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exoflare
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I hear this red herring all the time, and it isn’t any more relevant than it was the first time I heard it. The issue is what Islam really teaches, and the effects of those teachings.
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Scottgun
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Discussions are not very fruitful because Muslims resemble atheists in their argumentation about the Bible which amounts to a ridiculous game of textual-hopscotch. That is, the Bible is corrupt *except *when it comes to passages they think embarrass or disprove Christian claims–then it is authentic.
Also, since lying is only wrong circumstantially in Islam, it is impossible to know if you are one of those circumstances that permits exception.
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Also, since lying is only wrong circumstantially in Islam, it is impossible to know if you are one of those circumstances that permits exception.
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meedo
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Ok ,
see u in another thread guys.
see u in another thread guys.
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cestusdei
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meedo,
I see Muslims walking around all the time. No one does anything to them. There are several mosques nearby and none have been burned. There is very little violence against Muslims in the US.
However, churches are burned in Muslim lands. Christians are killed daily in Muslim lands. It is not uncommon and I have posted it frequently here. Just the other day a Muslim cab driver drove over a boy and tried to drive over another. His reason? Well they argued about religion, for him disagreeing with Islam was enough to try and kill someone. The Pope says something you don’t like and what do you do? Kill a nun. Face up to YOUR religious violence problems.
I see Muslims walking around all the time. No one does anything to them. There are several mosques nearby and none have been burned. There is very little violence against Muslims in the US.
However, churches are burned in Muslim lands. Christians are killed daily in Muslim lands. It is not uncommon and I have posted it frequently here. Just the other day a Muslim cab driver drove over a boy and tried to drive over another. His reason? Well they argued about religion, for him disagreeing with Islam was enough to try and kill someone. The Pope says something you don’t like and what do you do? Kill a nun. Face up to YOUR religious violence problems.
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RobedWithLight
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If only it were that simple. But unfortunately in the real world, it isn’t. .
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Chris_LaRock
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The more violence and hate I see coming from so-called Muslims, the more I’m convinced that we truly need to be born again. Only Jesus can take a rotten, evil heart and fix it.
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Alexius
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Q: Can we have a discussion with Muslims without getting angry?
A: NO!!!
Sorry, I couldn’t resist. I would love to have everyone discuss in a pleasant manner, but I have only ever done so successfully face-to-face. The reason is that there are many who are passionate or uncivil or hold hatred and malous and refuse to discuss in a reasonable manner. On the computer, you can say whatever you want (unless you’re on a forum) and be able to avoid confrontation. You can say what you usually wouldn’t because there are no “consequences.” This occurs on every forum, even the Islamic ones. Many; however, act in a similar fashion in their daily lives - this is an issue of the heart. Unfortunately in this world, these are some of the effects of the sin and may not be overcome
(they can be, though, but one must ask God for help). 
Prayers and petitions,
Alexius
A: NO!!!
Sorry, I couldn’t resist. I would love to have everyone discuss in a pleasant manner, but I have only ever done so successfully face-to-face. The reason is that there are many who are passionate or uncivil or hold hatred and malous and refuse to discuss in a reasonable manner. On the computer, you can say whatever you want (unless you’re on a forum) and be able to avoid confrontation. You can say what you usually wouldn’t because there are no “consequences.” This occurs on every forum, even the Islamic ones. Many; however, act in a similar fashion in their daily lives - this is an issue of the heart. Unfortunately in this world, these are some of the effects of the sin and may not be overcome
(they can be, though, but one must ask God for help). Prayers and petitions,
Alexius
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Montalban
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Then as Islam inflicts injustice but portrays itself as a victim, some get a feeling of anger towards Islam, and those that make apology for them.
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deb1
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We are witnesses to Catholicism on this forum. There are people who come here and never post who are looking for the truth. Sadly, it seems that people don’t absorb what others are saying so much as how it is said. So, if you have the absolute truth and report it but do so in a rude manner, people are going to lean toward the person who is speaking more kindly.
Do I agree with this thinking? NO! But I’ve seen it time and time again. People go with their emotions and not their logic.
If you really do want to defeat injustice then you should do so in a way that actually works.
On this board we have the option to edit ourselves and think through our reply. Therefore do what works and force yourself to reply in a polite manner, even if you have to mutter angrily to yourself while doing so. Being polite on this forum will win more people to your side.
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exoflare
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I don’t stop to think of that enough… but you are absolutely right.
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cestusdei
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I get a bit angry when pro argues in favor of child abuse. I don’t think I need to apologize for that. Sometimes we have to call a sin a sin.
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deb1
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I am not familiar with pro but if he is advocating child abuse then I admit that I can understand the anger.
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pro_universal
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I’m pro, and this accusation is both rude and a sideshow to the thread. He’s trying to get this off topic because he’s upset that another thread was removed.
I think you should start another thread: Can we have a discussion with anyone who disagrees without insulting them?
I think you should start another thread: Can we have a discussion with anyone who disagrees without insulting them?
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deb1
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If the thread was removed, I don’t think that I can even access it to see what was said.
I do think that we can disagree without being rude to one another. Being a Catholic in the southern USA means that my religion disagrees with most of my neighbors but I do try and be polite. This can be difficult.
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Auriel
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I am kind of sad because I am new here but I have a feeling you guys are about to Hate me for what I am about to say.
I noticed a few mentioned what our soldiers have seen done by those who claim they are a religion of peace. You only hear what the media allows you to hear. When atrocities actually make it to the media it is downplayed, or the story is never followed through any further. I am an American, but I know my country is guilty of many things. Why do we always assume we are entirly innocent when it come to Muslim conflicts?
Look at it from their point of view, and you might see this a little differantly. It does not excuse what many Muslims have done, but we do the same over there, including dismemberment, it is allowed in the prisons.
I am not Unpatriotic, I have lost quite a few friends over there. Some sent me pictures of beautiful things and beautiful people, and told of the horrors of war. A few were Christians and sometimes they wept at night seeing what the ones on our side who say they were christians were doing.A mother of one told me he was to come home around Christmas, he had a lot to say, He was shocked and dissalusioned over there, but you will never get a chance to hear it, he was the only one killed out of his unit a few days before he was to leave.
I have seen pictures of Abu Ghraib that you will never be allowed to see, they only showed the nicer ones on the News. I have some of those prison pics too, much too graphic than what could be shown here, Some prisoners were also forced into sodomy and other such acts. It is extremly degrading, repulsive, and morally repugnant, now they will hate Americans with even greater passion. I have also seen pics of half nude bleeding women prisoners and little boys who had been raped.
I am not making this up, Google, you will see.
our soldiers have been caught murdering in cold blood innocent citizens, one marine snapped when he lost a buddy in his unit, he then mowed down 24 civilian bystanders, in another case women were shot to death in a car, including a pregnant women, it was too late to save the baby, and in yet another case violent rape and murder.
There are now 6 soldiers in custody for the rape, murder, and coverup of Abeer Qassim Hamza, who has now been proved to have been only 14 years old. After rape they slit her throat, then killed her mother, father, and little sister. They wanted to leave as few witnesses as possible. What bothers me about that one too is why does our media refer to her as only a rape victim, in the US she would be referred to as a minor, or a child. The soldiers lied in an affidavit and gave her age as 25, Records proved she was 14. It has come out that the rape had been planned, they had already seen her and then planned it, the murders may have been an afterthought. The instigator had already been deemed a threat, all warning signs were ignored. My uncle told me stories about the Vietnam war, the are similar. The BBC has interviewed quite a few of our soldiers stationed over there, about how they feel about the civilian deaths, he said “we just shoot the closest farmer we see next to us”. Pigs? Dogs? Ask the surviving relatives of that 14 year old girl who the terrorists are. And we are surprised they do not trust us?
I noticed a few mentioned what our soldiers have seen done by those who claim they are a religion of peace. You only hear what the media allows you to hear. When atrocities actually make it to the media it is downplayed, or the story is never followed through any further. I am an American, but I know my country is guilty of many things. Why do we always assume we are entirly innocent when it come to Muslim conflicts?
Look at it from their point of view, and you might see this a little differantly. It does not excuse what many Muslims have done, but we do the same over there, including dismemberment, it is allowed in the prisons.
I am not Unpatriotic, I have lost quite a few friends over there. Some sent me pictures of beautiful things and beautiful people, and told of the horrors of war. A few were Christians and sometimes they wept at night seeing what the ones on our side who say they were christians were doing.A mother of one told me he was to come home around Christmas, he had a lot to say, He was shocked and dissalusioned over there, but you will never get a chance to hear it, he was the only one killed out of his unit a few days before he was to leave.
I have seen pictures of Abu Ghraib that you will never be allowed to see, they only showed the nicer ones on the News. I have some of those prison pics too, much too graphic than what could be shown here, Some prisoners were also forced into sodomy and other such acts. It is extremly degrading, repulsive, and morally repugnant, now they will hate Americans with even greater passion. I have also seen pics of half nude bleeding women prisoners and little boys who had been raped.
I am not making this up, Google, you will see.
our soldiers have been caught murdering in cold blood innocent citizens, one marine snapped when he lost a buddy in his unit, he then mowed down 24 civilian bystanders, in another case women were shot to death in a car, including a pregnant women, it was too late to save the baby, and in yet another case violent rape and murder.
There are now 6 soldiers in custody for the rape, murder, and coverup of Abeer Qassim Hamza, who has now been proved to have been only 14 years old. After rape they slit her throat, then killed her mother, father, and little sister. They wanted to leave as few witnesses as possible. What bothers me about that one too is why does our media refer to her as only a rape victim, in the US she would be referred to as a minor, or a child. The soldiers lied in an affidavit and gave her age as 25, Records proved she was 14. It has come out that the rape had been planned, they had already seen her and then planned it, the murders may have been an afterthought. The instigator had already been deemed a threat, all warning signs were ignored. My uncle told me stories about the Vietnam war, the are similar. The BBC has interviewed quite a few of our soldiers stationed over there, about how they feel about the civilian deaths, he said “we just shoot the closest farmer we see next to us”. Pigs? Dogs? Ask the surviving relatives of that 14 year old girl who the terrorists are. And we are surprised they do not trust us?
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happygal
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Well i still a non believer previously, i gets very very angry with the muslim and always curse and swear at them, so bad of me. But when i became a Christian, i don’t have such anger for them anymore. However that does not mean i agree to their doing in certain thing. But instead i choose not to be angry, for anger will not bring any solution and do not do any good…!!! Allowing the muslim to admit is their mistake, does not happens in days or even years…but believing in our heart that they shall see the truth in future and pray to God to take away those heartened heart hidden beneath them are things we can do…
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cestusdei
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Gee pro, I insulted you by disagreeing with your view that it’s okay to marry 9 year olds? How? Please provide evidence that show any harm done to you.
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pro_universal
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If you have a personal problem with me, pm me.
If you have more points to make about the acceptable ages of consent for marriage from ancient times, then start a new thread.
Either way, you shouldn’t be derailing someone else’s thread.
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cestusdei
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Derailing threads? You have done it frequently. My problem wasn’t just with ancient times, but with what goes on today in Islam and I did start a thread. Read the article.
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heathernoel
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It’s sad, but the fact is, most of the Muslims I have dealt with are nice face to face as long as you don’t confuse issues with facts.
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