
SHALOM
Research it! I had just found it! I take that back! I started to research it. A hyperlink brought me to YouTube! It showed(are you ready for this) a 12 yo, alleged Jewish boy, holding his Mom’s hand. They asked him about drinking Christian blood!! He answered,”Oh,Yes, every Sabbath!) I know in my heart, this cannot be! But, we have KKK & militias. KKK as you know, hates blacks, Jews & Catholics. I thought maybe there is s fringe group? I hoped not.
Well, my Pope may have cancelled out poor Simon. But the Russian Orthodox is holding on.
It must be so tiresome dealing w anti-sematism. Pogroms! Is it ever to stop. I guess after the Messiah…
Evil in the world is so bad, I don’t know if the church is strong enough to overcome it.Its in my church. Pediophiles have got to go to jail. They defrocked 848 priests & let them go free in the world. 2592 are ordered to a life of prayer and penance. So, they live in apts and can send for boys???
The Pope can’t sentence to jail(?) Turn them over to Police. We, may, have 1000 more homosexual priests serving mass & sacraments. SIGH!God help us! The gates of hell shall not prevail against us.(from outside)?? But from inside(???)
Good night! I appreciate your finding that news blurb. In time, maybe we’ll all get sync’d.
That Simon story was so strange b/c he was 2 yo sitting on front step w parents going to church. I thought, my 2 yo’s would have been gone. Maybe there was a maid???
Simon can rest now…
SHALOM.
Alice
 
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Yes, I see that as a threat. Am I Jewish? That’s up to you to decide, I can’t do your thinking for you. You likely think I’m just a Khazar anyway. And no, I’ve never once asked anyone in this forum to confirm to why views, nice try.

If all you planned to do on this forum was mock the Shoah, I feel bad for you.
 
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