Can you be a good catholic and a democrat and support the democrat party?

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Shakuhachi said:
But I don’t think the trade off with so many other issues has been worth it these last four years.
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what is your opinion of these policies of the dem party? these are against Catholic teaching. what trade-off compares to these items?

LGBT agenda,
euthanasia,
embryonic stem cell research,
transgenderism,
identity politics,
the destruction of the family,
contraception,
socialism,
breaking the seal of the confession,
forced abortions in catholic hospitals,
 
“The destruction of the family”? Really? Most of those issue are more about civil liberty.

But we are at a point even beyond issues really.
If anyone is happy with his leadership, with his character, with where he has brought the United States, with how he has handled Covid-19, race relations, world leaders, with all his lies and thinks he actually cares about any of the topics you listed, then I think such a person needs to reconsider.

Does anyone agree with everything either party supports? That is why I stay independent. I vote for people not parties.
 
I am beginning to doubt the OP question.

I have been reading Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship.
https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-ac...consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-one

30.The Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith made a similar point:
It must be noted also that a well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program or an individual law which contradicts the fundamental contents of faith and morals. The Christian faith is an integral unity, and thus it is incoherent to isolate some particular element to the detriment of the whole of Catholic doctrine. A political commitment to a single isolated aspect of the Church’s social doctrine does not exhaust one’s responsibility toward the common good. ( Doctrinal Note on Some Questions Regarding the Participation of Catholics in Political Life , no. 4)
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  1. When all candidates hold a position that promotes an intrinsically evil act, the conscientious voter faces a dilemma. The voter may decide to take the extraordinary step of not voting for any candidate or, after careful deliberation, may decide to vote for the candidate deemed less likely to advance such a morally flawed position and more likely to pursue other authentic human goods.
  2. In making these decisions, it is essential for Catholics to be guided by a well-formed conscience that recognizes that all issues do not carry the same moral weight and that the moral obligation to oppose policies promoting intrinsically evil acts has a special claim on our consciences and our actions. These decisions should take into account a candidate’s commitments, character, integrity, and ability to influence a given issue. In the end, this is a decision to be made by each Catholic guided by a conscience formed by Catholic moral teaching.
I am beginning to think that a good Catholic cannot support either party or candidate.
 
Shakuhachi said:
I am beginning to think that a good Catholic cannot support either party or candidate.
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And right about now somebody will chime in about the American Solidarity Party which has, “no elected officials in national or state government, and one city official elected in 2019”…

Yes my fellow Americans, there really are no good choices and no good solutions.

This Is A Mess.
 
You forgot “hate God, hate Catholics”.
They booed God at their last convention. The only Catholics they like are CINO.
 
As much as I’d like them to succeed they don’t have a chance for any influence. I’ve brought them up enough.

The truth is that there is no hope as far as the election goes. And little hope for the country as a whole
 
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Does God belong in politics? Who’s God? Who’s theology? Who’s church?
 
Let’s see…churches are open, Catholic clergy are visibly praying at both conventions, nobody’s executing priests, outlawing our Masses, or killing/ starving/ imprisoning us. And that’s unlikely to change.

Still a great country here regardless of who wins.
 
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That question is debatable at best in modern times. I could be described as practicing Catholic and begrudgingly Republican. I’d trust that any Catholics who are registered Democrats and practicing their faith are scupulous with who they vote for and do not support the party as a whole (e.g. by volunteering for the Democratic Party or indiscriminately voting for every Dem on the ballot). Both parties are not in line with Catholicism, honestly.
LeonardoArruda said:
Not a republican (not even american)
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Thank you for sharing your opinion. That is your right and do not let anyone tell you otherwise.
 
Shakuhachi said:
it doesn’t matter. It is established law. To reduce abortion now we must look to non-legislative means
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Democrats are so extremely pro-abortion that they even voted against the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act (in February 2020), which would have prohibited abortions after 20 weeks. The United States was one of only seven countries, including China and North Korea, that allowed abortions after the 20-week mark.
(60 votes are needed to stop the Democrats’ filibusters.)
Republican Senators voted 51-to-2 in FAVOR of banning 20 week abortions.
Democratic Senators voted 42 to 2 AGAINST banning 20 week abortions.

Democrats exhibit zero compassion for the weakest among us.

@upant astutely noted that “by voting Democrat, you enable abortion, the entire LGBT agenda, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, transgenderism, identity politics, the destruction of the family, contraception, socialism, breaking the seal of the confession, forced abortions in catholic hospitals, liberal judges who will uphold these policies, etc”

In other words, even if you remove the abortion issue, the Republican Party is exponentially stronger than the Democratic Party regarding the moral issues.
 
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The idea that Republican politicians (not the voters, the politicians)want abortion to go away is laughable. If abortion is off the table there goes a lot of their “easy pickings” votes. They are blowing smoke up our dresses in this regard.
 
EricF said:
The idea that Republican politicians (not the voters, the politicians)want abortion to go away is laughable.
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yet the GOP pushes the Mexico City policy and other items to reduce abortion.

whereas the Dems want paid-for-abortions until birth and some want infanticide immediately after birth. they want to prevent states from restricting abortion. they have stated the Mexico city policy will be done away with so we will also pay for abortions around the world.

what do you prefer, to expand or to reduce abortions

if we get enough conservative judges we may be able to change the laws?

50 million children are sacrificed worldwide each year

it is that important
 
rhetorical question: can you be a good catholic and vote for someone who’s for the death penalty?

the issues (abortion & capital punishment) are both the exact, same thing - taking the choice of life and death out of God’s hands.

if one can’t be a good catholic and a Democrat (allegedly you must be pro-choice, if you are one), then neither can one be a Republican (allegedly pro-life, but only when it comes to abortion…not so much when it comes to the death penalty…allegedly).

it seems to me, what one MUST do is vote and vote one’s conscience, choosing good over evil. PERIOD. yours in Christ
 
Based on numbers reported by the Guttmacher Institute 1973-2017, there have been more than 60,000,000 abortions since 1973. All 60 million unborn babies were 100% innocent.

On the other hand, there have been only 1,518 death penalty executions since 1976.
 
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pinkb said:
the issues (abortion & capital punishment) are both the exact, same thing - taking the choice of life and death out of God’s hands.
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This is an error.
That a single aspect may be the same between two things does not make them the same.

Unless you also wish to argue a marble and an orange are the exact same thing because they are both spherical.
 
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