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Robyn_p
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It’s no longer on his website. For whatever that’s worth. No mention of abortion there.
Like I said, I hope I’m wrong. But I don’t think he’s going to be much of an ally. He just needed votes.
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Like I said, I hope I’m wrong. But I don’t think he’s going to be much of an ally. He just needed votes.
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Ruthmary
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You’re right. Abortion won’t end as long as contraceptives are seen as a good. The Supreme Court even acknowledged that people need abortion as a back up to contraception. You’re right about us needing to have a cultural shift, and that can’t happen overnight. Sex has got to be recognized as belonging only in marriage. Whether that will ever happen in this country I don’t know.
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Lea101
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YES! I keep saying this as well. But apparently that’s too much work for some people.I know the crisis pregnancy centers in our area do great work helping women (and men, and families), not just during pregnancy but afterwards. There’s also a lot of free health clinics that just don’t have the advertising power that Planned Parenthood does, or doctors and midwives that offer free care as part of their regular practices.
As Catholics, getting involved with organizations like these, that offer legitimate, sound health care to women in need, without telling them the lie that abortion is somehow health care, will do a world of good.
Address the issues scared women have, instead of just saying the words “adoption” and “murder”, and we’ll see change!
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Lea101
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first statement is accurate, american christians need to step up and be vocal about degrading attitudes against women, don’t let the democrats be the only loud ones fighting for that. Idk, some damage control to show that we do not tolerate this behaviour.
as for the second bolded statement…breathe. You won’t lose your soul because of this.
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pnewton
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Here is what Trump says he wants to accomplish.
npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days
He has not one pro-life goal. The Republican Party nominated a candidate that is not pro-life, and has supported abortion in the past. So no, as the Republicans are not serious, as a group, about reducing abortion, do not expect any change. All that can be said is that we do not have Hillary. The Democratic Party may well be the party of abortion, which I hope will change one day, but it is a misrepresentation to say the Republican Party is the party of life.
npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days
He has not one pro-life goal. The Republican Party nominated a candidate that is not pro-life, and has supported abortion in the past. So no, as the Republicans are not serious, as a group, about reducing abortion, do not expect any change. All that can be said is that we do not have Hillary. The Democratic Party may well be the party of abortion, which I hope will change one day, but it is a misrepresentation to say the Republican Party is the party of life.
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Giggly_Giraffe
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Let us pray for St Monica’s intercession! She did a great job on her son, maybe her intercession will work on DT. We can’t look back and play “what if” … but let us move forward. In moving forward, we must get angry at bad behavior. We must not turn a blind eye to it. We must also praise the good that gets done. I do see hope in the appointment of Judges. Who knows, open trade with Russia may allow more of us to change Russia from the interior! What should our plan be for protecting immigrants? What can we offer to God each time he curses and swears on the media? It’s time to work harder than before.
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EIF5A
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May not be the party of life, as a whole, but pro-lifers tend to be Republican (at the state level).
We still have hope for change in the direction of the party.
Hearts and minds of people need to see abortion for what it is, starting at the grassroot level to counteract the poison spoonfed us by the left — then Republican politicians and their priorities will naturally follow that direction.
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Beryllos
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Yes!
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Tim_D
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This is a total misrepresentation of the situation. Trump now has the opportunity to appoint at least one justice to replace Scalia. Ginsburg is 83 years old and another one of the liberal justices is 80. There is a real possibility that Trump may be able to appoint at least 3 justices which would swing the court back to the right. If abortion is ever changed in America, it will be through the courts, not the president. The president doesn’t have the ability to change the situation except through judicial appointments. Trumps list of judges was rated very favorably as conservative constitutionalists. The best thing that can happen is that the decision will be left to the individual states, as it is constitutional and was an opinion shared by Scalia. Couple all of that with the fact that the democrats are likely to lose seats in 2018 and have no one as a viable candidate in 2020 and we see that this is the best opportunity since 1973 to see significant legal decisions against abortion.
We have to look at the big picture. Things are shaping up nicely.
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JHC
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What is the best strategy legally speaking?
Declaring unborn person-hood? State’s rights?
Declaring unborn person-hood? State’s rights?
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goout
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This is going to require Church leadership to kick it up a notch. No other institution is going to do this. The Church that Jesus Christ established is uniquely responsible for saving these lives.
Now is the time.
Many bishops have spoken up. Our diocese has lately begun to speak up for life issues, even hiring a full time director.
It’s time for parish pastors and pastoral associates and directors of catechesis to get out of their comfort zone and speak up. Everyone from Pope to laity.
It’s going to suck at first because we will be attacked. You can be sure you are spreading the Gospel when the forces of evil attack you. Blessed are you.
Don’t worry about the collection plate and Mass attendance. **If we speak up for Christ he will support us. **
What else is there in life??
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goout
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Not true.
While he is not pro-life by example, his statements in the campaign are pro-life. And the party platform is pro-life, in very dramatic contrast to the other platform which is frighteningly pro-murder.
So it is not merely that we don’t have HRC. We have voted with the conscience of the Church, to the best available option. Pro.
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pensmama87
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I think the strategy of making abortion clinics abide by reasonable medical standards has been very effective. If pro-abortion people want to pretend abortion is health care, they need to make sure clinics are clean, that the staff are medically competent and have the necessary hospital admission privileges, etc.
These laws are sound, apply to more than just abortion clinics, and lead to lots of closures.
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pnewton
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That is your opinion. If you want to believe campaign promises, good luck with that. The proof is in the pudding, and Trump’s recipe now does not concern abortion, is anti-family, anti-immigration.
I hope you are right, though like I said, it is not part of the path he lined out. That is factual. Go to his site above and do a search on “abortion”. You get zip.
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pensmama87
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Another thing is local ordinances.
It is often the case that they cannot be worded in such a way as to completely prohibit certain types of businesses, but they can be worded in a way that makes them very difficult to open and operate. Same with strip clubs or “adult” stores.
Sometimes bureaucratic red tape is very useful.
Start in our local communities and we can do a lot. Expecting it to happen top-down is not going to work.
It is often the case that they cannot be worded in such a way as to completely prohibit certain types of businesses, but they can be worded in a way that makes them very difficult to open and operate. Same with strip clubs or “adult” stores.
Sometimes bureaucratic red tape is very useful.
Start in our local communities and we can do a lot. Expecting it to happen top-down is not going to work.
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pnewton
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Are you saying I misrepresented him, or Trump is misrepresenting himself? Go to the site. Abortion is not an issue for him.
Maybe you say I am wrong about the Republican Party? Well, am I wrong that the Republican Party nominated the least pro-life candidate running? I can think of a dozen that were legitimately pro-life. So no, I will stick to my opinion that the party is not pro-life, except maybe by coincidence.
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Tim_D
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You are misrepresenting the situation. As I said, the president does not determine if abortion is legal or not; the supreme court does/did. The president nominates the judges to the bench. Trump is now in the position where he may have as many as 2-3 judges that he can place. Since his list of potential nominees are mostly conservative constitutionalists, then the future is looking bright in that there may come a day when the issue is reverted back to the states as it should and then it will be up to local states to decide. This is the way things are supposed to work constitutionally. If things were done they way some of you here would like, abortion would be legal/illegal overtime the presidency changes parties. Besides, for some of us, abortion is not the end all overriding issue. I voted against HRC because I think she would be a disaster as a president, the same way that she was a disaster as Secretary of State. The fact that she is pro-abortion was only the icing on the cake.
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pnewton
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Trump just released his top three priorities. One is a pro-life issue, but he may be on the wrong side of that one (health care). The other two are jobs and immigration. If he was speaking of reforming immigration, that might be a pro-life issue. If he is talking about massive deportations, then he is, again, on the wrong side of pro-life.
Still no mention of abortion.
Still no mention of abortion.
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EIF5A
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If I were cynical, he is trying to appease his voters. If I were optimistic, he is planning to defund PP.
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Tim_D
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I find it bewildering that you seem to think that the only issue of matter to the completely secular job of president of the United States has to do with the political question of abortion. If you are in favor of Mr. Trump somehow making abortion completely illegal through constitutional means today, are you also so magnanimous if the next president makes it legal through the exact same means?
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