Can you be both Catholic and liberal?

[davidmlamb]

Is the part in red your commentary or is it part of the CCC?

Its part of the CCC which quite obviously you are unfamiliar with.

“Remuneration for work should guarantee man the opportunity to provide a dignified livelihood for himself and his family…”

Who and what determines “dignified?”

The Church! How is it you do not know this? The church is the authority for faith and morales. I provided you with its teachings on economic justice and what constitutes dignity. Not knowing these things is indicative of your spiritual state. You not only did not know them but have flat out rejected them! If you would spend more time reading scripture and your catechism and less time listening to Rush Limbaugh and Fox news you would not have sunk into such depravity.

A high speed internet or a big screen for entertainment? A drug allowance? Air-brushed nails?Good luck with that. Responsibility goes both ways.

“and to the possibility of property ownership.” - like those who simply stopped paying their mortgages and stuck me with the bill? Bigoted minds refuse to see both sides.

This frame of reference is for mere survival. Rich people happen because they provide society with what society wants to buy. That’s why pro athletes and entertainers make more than teachers. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it.

You are dangerously approaching apostacy because you have exchanged the truth of God for a lie. Saint Paul told us that if we preach any other gospel then what the Church teaches we are condemend (Galatians 1:6-9) Woe to you, you have gone the way of Fr Corapi! Your entire attack against church teachings was in response to me suggesting Walmart should allow their employees to form a union and to collectively bargain for their wages.

Then in your tirade of rhetoric you suggest that Walmart workers are being greedy and that they already receive a just wage. The average Walmart worker earns 10 dollars an hour, that is about 1800 dollars a month based on a years salary. And that is assuming thery get 40 hours a week! In the midwest (Springfield, MO.) the average house mortgage which is comprable to rent is 850 dollars a month for a 3 bedroom home of around 1400 sq ft. The average heating and air runs about 300 dollars a month for the same home and water and trash run another 50 dollars a month. Groceries for a family of 4 run about 600 dollars a month (140 dollars a week). Assuming that the family has a paid for vehical their insurance on that vehical runs about 65 dollars a month for liability only and their gas 150 dollars a month. Phone service costs a minimum of about 30 dollars a month. You add this up and you can see that the person has 1800 dollars of GROSS income coming in and 2045 dollars going out. The person does not even have enough income to provide health and dental care for their family even if Walmart provides their health care which costs their employees 300 dollars a month out of their pocket (for the family plan). The person cannot afford cable or satallite TV. Yet you make this shameful claim;

*"A high speed internet or a big screen for entertainment? A drug allowance? Air-brushed nails?Good luck with that. Responsibility goes both ways.

“and to the possibility of property ownership.” - like those who simply stopped paying their mortgages and stuck me with the bill? Bigoted minds refuse to see both sides"*

There is only ONE side of the “story” and that is the teachings of Christ! Had these people been paid a fair and just wage perhaps they would have been able to afford their mortgages when the interest rate was raised and their mortgage rates doubled! Who were the real victems? You getting stuck with their bill is God’s judgement on you for cooperating with the evil.

Walmart executives are making salaries in between 100K and 10MILLION dollars a year including their bonuses. Yet you claim they have no right to bargain for their wages? SHAME ON YOU! You need to make a choice, are you going to follow the teachings of Christ, or the teachings of right wing conservatism? As for me and my House we will serve the Lord.

In the service of Christ and His Church,

David

 

[davidmlamb]

There are plenty of liberal democrats who live in a lavish lifestyle of materialism, too. Most actors and actresses in Hollywood, the Kennedy family, the Kerry family, and so forth… Living that lavish lifestyle is by no means a conservative trait…

Yes but they are not Catholic priests who took vows of poverty and celibacy and are expected to emulate the life of Christ’.

I honestly don’t think his breaking his vow of poverty was due to a political thought in his mind.

He fell because the lust of the world and the pride of life devoured him like a roaring lion. He was weakened by seduction of right wing conservatism. Which is really unbridled liberalism in desguise. I pray for him to realize the error he embraced so he will rise from the ashes and preach against this seductive evil

Peace,
David.

 

[psychicharvard]

Man on Fire,

Just how free is the agreement between employer and employe when employer does not pay enough for “…human welfare…[F]irst among these are the rights to life, food, clothing, shelter, rest, medical care, and basic education” as said by Pope John Paul II? Yet, when that employer is the only employer where the wage earner can find work/employment, but what that employer is willing to pay does meet the criteria for human welfare as set forth by Pope John Paul II? Unless of course you mean that if a person is driven to take a job from an employer who pays so little that it would not need meet Pope John Paul II’s standards, that that worker takes this employment out of sheer desperation, is that considered free will? Or do you believe that basics of human welfare as set forth by Pope John Paul II are as you say, are part of being a “slave to the materialism that is peddled”?

And as to “Corporations which “shop” for low prices on wages in China are no different than your wife shopping for low prices on goods at Wal-Mart. One is simply the producer side, the other is the consumer side.” Well there is HUGE difference. The producer has more power, and money and so their decision to shop for a lower price in China will have effects on the macro level, and so affects thousands upon thousands of individuals. The wife shopping at Walmart is a single individual, while her shopping there will contribute to Walmart’s employing non-union workers, it will not have an affect on a macro level. Although, if she did organize her entire community not to shop at Walmart or promote their shopping at Walmart, then that would have somewhat of an effect. However, we are comparing a corporation to one single individual woman in your analogy, not to an entire community.

 

[ManOnFire]

Allow me to point out that Fr John Corapi has fallen from grace being seduced not by Liberalism, but by right wing conservatism. He has broke his vows of poverty and lives a lavish lifetyle of materialism, he has gone back to drug abuse and has had an illicit affair with a prostitute that has been on going for a few years. His inner circle of his Church staff knew this and he coerced them into a legal binding contract paying them each 100,000 dollars for their silence. One woman out of conscience breached the contract and reported him to his religious order which launched an investigation. The tribunal found him guilty of breaking his vows of poverty and celebacy and has found him unfit to serve as a priest until such a time as he reprents. Fr Corapi in response launched a lawsuit against the woman who reported him for breach of contract. His Bishop ordered him to drop the law suit and return to his religious order surrendering his accumulated wealth. Fr Corapi has refused to obey his Bishop. He is now in mortal sin and the Bishop is proceding with defrocking him and excommunicating him. Fr Corapi is choosing mommon (worldly wealth) over following Christ

Father John Corapi is just another victem of right wing conservatism, an evil spirit that seduces and ruins souls. And now the soul of a once great Catholic Priest! May God exercise this demon from the Church and bind it in chains and cast it into the depths of Hell for all eternity.

catholicnewsagency.com/news/fr.-corapis-order-finds-him-guilty/

In Christ,
David

OK, you’re obviously a liberal activist, because it’s the liberal media who is profitting from the Reduction of society by selling us love-less lust, drugs, and violence in the movies, TV, and music. Bombard the public long enough with these messages, and it becomes propagandized into people’s psyche. All because people can’t resist entertainment media.

 

[estesbob]

Allow me to point out that Fr John Corapi has fallen from grace being seduced not by Liberalism, but by right wing conservatism. He has broke his vows of poverty and lives a lavish lifetyle of materialism, he has gone back to drug abuse and has had an illicit affair with a prostitute that has been on going for a few years. His inner circle of his Church staff knew this and he coerced them into a legal binding contract paying them each 100,000 dollars for their silence. One woman out of conscience breached the contract and reported him to his religious order which launched an investigation. The tribunal found him guilty of breaking his vows of poverty and celebacy and has found him unfit to serve as a priest until such a time as he reprents. Fr Corapi in response launched a lawsuit against the woman who reported him for breach of contract. His Bishop ordered him to drop the law suit and return to his religious order surrendering his accumulated wealth. Fr Corapi has refused to obey his Bishop. He is now in mortal sin and the Bishop is proceding with defrocking him and excommunicating him. Fr Corapi is choosing mommon (worldly wealth) over following Christ

Father John Corapi is just another victem of right wing conservatism, an evil spirit that seduces and ruins souls. And now the soul of a once great Catholic Priest! May God exercise this demon from the Church and bind it in chains and cast it into the depths of Hell for all eternity.

catholicnewsagency.com/news/fr.-corapis-order-finds-him-guilty/

In Christ,
David

Let me see if I can follow your “logic”

Fr Corapi did some bad things THEREFORE
He must be a conservitive THERFORE
as Liberal it is OK for me to vote for pro-abortion canidates

The thought process of Pro-abortion Catholics is a terrble thing to behold

 

[Sister_Terese]

There are plenty of liberal democrats who live in a lavish lifestyle of materialism, too. Most actors and actresses in Hollywood, the Kennedy family, the Kerry family, and so forth… Living that lavish lifestyle is by no means a conservative trait.

I honestly don’t think his breaking his vow of poverty was due to a political thought in his mind.

You hit the nail on the head! The marxist media makes sure that the hollywood elites are never portrayed negatively in reporting, yet the most wealthy of citizens are found in hollywood and in the popular music arena. 99.9% are ultra-liberal democrats. Yet, the American public rarely, if ever, hears reporting on those folks negative lifestyles, etc.

In addition, Fr. Corapi’s fall is a human fall. We all fall short of the Grace of God and all have an inclination to sin (evil). To say that one’s sins or fall from grace is due to outside influences, we ALL are subject to outside influences whether we are considered liberal or conservative. Look at Mel Gibson, for Heaven’s sake!! And then, take a look at the Kennedy’s, Barbra Streisand, Elizabeth Taylor, and other radical leftists who have fallen from grace. We are all human and as such it is our CHOICES that determine whether or not we put ourselves into situations which cause us to sin. Fr. Corapi is no different than I am. If I were to surround myself with money, handsome men, and other temptations, I would, most likely, be tempted to fall as well. Fr. Corapi lived outside of his community (albeit, supposedly with his superior’s knowledge and consent), lived and worked in an environment which put him spiritually at risk, and continued that for many years. That is kin to an alcoholic (which he, by his own admission, was also!) taking a job as a bar tender. Eventually, his resolve is going to weaken and he would eventually succumb to the temptation to drink…or whatever. It is that simple. One need not be a theologian, a Thomist, or a philosopher to figure that one out!

 

[psychicharvard]

There are plenty of liberal democrats who live in a lavish lifestyle of materialism, too. Most actors and actresses in Hollywood, the Kennedy family, the Kerry family, and so forth… Living that lavish lifestyle is by no means a conservative trait.

Are you really using famous entertainers and 2 old money families, who are a tiny percentage of liberal democrats in the U.S., as an example of “lavish living” liberal democrats across the country? Seriously? You are grossly exaggerating! Those are like 2% of the liberal democrat population. The rest of us are average people.

 

[Eugenius]

You hit the nail on the head! The marxist media makes sure that the hollywood elites are never portrayed negatively in reporting, yet the most wealthy of citizens are found in hollywood and in the popular music arena. 99.9% are ultra-liberal democrats. Yet, the American public rarely, if ever, hears reporting on those folks negative lifestyles, etc.

This is laughable. Please cite your sources.

Just go to the grocery store and look at the tabloids lined up next to the check-out lanes, or watch any number of entertainment or “conservative” talk shows, and you’ll see that dragging someone through the dirt is an equal opportunity endeavor.

 

[Eugenius]

. I haven’t heard a single person say that voting for a pro-life person guarantees that they’re going to be perfect. on the other issues or that they’re going to be paragons of virtue, squeaky clean and consistently profamily. what has been said, and seems to be being ignored here, is that opposing abortion is the entry-level qualification for a candidate to even be considered to receive a Catholics vote.

if you honestly believe that pro-life candidates have " done nothing" since the imposition of Roe V Wade you really need to do a little basic research. you might start with examining how many Planned Parenthood clinics have been shut down in Texas in the last few weeks and move on to the number of children saved. When Ronald Reagan first instituted the Mexico City policy. . If you do a little research you will find that the majority of states have combinations of parental consent, informed consent, waiting periods, etc. implemented exclusively by Republican legislators and governors always at the strident opposition of the Democrats.

So you don’t think that hearing people say they vote Republican because they are more “religious” and then watching them vote for adulterers is a contradiction? They are speaking with their votes.

There are “pro-life” candidates who say they are pro-life to get the vote, but really do not do much towards that goal once elected. If there have been so many pro-life conservatives in charge of the American government why aren’t we closer to eliminating abortion by now? I believe there are some genuine people really trying to end abortion, and my prayers go with them, but in reality I think many are lukewarm and really use it to whip up a frenzy every so often and buy votes for other parts of their agenda, which intends to undermine the people and turn everything over to big business (which are shipping our jobs overseas) and at the expense of clean air, clean water, healthy food, affordable healthcare, etc., that the common person needs in a true “support life” world from birth to death. Surely you have discovered this for yourself.

And are you so sure that “all” Democrats opposed the closing of those Planned Parenthood clinics or are you intentionally misrepresenting those who did not? And if any of them did, was it because of abortion or because closing those clinics also eliminated other services that people need? Did anyone bother to separate these out or was it an all or nothing approach? I obviously do not see these issues in black and white, over-simplistic terms.

 

[AHapka]

Are you really using famous entertainers and 2 old money families, who are a tiny percentage of liberal democrats in the U.S., as an example of “lavish living” liberal democrats across the country? Seriously? You are grossly exaggerating! Those are like 2% of the liberal democrat population. The rest of us are average people.

What I was trying to point out is that lavish living is not limited to conservatives, and that some liberals do so as well.

davidmlamb seemed to be making the point that only conservatives fall into lavish lifestyles, and I was pointing out that some liberals do too.

Perhaps you misunderstood and thought that I was trying to apply this to all liberals. I did not mean so at all. Just as an example that BOTH sides have lavish livers.

 

[estesbob]

So you don’t think that hearing people say they vote Republican because they are more “religious” and then watching them vote for adulterers is a contradiction? They are speaking with their votes.

There are “pro-life” candidates who say they are pro-life to get the vote, but really do not do much towards that goal once elected. If there have been so many pro-life conservatives in charge of the American government why aren’t we closer to eliminating abortion by now? I believe there are some genuine people really trying to end abortion, and my prayers go with them, but in reality I think many are lukewarm and really use it to whip up a frenzy every so often and buy votes for other parts of their agenda, which intends to undermine the people and turn everything over to big business (which are shipping our jobs overseas) and at the expense of clean air, clean water, healthy food, affordable healthcare, etc., that the common person needs in a true “support life” world from birth to death. Surely you have discovered this for yourself.

And are you so sure that “all” Democrats opposed the closing of those Planned Parenthood clinics or are you intentionally misrepresenting those who did not? And if any of them did, was it because of abortion or because closing those clinics also eliminated other services that people need? Did anyone bother to separate these out or was it an all or nothing approach? I obviously do not see these issues in black and white, over-simplistic terms.

Rationaliztions aside a Catholic can not vote for a pro-abortion canidate if a viable pro-life alternative is available. There is no moral equivalence between supporting the slaughter of the unborn and any moral shortcomings a given candidate may have. the church neither endorses nor opposes the policies advocated political party concerning the other issues you mention . Clean water Outsourcing of jobs are of little concern to those who are denied the right to life. The assertion that the Republicans really don’t do anything to stop abortion is so divorced from reality . It takes one’s breath away. Every single limitation on abortion in the last f40 years has come via Republican legislators and every single one of them was vehemently opposed by the Democrat party. . It is no surprise someone who can rationalize supporting pro-abortion Democrats can also rationalize supporting an organization that makes money off killing unborn children , a disproportionate number of which are are African-Americans. . I don’t know about you but there is no number of free Pap smears that can mitigate that evil.

 

[Hastrman]

What I was trying to point out is that lavish living is not limited to conservatives, and that some liberals do so as well.

davidmlamb seemed to be making the point that only conservatives fall into lavish lifestyles, and I was pointing out that some liberals do too.

Perhaps you misunderstood and thought that I was trying to apply this to all liberals. I did not mean so at all. Just as an example that BOTH sides have lavish livers.

Some liberals? No. The average donation to the Republican party is $50. The average donation to the Democrats is…a secret.

Ever hear of a limousine liberal?

The Republicans are the populist party now. I find it fascinating that people are still trading in stereotypes that pretty much ceased to be valid in 1946, and had absolutely no basis by 1968—when the Democrats became almost completely dominated by urban, upper-middle-class (and higher) ideologues.

 

[ManOnFire]

You hit the nail on the head! The marxist media makes sure that the hollywood elites are never portrayed negatively in reporting, yet the most wealthy of citizens are found in hollywood and in the popular music arena. 99.9% are ultra-liberal democrats. Yet, the American public rarely, if ever, hears reporting on those folks negative lifestyles, etc.

In addition, Fr. Corapi’s fall is a human fall. We all fall short of the Grace of God and all have an inclination to sin (evil). To say that one’s sins or fall from grace is due to outside influences, we ALL are subject to outside influences whether we are considered liberal or conservative. Look at Mel Gibson, for Heaven’s sake!! And then, take a look at the Kennedy’s, Barbra Streisand, Elizabeth Taylor, and other radical leftists who have fallen from grace. We are all human and as such it is our CHOICES that determine whether or not we put ourselves into situations which cause us to sin. Fr. Corapi is no different than I am. If I were to surround myself with money, handsome men, and other temptations, I would, most likely, be tempted to fall as well. Fr. Corapi lived outside of his community (albeit, supposedly with his superior’s knowledge and consent), lived and worked in an environment which put him spiritually at risk, and continued that for many years. That is kin to an alcoholic (which he, by his own admission, was also!) taking a job as a bar tender. Eventually, his resolve is going to weaken and he would eventually succumb to the temptation to drink…or whatever. It is that simple. One need not be a theologian, a Thomist, or a philosopher to figure that one out!

Amen sister. It’s amazing how many people use liberal behavior as the reason for sin, then claim that we just can’t resist the culture as if we are too weak to have free will, then free willingly beg for more, without resisting, then have the audacity to have false “hope” that things are going to somehow magically improve. Duh. Let’s all move to the country to escape the toxic culture and preserve the beauty of innocence and true love, the way it was meant to be, unblemished by the toxic liberal culture.

 

[ManOnFire]

Allow me to point out that Fr John Corapi has fallen from grace being seduced not by Liberalism, but by right wing conservatism. He has broke his vows of poverty and lives a lavish lifetyle of materialism, he has gone back to drug abuse and has had an illicit affair with a prostitute that has been on going for a few years. His inner circle of his Church staff knew this and he coerced them into a legal binding contract paying them each 100,000 dollars for their silence. One woman out of conscience breached the contract and reported him to his religious order which launched an investigation. The tribunal found him guilty of breaking his vows of poverty and celebacy and has found him unfit to serve as a priest until such a time as he reprents. Fr Corapi in response launched a lawsuit against the woman who reported him for breach of contract. His Bishop ordered him to drop the law suit and return to his religious order surrendering his accumulated wealth. Fr Corapi has refused to obey his Bishop. He is now in mortal sin and the Bishop is proceding with defrocking him and excommunicating him. Fr Corapi is choosing mommon (worldly wealth) over following Christ

Father John Corapi is just another victem of right wing conservatism, an evil spirit that seduces and ruins souls. And now the soul of a once great Catholic Priest! May God exercise this demon from the Church and bind it in chains and cast it into the depths of Hell for all eternity.

catholicnewsagency.com/news/fr.-corapis-order-finds-him-guilty/

In Christ,
David

Wow, you are truly delusional if you think that having an affair with a woman is a conservative family value rather than a liberal one like “open-marriage.” Keep up with your ridiculous rhetoric. LOL! It’s quite entertaining to see just how passionately and artfully an activist can attempt to bend the Truth! You make one mistake though: this isn’t your average crowd of sheep.

 

[davidmlamb]

To Sr Terese PART I

In addition, Fr. Corapi’s fall is a human fall. We all fall short of the Grace of God and all have an inclination to sin (evil). To say that one’s sins or fall from grace is due to outside influences, we ALL are subject to outside influences whether we are considered liberal or conservative.

Sr Terese, Fr Corapi is not just an ordinary layperson who has simply stumbled and fallen. Fr Corapi has fallen in the same manner that Lucifer fell. Fr Corapi was a great servant of God who has been seduced by an evil spirit known as right wing conservatism. He has not just stumbled but has fallen into the sin of rebellion against God like Lucifer did. Fr Corapi could have realized the gravity of his sin being seduced by worldly wealth and power and repented by obeying his bishop, dropping the lawsuit, surrendering all his accumulated wealth to his Bishop and returned to his Holy Orders for discipline. Had he done that then we can say he has stumbled and fallen but is on his way to restoration. But instead, he has rebelled against his Bishop and has used his unlawful and unholy power of wealth to rein terror on his inner parishioners. Fr Corapi has rejected his Master Jesus Christ for his new Master wealth and Mammon. Consider the words of Saint James;

Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? 7 Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong? James 2:6-7

Fr Corapi has abandoned Christ to serve mammon and now his new master drags the poor servant of the Lord into court to sue her in order to rein terror on any of his inner parishioners who dares reports the evil he has committed. Fr Corapi has bowed his knee to Satan and made the devil his master! How can you even begin to defend his actions? I submit to you Sr Terese, that Fr Corapi has become A Marxist! He has not just stumbled in his walk with Christ, he has abandoned Christ! And what makes matters worse is that Fr Corapi is Catholic priest who is huge public figure. Yes Sr Terese, Fr Corapi has been seduced by right wing Conservatism which is an evil spirit masquerading as an Angel of light and is ruining the souls of many Catholics and other Christians. We all know that true liberalism is evil that it has no mask. But right wing conservatism is unbridled liberalism disguised as godliness. Pope Paul the VI addresses this unbridled Liberalism in his encyclical Popular Progresso:

*23. “He who has the goods of this world and sees his brother in need and closes his heart to him, how does the love of God abide in him?” (21) Everyone knows that the Fathers of the Church laid down the duty of the rich toward the poor in no uncertain terms. As St. Ambrose put it: “You are not making a gift of what is yours to the poor man, but you are giving him back what is his. You have been appropriating things that are meant to be for the common use of everyone. The earth belongs to everyone, not to the rich.” (22) These words indicate that the right to private property is not absolute and unconditional.

No one may appropriate surplus goods solely for his own private use when others lack the bare necessities of life. In short, “as the Fathers of the Church and other eminent theologians tell us, the right of private property may never be exercised to the detriment of the common good.” When “private gain and basic community needs conflict with one another,” it is for the public authorities “to seek a solution to these questions, with the active involvement of individual citizens and social groups.” (23)

26. However, certain concepts have somehow arisen out of these new conditions and insinuated themselves into the fabric of human society. These concepts present profit as the chief spur to economic progress, free competition as the guiding norm of economics, and private ownership of the means of production as an absolute right, having no limits nor concomitant social obligations.*

This unbridled liberalism paves the way for a particular type of tyranny, rightly condemned by Our predecessor Pius XI, for it results in the “international imperialism of money.”(26)

Such improper manipulations of economic forces can never be condemned enough; let it be said once again that economics is supposed to be in the service of man. (27)

But if it is true that a type of capitalism, as it is commonly called, has given rise to hardships, unjust practices, and fratricidal conflicts that persist to this day

END OF PART I

 

[davidmlamb]

To Sr Terese Part II

Look at Mel Gibson, for Heaven’s sake!! And then, take a look at the Kennedy’s, Barbra Streisand, Elizabeth Taylor, and other radical leftists who have fallen from grace. We are all human and as such it is our CHOICES that determine whether or not we put ourselves into situations which cause us to sin. Fr. Corapi is no different than I am. If I were to surround myself with money, handsome men, and other temptations, I would, most likely, be tempted to fall as well. Fr. Corapi lived outside of his community (albeit, supposedly with his superior’s knowledge and consent), lived and worked in an environment which put him spiritually at risk, and continued that for many years. That is kin to an alcoholic (which he, by his own admission, was also!) taking a job as a bar tender. Eventually, his resolve is going to weaken and he would eventually succumb to the temptation to drink…or whatever. It is that simple. One need not be a theologian, a Thomist, or a philosopher to figure that one out!

Yes Sr Terese, but Fr Corapi has a choice to surrender himself to Christ right now and repent. He has a choice to obey his Bishop, drop his lawsuit, surrender his unlawfully accumulated wealth and return to his Holy Orders for discipline but he has rebelled! Mel Gibson was not a Catholic priest of high profile and neither was Mel Gibson a liberal. Liberals are expected to do these things because they have not submitted their life to Christ. But these men had submitted their life to Christ and like a dog returns to his vomit so have these men.

Sr Terese, you cannot use Marxism and liberalism to excuse the actions of these Catholics, instead it must be realized what caused these men to fall from grace What seduced them to choose evil over good? In the case of Fr Corapi, as was and is the case for many Catholics, it is exchanging the Holy Catholic and Apostolic faith for right wing conservatism and calling that “Catholic.” It is NOT Catholic, it is EVIL! And it must be exposed and rejected so that others will not fall into the same trap. Sr Terese, you are a religious order sworn to surrender your life to Christ. So in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ I command you to consider what I am saying, to commit it to many rosaries and before the Blessed sacrament. And God will reveal to you what He has revealed to me.

I am neither conservative or liberal, I am Catholic and I have learned what I have learned because I have experienced the lessons of Job. A man who was rich and stripped of his wealth to learn a lesson from God. I was once a card carrying right wing conservative, an avid Rush Limbaugh admirer and what I thought was a devout Christian until God brought me to my knees. Now once a rich man who had everything, I am poor in material wealth, at the mercy of Christ, yet I am rich in faith equipped to warn the Church of this apostasy called right wing conservatism which comes disguised as an angel of light but is the angel of death who comes to ruin the souls of men and destroy a great society by avarice and selfishness. WAKE UP CHURCH! Embrace the social justice teachings of the Church and do not exchange it for right wing conservatism or use abortion as a means to ignore, promote, or show indifference to every matter of righteousness and justice. Then stand up for justice in whatever political party your are affiliated with. If you are a Democrat stand up against abortion and persuade your party to change its platform on this issue. Stand up for religious traditions expressed in the public sector as well as private life. Civic municipalities ought to be able to celebrate Christmas and Easter as well as Hanukkah and the Passover in those seasons. Government institutions should be able to have Nativity Scenes during Christmas and crosses during Easter. These things ought not to be separated from government but a representation of the traditions of our forefathers and respect for our religious beliefs. They do not constitute an established state religion but an established public religious traditions.

If you are a GOP then stand up for Universal Health care, Health Care is a natural right because it is a right to life issue. Stand up for a strong public education system, stand up for just wages and benefits for the working class. stand up for just labor unions that consider both the good of the workers as well as the good of the company to remain in business. If you are a GOP stand up for marriage as a union between one man and one woman NOT by opposing gay marriage but by opposing No Fault Divorce, easy access to remarriage, stand up against adultery and fornication by demanding they become a crime. If you are a GOP then change your platform so that the free market and capitalism serves all of society justly and not just a few, that the wealth created by capitalism flows down and does not trickle down. That the rich surrender a portion of their wealth to grow a strong middle class society by virtue of just wages and benefits, a just public taxation system which provides just public benefits. These things are what once made our society great but we have long ago lost sight of them. May those who have eyes to see and ears to hear look and listen to what God is telling the Church.

In the Service of Christ and His Church,

David Lamb

 

[davidmlamb]

Wow, you are truly delusional if you think that having an affair with a woman is a conservative family value rather than a liberal one like “open-marriage.” Keep up with your ridiculous rhetoric. LOL! It’s quite entertaining to see just how passionately and artfully an activist can attempt to bend the Truth! You make one mistake though: this isn’t your average crowd of sheep.

Another trait of right wing conservatism is distorting the truth, which is exactly what you have done here regarding what I have written,

A Catholic priest breaking his vows of celibacy and committing fornication with a prostitute is not a matter of liberal or conservative but a matter of good vs. evil. Right wing conservatism is about individualism, indulgence, lack of temperance, selfishness, and avarice. When these things are embraced then Christ must be abandoned and that is why Fr Corapi did what he did. Right wing conservatism is not true conservatism but unbriddled liberalism which expoits abortion as a means to hide its ultra liberal economic corporate class system which Pope Pius XI and Pope Paul VI sternely warned us about. Right Wing Conservatism is totalitarianism and not liberty or justice for all.

In the Service of Christ and His Church,

David

 

[AHapka]

Sr Terese, you are a religious order sworn to surrender your life to Christ. So in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ I command you to consider what I am saying, to commit it to many rosaries and before the Blessed sacrament. And God will reveal to you what He has revealed to me.

Unless you are a priest who stands In Persona Christi, or are her religious superior, on what authority do you issue a COMMAND to Sister in the name of Christ?

Also, God will choose to reveal or not to reveal. How can you say that He “will” when He very well might not?

 

[davidmlamb]

Unless you are a priest who stands In Persona Christi, or are her religious superior, on what authority do you issue a COMMAND to Sister in the name of Christ?

Also, God will choose to reveal or not to reveal. How can you say that He “will” when He very well might not?

By What Authority did the donkey rebuke the prophet Balaam (Numbers 22:21-34)?

The Pharisees and the Scribes were the religious authority of their days, they were the successors of Moses and Jesus told Jerusalem that theymust obey their teachings because they had ecclesiastical authority (Matt 23:1-3). Yet in Matthew 21 Jesus entered the courts and was teaching the chief priests and the elders of Israel and they questioned him asking him the same question you are asking me, “By what authority are you doing these things?” they asked. “And who gave you this authority?” (vs 23)

The authority has been given to me by virtue of sacramental grace. It is my vocation and I am called to the religious life which already manifest itself in me. I spend many hours a day in prayer, before the blessed sacrament, in scripture and daily mass. When a person does these things they become very strong in faith and the knoweldge and wisdom of God. The words I say bear witness to the truth of the scriptures and the teachings of the Church. I am like the *** who spoke to the prophet Nathaniel. Sister Terese should consider my words to see if they bear witness to her spirit, the scripture, and the teachings of the Church. That is why I told her to pray manhy rosaries and mjeditate on the Word of God. If she does these things she will know whether what I say comes from God or the flesh.

In the service of Christ and His Church,

David

 

[Sister_Terese]

This is laughable. Please cite your sources.

Just go to the grocery store and look at the tabloids lined up next to the check-out lanes, or watch any number of entertainment or “conservative” talk shows, and you’ll see that dragging someone through the dirt is an equal opportunity endeavor.

I guess I didn’t express myself very well…sorry. What I meant was that the media such as NBC, CBS, etc., and most major newspapers rarely report questionable statements, events, or mishaps from the liberal elite. Yes, the tabloids do use anyone and everyone to sell their papers. However, don’t you think that most Americans read those papers with little serious consideration? Maybe I’m from a different area of the country, but it seems to me, (and I have no scientific basis to make these statements…sorry) that the mainstream media, with few exceptions, pander to the liberal agenda.

I am not very good at expressing myself and my thoughts sometimes, so please forgive me if my poor words are/were confusing.