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Aramis said:
So do some lutheran denominations. And yes, validly baptized protestants have to confess prior to Eucharist.
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I wasn’t aware of that.

Where in the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults is such required (not just recommended…but absolutely required)?

Thank you.
 
clmowry said:
“Think” being the operative word.

That’s why I highlighted the “IF”.

I think the odds are on your side.

Some may have the maturity, but certainly not all. I would think it is “possible” for an 8 year old to commit a mortal sin, but it’s not very likely.

Chuck
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An 8 year old might be able to commit a mortal sin. But can an 8 year old really equate taking a cookie to stealing? And its even harder to make the connection from taking the cookie to breaking the 4th commandment.
 
diggerdomer said:
I disagree.

Stealing a cookie on two separate occasions (two sins) don’t seem greater to me than killing one innocent life (one sin).
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Two sins refers to stealing the cookie once, but breaking the 4th and 7th commandments at the same time.
 
diggerdomer said:
I wasn’t aware of that.

Where in the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults is such required (not just recommended…but absolutely required)?

Thank you.
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You have to be free from mortal sin prior to Eucharist. It isn’t just for RCIA, its for full Catholics too.
 
Julia1996 said:
You have to be free from mortal sin prior to Eucharist. It isn’t just for RCIA, its for full Catholics too.
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Being free from mortal sin is an entirely different claim than the one he or she was responding to.
 
Julia1996 said:
Two sins refers to stealing the cookie once, but breaking the 4th and 7th commandments at the same time.
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So…stealing a cookie is in fact worse than taking an innocent life? Or did I misunderstand your response? Thanks for any clarification.
 
diggerdomer said:
I disagree.

Stealing a cookie on two separate occasions (two sins) don’t seem greater to me than killing one innocent life (one sin).
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Jeez. Let’s see if we can find a way to make this thread more ridiculous.

By “two sins are greater than one”, I didn’t mean that any two sins are greater than any one sin. I meant that the two sins being discussed (stealing a cookie AND dishonoring parents) are greater than the one sin being discussed (stealing a cookie in and of itself).

How many angels can dance on a cookie?
 
diggerdomer said:
I wasn’t aware of that.

Where in the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults is such required (not just recommended…but absolutely required)?

Thank you.
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It is in the Precepts of the Church where we find that all of the baptized are required to confess their sins when in the state of serious sin, before receiving any other Sacraments, apart from (under certain circumstances) the Anointing of the Sick.

It would be extremely foolish to assume that an adult, baptized in infancy, never committed any serious sin in his whole life, not even as a rebellious teenager. Therefore, before being admitted to the Sacraments of Initiation, it would be prudent to recommend to them strongly to make use of the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and to ensure that they are well-trained on how to do this.
 
Julia1996 said:
An 8 year old might be able to commit a mortal sin. But can an 8 year old really equate taking a cookie to stealing? And its even harder to make the connection from taking the cookie to breaking the 4th commandment.
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Do you remember being eight years old? Do you not remember doing things specifically to drive your mother crazy - like taking things that she has told you not to touch?
 
Julia1996 said:
An 8 year old might be able to commit a mortal sin. But can an 8 year old really equate taking a cookie to stealing? And its even harder to make the connection from taking the cookie to breaking the 4th commandment.
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If your mother has explicitly told you not to take the cookie and you take it anyway, the connection shouldn’t be that difficult to make. Even for an 8 year old.

After the first time, the hypothetical 8 year old will be quite aware of the nature of his actions, well at least in my house.

Chuck
 
NaturalEnquirer said:
Jeez. Let’s see if we can find a way to make this thread more ridiculous.

By “two sins are greater than one”, I didn’t mean that any two sins are greater than any one sin. I meant that the two sins being discussed (stealing a cookie AND dishonoring parents) are greater than the one sin being discussed (stealing a cookie in and of itself).

How many angels can dance on a cookie?
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Thanks for the clarification. Sorry if I misunderstood.

I still think there’s subjective room for debate regarding whether any one sin is less/greater than any two…but that’s an endlessly hypothetical situation and in the end only God and the sinner knows.

Regarding dancing on a cookie…depends on how big the cookie is, i.e. how many pins could fit on it…LOL
 
No problem. I’m being misunderstood all over the place lately. I’m beginning.to think the problem might be me.

Naaaah.
 
jmcrae said:
It is in the Precepts of the Church where we find that all of the baptized are required to confess their sins when in the state of serious sin, before receiving any other Sacraments, apart from (under certain circumstances) the Anointing of the Sick.

It would be extremely foolish to assume that an adult, baptized in infancy, never committed any serious sin in his whole life, not even as a rebellious teenager. Therefore, before being admitted to the Sacraments of Initiation, it would be prudent to recommend to them strongly to make use of the Sacrament of Reconciliation, and to ensure that they are well-trained on how to do this.
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Precepts of the Catholic Church apply to Catholics. Not to non-Catholic Christians.
 
diggerdomer said:
Precepts of the Catholic Church apply to Catholics. Not to non-Catholic Christians.
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The precepts of the Catholic Church would of course apply to those entering the Catholic Church.

I must be missing your point.

Members of my wife’s RCIA class were required to go to confession (unless they were also being baptized) as part of the process.

Chuck
 
Vince1022 said:
So…stealing a cookie is in fact worse than taking an innocent life? Or did I misunderstand your response? Thanks for any clarification.
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Sorry. I should have been clearer in my response.

I don’t think stealing a cookie is worse than taking an innocent life. It is breaking 2 commandments at once, but on a lesser degree. Stealing something so small cannot possibly be compared to killing someone.
 
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