That is true, but pastoral need must be demostrated and it is not commonly done. It is doubtful this would be allowed for a mission parish. The Typika service, if necessary, is led by a deacon who, in some cases, is a “borrowed” deacon given bi-ritual faculties.
I mentioned pastoral need. It’s very clear-cut this this rite/church.
Respectfully, that’s a little more of a Western view. While it is certainly not ideal, mission parishes are sustained for as short a period as possible via use of a Typika service. It is usually done once or twice a month, in a Catholic church, until a dedicated church building can be found. The mission parishioners would attend the Latin (or other) “host” parish Mass to fulfill obligation when the Typika is not offered.
Same reason on both counts - availability, and willingness / ability of the local Latin bishop to help sustain the mission.
His Grace John Stephen Pazak, D.D
The community is small, it has already gone through what looks like a demographic collapse.
That not a position taken by the Church.
I feel this is betraying my own hierarchy. If I’m going to burn bridges anyway, I’d rather jump the “communion” line. There is a Slovak community in my area but they are Roman Catholics (there is a RC ethnic parish for them).
Not true when the bishop has blessed a deacon to celebrate the Typika in the absence of a priest in order to keep the parish worshipping together and receiving the Mysteries. I have received such a blessing and I take offense that I should simply tell my people to go somewhere else to receive the Mysteries when a priest cannot attend (in the Midwest several of our parishes are very far apart).
If you are speaking of Knoxville an even better example is St. Thomas, the UGCC mission which started from scratch and now has a full-time married parish priest with a full schedule of services. Relying on bi-ritualists is very much less than ideal and in the end has some serious growth potential and future planning issues.
I am only trying to help.
Fair enough.
Yes, I know. You’re good intentions are not going unnoticed
Maybe. But I would definitely talk to him first, whatever my decision is. It is not everyday the average Christian gets to talk to their bishop, much less have a personal relationship with him.
But as you know the transfer of jurisdiction is less fluid in the Catholic Communion. Though I have freely attended as a Ukrainian Catholic and have been treated by my clergy as one of their own, I am still canonically Latin and if anyone wants to flex their canonical and ecclesiastical muscle on me, they can force me to comply to something.
One thing that worries me is the interest. It is not like I haven’t tried inviting people to our Ukrainian parish. I haven’t been successful. I’ve tried so many times, it is disheartening. Sometimes I feel optimistic that things would work out, but sometimes the track record smacks me in the face as the reality of the situation.
Sometimes I’d like to think I can do it, be a good leader. But I look at my family and I must admit that I can’t even lead them to the correct path. One thing that attracts me with the OCA is the priest they have here in our area. Sometimes I think of myself as a disciple in the first century. You don’t just go around following people, but when someone who exhudes holiness walks by, you just get up and follow.
To be honest, I generally tend to think of a transfer as a pretty small hill – but I guess that because I tend to compare it with the mountain of converting from Orthodoxy to Catholicism, or vice versa.
Do you mean St Elias the Prophet Byzantine Catholic Church in Brooklyn NY, supressed in 2005?
[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 17:18-19[/BIBLEDRB]
I believe he was referring to the very vibrant St. Elias UGCC, Brampton, ONT, Canada.
Yes, that is what I meant.
Hmmm. He mentioned Slovakia and 1980 eparchy. Since the Eparchy of Saints Cyril and Methodius of Toronto was established in 1980 that looks right, but not the parish I mentioned. I see he posted that it was Brampton.
Are you sure about that?
What “blessing” are you talking about?
It simply makes no sense to attend a communion service if a Catholic sacrificial liturgy is readily available. Attending a sacrificial liturgy would not preclude a group of people from otherwise worshiping together.The Latin Church does not take that position. What it does do is to set a rule for its members to attend mass. Please stop misrepresenting.