Can you be Protestant and accept papal primacy?

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Are there any well-known Christian groups or individuals who are not Catholic, or Orthodox, but accept some sort of primacy of Rome? The Catholic understanding of the Pope has a lot in the mix, including universal jurisdiction, pope as successor of Peter, infallibility. But are there any Protestants out there who, say, recognize the pope as successor of Peter? Or universal jurisdiction?

It just seems odd to me: It seems all of Protestantism inherently rejects the Pope and any teachings related to the papacy. Even historically-attested aspects of the pope, like the fact that he is the successor of Peter. This is well-attested. The fathers all talk about Peter preaching and dying in Rome. The early fathers also saw the primacy of Rome based in Peter’s role in the church there. So is to be Protestant to reject the pope outright? Do any Protestants have an idea of the Papacy like the Orthdox do, for example?
 
Many Lutherans accept the bishop of Romes primacy of honor ( including me ) but reject papal supremacy and other unscriptural additions to the bishops power,but primacy was never a problem .
 
Many Lutherans accept the bishop of Romes primacy of honor ( including me ) but reject papal supremacy and other unscriptural additions to the bishops power,but primacy was never a problem .
But is this view of the primacy of honor more like an acknowledgement of some kind of primacy that just so happened to develop in Christian history? Or does it have real implications for the Christian’s relationship to the pope?
 
But is this view of the primacy of honor more like an acknowledgement of some kind of primacy that just so happened to develop in Christian history? Or does it have real implications for the Christian’s relationship to the pope?
We support the papal primacy of honor because Scripture and tradition teach so , but it dosent mean that one must be in cummunion with him .
 
I believe that there are some Anglo-Catholics that accept the primacy of the pope, despite not being in communion with Rome.
 
The problem is, if you accept the plain meaning of scripture, then you can’t accept papal primacy. Mt. 23:9 warnes, “Call no [one] man father upon the earth for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” The church is to be lead from within, by the HS and not by one man who alone is father and alone is holy. We can have many fathers, but electing one father will lead to abuses. As Lord Acton warned, “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
 
Many Lutherans accept the bishop of Romes primacy of honor ( including me ) but reject papal supremacy and other unscriptural additions to the bishops power,but primacy was never a problem .
Is not some level of jurisdiction inherent in primacy? Else how can it be a true primacy?
 
The problem is, if you accept the plain meaning of scripture, then you can’t accept papal primacy. Mt. 23:9 warnes, “Call no [one] man father upon the earth for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” The church is to be lead from within, by the HS and not by one man who alone is father and alone is holy. We can have many fathers, but electing one father will lead to abuses. As Lord Acton warned, “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
Who is to keep the many fathers accountable and orthodox if not the bishop? Without some form of centralized teaching office, how does one determine the faith from falsehoods?
 
Sure. Canon 6 of Nicaea indicates that he has jurisdiction, but it is not a universal jurisdiction. He is the western patriarch.

Jon
Nicea may indicate that but the Gospel of Mt 16 indicates universal jurisdiction. This would be a never ending argument with non-Catholics. But Catholics nevertheless stick with what Jesus said about the role of Peter. So that’s where the twain split.
 
Who is to keep the many fathers accountable and orthodox if not the bishop? Without some form of centralized teaching office, how does one determine the faith from falsehoods?
We all have to possess the Holy Spirit enough to discern. This takes much communion, work, steeping ourselves in Scriptures on all subjects. The centralized teaching office is meant to support all that, not supplant it, not compete with it (and lose out sometimes).
 
I believe that there are some Anglo-Catholics that accept the primacy of the pope,
The extreme Anglo_catholic end of the Anglican spectrum is sometimes referred to as Anglo-Papal, for its high view of the Papacy. This is largely a CoE phenomenon, AFAIK

But Anglo-Catholics, generally do have some concept of the primacy of the Patriarch of the West, primus inter pares, despite not being in communion with Rome.
 
Separate out primacy of teaching, from primacy of administration.

There may be some who do not want their congregation to be submerged within any diocese. Others who can accept a “diocese” but not under any pope. The need for the central administration is still obvious to me, but not more obvious to others now than it was, say in 1960. My own diocese wins awards for inefficiency.

But teaching? In 1960 non Catholic Christians could cite somewhat different sources of guidance, but all would have said that prayerful believers, attentive to the Holy Spirit, could accurately discern the Truth through Scripture; and, some would add, through guidance of general Christian Tradition and their own faith tradition, reflecting on preaching of the Word and Sacrament. When you are sailing in the afternoon (i. e.1960), a landmark lighthouse like the papacy is somewhat interesting, but not crucial, when you have other “more reliable” guides.

What have we learned since 1960 in terms of those “more reliable” guides that made primacy of papal teaching seem superfluous then? Is it still the afternoon now?
 
The problem is, if you accept the plain meaning of scripture, then you can’t accept papal primacy. Mt. 23:9 warns, “Call no [one] man father upon the earth for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” The church is to be lead from within, by the HS and not by one man who alone is father and alone is holy. We can have many fathers, but electing one father will lead to abuses. As Lord Acton warned, “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
What you and many other Protestants fail to realize is that the Pope/Bishop of Rome/Patriarch of the West/Roman Pontiff/Successor of Peter/Vicar of Christ is the Pastor of the world’s largest and oldest Church. If you oversimplify it, that’s what it really boils down to. One of the favorite titles the pope has is the “Servant of the Servants of God”.

The pope does NOT have absolute power. He is BOUND by Scripture and Sacred Tradition; and as we all are - he is guided by the Holy Spirit and will be held very much accountable to Jesus Christ. And he knows that.

How many PROTESTANT communities follow the EXACT same model but on a far smaller scale? A Non-Denominational or other Protestant church may have two or three congregations under the leadership of ONE pastor; who may (or may not) have (name removed by moderator)ut from assistant pastors; but ALL final decisions may rest with the “head pastor”. Does that happen? What do you call that?

Does the PASTOR at YOUR church interpret Scripture for you every Sunday in his sermon? Does he guide members of his congregation in all things relating to Christian life? Does he have assistant pastors or other preachers that answer to him? Is that un-Biblical?

What role does the pastor of YOUR church play? I am curious.
 
Can you be Protestant and accept papal primacy?
Having been around the block a few times (and anticipating this thread rapidly turning into an exercise in rehashing arguments for and against Papal Supremacy) I’m going to try my darnedest to stay out of the discussion (or the main discussion, since threads usually have more than one).

But let me recommend studying the term Anglican Papalism. As Wikipedia puts it “manifesting a particularly high degree of influence from, and even identification with, the Roman Catholic Church.” (Of course “particularly high degree” suggests there can be other non-RCs with a “[somewhat] high degree of influence from, and even identification with, the Roman Catholic Church.”)
 
The problem is, if you accept the plain meaning of scripture, then you can’t accept papal primacy. Mt. 23:9 warnes, “Call no [one] man father upon the earth for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” The church is to be lead from within, by the HS and not by one man who alone is father and alone is holy. We can have many fathers, but electing one father will lead to abuses. As Lord Acton warned, “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
The “call no man father” issue has been addressed many times. Jesus is using hyperbole; he obviously doesn’t mean you cannot call no man “father,” else you couldn’t refer to your mother’s husband as “father” – but no one thinks Jesus meant that.

In the very next verse, Jesus says to call no one “teacher.” Yet plenty of Protestants are fine addressing their pastors as “Dr. such and such” – the word doctor comes from the Latin word meaning teacher. But we know there is nothing wrong with calling someone “teacher,” for teachers have a role in the church:
“God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers” (1 Cor. 12:28)

Likewise, there are true fathers in the Church.

The fatherhood of the pope, like all bishops and priests, is s spiritual fatherhood. Paul says to the Corinthians: For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).
Spiritual fatherhood on the part of the Apostles is clear throughout the New Testament:

Paul tells Timothy:“To Timothy, my true child in the faith: grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord” (1 Tim 1:2).

So unless you have a specific objection to the kind of fatherhood that the Pope has, then using this Scriptural citation to negate spiritual fatherhood does not work.

And to your other point, yes purely human power can corrupt. There have been many scandals on the part of popes who have embraced temporal concerns over the eternal concerns of Christ. But popes are mere men who retain their free will – they too can choose evil. Thankfully, the vast majority of popes have been saintly men who have worked to accomplish the will of God.

Nevertheless, the Church was not built by men. It is not purely or merely human. Christ says “I will build my church.” And he continues by saying the gates of hell shall not prevail against it! This is the word of the Holy Spirit. And one tool Christ meant for his church to ensure its foundation of unity and belief is the role of Peter, whom Christ charged to “feed” his “sheep.” He prayed for Peter’s faith so that he could confirm his own brothers in the faith.

Peter’s very name was changed; and in the Bible, name changes signify something about the role of the person. Like Abram to Abraham. Peter is the “rock” on which Christ builds his church.

When he says to Peter I will give you the “Keys of the Kingdom,” Christ echoes the words of Isaiah 22, which pointed to the role of the chief steward in the House of David, who served under the king and yet served as a leading figure with the “keys”:As can be seen in Isaiah 22:22, kings in the Old Testament appointed a chief steward to serve under them in a position of great authority to rule over the inhabitants of the kingdom. Jesus quotes almost verbatum from this passage in Isaiah, and so it is clear what he has in mind. He is raising Peter up as a father figure to the household of faith (Is. 22:21), to lead them and guide the flock (John 21:15-17). This authority of the prime minister under the king was passed on from one man to another down through the ages by the giving of the keys, which were worn on the shoulder as a sign of authority. Likewise, the authority of Peter has been passed down for 2000 years by means of the papacy. MORE

**But anyway, with that out of the way, I’d like to stick on track with the various non-Catholic views of the role of the Pope. **

Are there any others besides Anglicans and Lutherans who view some kind of primacy of the Pope? I do not just mean a recognition of a historical primacy; rather, a recognition of some sort of valid primacy for today’s Christian church?
 
Nicea may indicate that but the Gospel of Mt 16 indicates universal jurisdiction. This would be a never ending argument with non-Catholics. But Catholics nevertheless stick with what Jesus said about the role of Peter. So that’s where the twain split.
Hi Reuben,
The pertinent part of Matthew 6 is:
  • 18And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.*
This clearly speaks to a level of leadership. No one who is honest denies St. Peter his role as a leader, perhaps the leader, but that is not universal jurisdiction. It was considered to be universal jurisdiction in the early Church, and that’s where the words of Nicaea canon 6 play an important role.

It is also important to recognize that Cardinal Ratzinger’s words, directed at Orthodoxy -
“Rome must not require more from the East with respect to the doctrine of primacy than had been formulated and was lived in the first millennium” — is referring to jurisdiction, and has the potential to be applied to western traditions such as Lutheranism.

Jon
 
My priest was an Anglican Papalist before converting to the Catholic church through the Ordinariate. I also know of an Anglo-Catholic church in my area that mentions the Pope (and the Archbishop of Canterbury for good measure) during the Eucharistic Prayers.
 
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