Can you help me prove that homosexuality is unnatural and is a disorder?

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buffalo said:
[Homosexuality And Biological Factors: Real Evidence – None;
Misleading Interpretations: Plenty

Dr. van den Aardweg explains why he believes the claims for a biological basis
for SSA have little merit.](http://www.narth.com/docs/aardweg.pdf)
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That “source” is from a website which advocates “therapy” to help “convert” men from homosexuality to heterosexuality. That is impossible. Therefore your “proof” has a conflict of interest and comes from a dubious souce. Please find something more credible, thanks. Also your other “proof” I just could not understand what you quoted, was poorly edited. Please re-edit and re-post.
 
estesbob said:
Dr. Elizabeth Moberly, world-renowned psychologist: “No one has yet proven a direct link between genetic and hormonal research and homosexual orientation. There is no evidence for it.”
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Of course you cannot proof that it is totally genetic. To do so would either need A) a male baby acting gay when born, or B) move a heterosexual man to live with some gay men and see if he “becomes” gay. There is however evidence for it, which I have already posted.
Masters & Johnson, famous sexologists: “The genetic theory of homosexuality has been generally discarded today. No serious scientist today suggests that a simple cause-effect applies.”
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Actually, there are. I’ve linked to some studies above. Also, whats a sexologist?
Dr. R. Kronemeyer, New York psychologist (working among New York’s enormous ‘gay’ population): “With rare exceptions, homosexuality is neither genetic nor the result of some glandular disturbance. Homosexuals are made, not ‘born that way’. From my 25 years’ experience as a clinical psychologist, I firmly believe that homosexuality is a learned experience and that it can be unlearned.”
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Well, his opinion is certainly different from the regulartory body for psychologists, which recognise homosexuality as a naturally-occuring sexual orientation, which cannot be “cured”.
Dr. Joseph Berger, assistant professor of psychiatry, University of Toronto (working among the largest ‘gay’ community in Canada): “In my 20 years of psychiatry I have never come across anyone with ‘innate homosexuality’.”
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He’s a psychologist, not a scientist. Unlikely he’s followed his clients through their entire life, and unlikely he knows anything about genetics.
Scientists, many of them homosexuals, have failed to find a “gay gene” after decades of trying. The well known studies by such scientists as Dean Hamer, Simon LeVay, Bailey & Pillard, have proven to be a dead-end.

Even homosexual activists such as the famous lesbian activist, Camille Paglia, are forced to admit the truth. The brutally honest Paglia admitted: “No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous. Homosexuality is an adaptation, not an inborn trait.”
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Think about it logially. If homosexuality is learnt, how come people in secluded socities start exhibited homosexual behaviour if they have never seen/heard/experienced it before? There had to have been a first time in a community, are you going to tell me that homosexuality is learnt, yet never had a beginning? Never had a time when there was the first homosexual who had urges without “experiencing” it first? 🤷
 
LemonAndLime said:
Think about it logially. If homosexuality is learnt, how come people in secluded socities start exhibited homosexual behaviour if they have never seen/heard/experienced it before? There had to have been a first time in a community, are you going to tell me that homosexuality is learnt, yet never had a beginning? Never had a time when there was the first homosexual who had urges without “experiencing” it first? 🤷
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Irrelevant. There is no scientific evidence that homosexual behavior is anything but a choice. Mankind has been engaging in all sorts of deviant sexual behavior
since the dawn of time. That does not make it moral .
 
estesbob said:
Irrelevant. There is no scientific evidence that homosexual behavior is anything but a choice. Mankind has been engaging in all sorts of deviant sexual behavior
since the dawn of time. That does not make it moral .
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Oh for heaven’s sake.

**I HAVE ALREADY POSTED SOME SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT IT IS GENETIC!!! ** :mad:

I’m getting sick of people on this thread saying “Theres no proof” - then, when I show them proof, they say “There is no proof.”

Believe what you want to believe. But deliberately choosing to be ignorant/blind of facts in front of your eyes beggers belief.

Also, as to that testimonial - doesn’t prove anything. Could be made up, could be faked, could well have been brainwashed. SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT IT IS UNNATURAL PLEASE WHICH HAS NOT BEEN POSTED ON A WEBSITE WHICH HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST thank you!
 
LemonAndLime said:
Oh for heaven’s sake.

**I HAVE ALREADY POSTED SOME SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT IT IS GENETIC!!! **:mad:

I’m getting sick of people on this thread saying “Theres no proof” - then, when I show them proof, they say “There is no proof.”

Believe what you want to believe. But deliberately choosing to be ignorant/blind of facts in front of your eyes beggers belief.

Also, as to that testimonial - doesn’t prove anything. Could be made up, could be faked, could well have been brainwashed. SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT IT IS UNNATURAL PLEASE WHICH HAS NOT BEEN POSTED ON A WEBSITE WHICH HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST thank you!
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All you have posted is speculation that it is genetic. On the other hand we have posted peer-reviewed scientific studies that show there is no genetic component to homosexual behavior. You dismiss it out of hand because it didn’t come from a pro-homosexual website.
 
LemonAndLime said:
Oh for heaven’s sake.

**I HAVE ALREADY POSTED SOME SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT IT IS GENETIC!!! ** :mad:

I’m getting sick of people on this thread saying “Theres no proof” - then, when I show them proof, they say “There is no proof.”

Believe what you want to believe. But deliberately choosing to be ignorant/blind of facts in front of your eyes beggers belief.

Also, as to that testimonial - doesn’t prove anything. Could be made up, could be faked, could well have been brainwashed. SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT IT IS UNNATURAL PLEASE WHICH HAS NOT BEEN POSTED ON A WEBSITE WHICH HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST thank you!
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Can you give us a link, so we can take a look, and determine the bases of the evidence please. Thank you 😃
 
estesbob said:
All you have posted is speculation that it is genetic. On the other hand we have posted peer-reviewed scientific studies that show there is no genetic component to homosexual behavior. You dismiss it out of hand because it didn’t come from a pro-homosexual website.
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I second that.👍
 
estesbob said:
All you have posted is speculation that it is genetic. On the other hand we have posted peer-reviewed scientific studies that show there is no genetic component to homosexual behavior. You dismiss it out of hand because it didn’t come from a pro-homosexual website.
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Incorrect. Scroll up. Learn to read. 👍

I have posted studies with names of the Professor’s who carried them out. Thank you very much.
 
HERE is my scientific studies I’ve posted. After posting this, I’m going to search through my favourited websites and post some more. You people are blind and only see what you want to see.

By the way, I want scientific studies from you proving the opposite which aren’t from pro-life or Catholic websites. Why? Conflict of interest. If what you say is true and unbiased scienctists have found that it is not genetic, then surely that shouldn’t be too hard.
LemonAndLime said:
Are you sure about that? By the way, the following are only a select few I can produce when asked for. If you want more, no problem. 🙂 The following three prove that, for some people at least, homosexuality can be determined before birth e.g. purely genetics. When did you hear that science is on the side saying that it is unnatural? 🤷

Study based on fingertip ridges:
J.A.Y. Hall and D. Kimura at the University of Western Ontario at London ON Canada found a relationship between the number of fingertip ridges on men and their sexual orientation. 7 They compared the number of ridges on the index finger and thumb of the left hand with the number on the corresponding fingers of the right hand. They found that 30% of the homosexuals tested had a surplus of ridges on their left hand, whereas only 14% of the heterosexuals did. This is a particularly interesting finding, because fingerprints are fully determined in a fetus before the 17th week of pregnancy, and do not change thereafter, through birth, infancy, childhood, youth and adulthood. This would seem to prove that for at least some adult homosexuals, their sexual orientation was pre-determined before birth, perhaps at conception; certainly by the end of the 4th month of pregnancy. 8,9

Study based on finger-lengths:
A California psychologist, Marc Breedlove, “conducted his research at three street fairs in the San Francisco Bay area in the fall of 1999.” Each study participant had his or her hand photocopied on a portable copy machine to record finger length. Participants also filled out a questionnaire on sexual orientation and birth order. 720 volunteers participated. They found that lesbians tended to have shorter index fingers (relative to their ring fingers) than did heterosexual women. They also found that gay males tended to have shorter index fingers (relative to their ring fingers) than heterosexual males. The relative size of a person’s fingers is determined well before birth. These findings imply that sexual orientation is at least partly decided before birth – perhaps at conception when a person’s unique DNA is established. 10

Studies based on fraternal birth order:
In the mid 1990s, researcher Ray Blanchard studied families in which there is a male child with a homosexual orientation. He found that a gay man is more likely to have older brothers than older sisters. He found that the probability that a male child will grow up as a homosexual increases by about 33% for each brother born before he was. Blanchard suggests that this effect may be caused by an immune response within the mother during pregnancy. 11,12,13 According to the program 60 Minutes, recent studies have shown that this effect only happens among right-handed brothers. 28
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Not my forum but I would highly suggest we simmer down and post with charity.
For those new to the forum, perhaps a quick review of the forum rules
 
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