Can you justify competitive eating?

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**aspawloski4th [/quote] said:
“The reason I’m on this thread soo much. I’ll admit I might of been on it more than I should.”
—Me, too! The first step is admitting there’s a problem…😛

”Goes back to when I mentioned 40, 50 years ago this would have been laughed out of town.

—Maybe, maybe not. Depends which town.
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The thing that drives me up a wall if that what we are mostly apeaking of here is some thing that has been apart of American culture since nearly the beginning, and Western culture since the days our ancestors wore bones in their beards.

—Do you have facts to back this up? The United States was founded on Christian principles, and many of the earlier sects that settled here were much more strict and “no fun” than Catholics. I’ve not heard of Puritans or Quakers having eating contests. Maybe you could send a link about it?
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It’s suddenly after millenia of beig considered for the most part to be benign are calling it evil, and some expect me to throwout all conventual wisdom on the drop of a dime and accept this new nutty as a fruitcake idea.

—Like many things it starts out relatively harmless and grows in scale. People take it too far. That’s the problem I have with it. I have said this repeatedly. At the small town pie eating contests in the 1950s people were not training for months, dedicating their lives to it as a legitimate sport, and risking their health to win a large amount of money. It was a one-time thing that people did for fun and were finished with. No one condoned overeating as a lifestyle.
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While real immorality like abortion gets not even lipservice by these people.

—What people? Have you read the forums? It’s all anyone can talk about. Some of the abortion threads have been going on for years. We all know where we stand on this already!
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It is a look at me I am being good show.

—Maybe for some, some of the time. What we are here for, I thought, was to share Christian fellowship and learn from each other.
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Someone saidd we should all aspire to sainthood. Well ’ Ive got news, most of us are not making ainthood, and biggeryet, there is more than way road to saint hood.

—No one knows who is going to Heaven or not; Jesus is the judge, not us! But I do agree there are many roads to Heaven, just not an infinite number.
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I don’t care if I get declared a saint or not, Heaven is the goal, not sainthood.

—Same thing. Whether you’re canonized or not, if you’re in Heaven or Heaven bound you are a member of the Communion of Saints.
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CW reminds me also of a certain saint who’s sainthood should be and maybe someday recinded. St Cyril of Alexandria. He and a bunch of thugs burned down the Alexandrian library, and murdred it’s librarian Hipatia. Why, because he had a we are going to show them hethens attitide. He got his sainthood, by I’d be shocked if I were to see that killer in Heaven. For those worried about other opinion abnout us, that event St Cyril prepetuated still has some hating Christianity, and that happend of a millenium and a half ago. Living a life of doing good is what gets one to hHeaven, not being a goody 2 shoes.
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—How does one’s sainthood get rescinded?

p.s. Sorry this post was ugly and hard to read. I need to learn how to quote more than once in a post! Thank you for your patience with me! 🙂
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I know its possible to recind sainthood, but I don’t know the process. I know St Christopher was resceinded because it was later found out no such person existed.
 
aspawloski4th said:
I know its possible to recind sainthood, but I don’t know the process. I know St Christopher was resceinded because it was later found out no such person existed.
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I was going to say, that’s the only one I’ve ever heard of being “rescinded” as you say and it was because he was a legend, not someone whose existence can be confirmed definitely. As far as I know though once someone has been declared a saint that is the Church saying yes, this person is in Heaven, and they can’t take it back. I’ll have to look in the Catechism… 🙂
 
I’m sticking with my oldfashioned frame of mind on it. We have too much thinking outside the box thesedays for things that don’t deserve that much thought.
 
aspawloski4th said:
Lierally , yes you didn’t say that no one can have fun, figurtively yes you did say we shouldnt be doing fun things. Whether intended or not you are always saying something beween the lines.
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“Fun” is going hiking in the mountains, or swinging on the porch swing with your beloved, or taking the dog out for a walk in the dog park, or taking the kids to a play park and watching them monkey around on the swings and slides, etc.

There’s nothing “fun” about stuffing yourself so full that you have to throw up to avoid choking to death.
 
jmcrae said:
“Fun” is going hiking in the mountains, or swinging on the porch swing with your beloved, or taking the dog out for a walk in the dog park, or taking the kids to a play park and watching them monkey around on the swings and slides, etc.

There’s nothing “fun” about stuffing yourself so full that you have to throw up to avoid choking to death.
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Funny I didn’t do that in my only eating contest I have ever been in. I found it quite fun You are looking a fun as something objective, rather what it is, subjective.
 
aspawloski4th said:
The reason I’m on this thread soo much. I’ll admit I might of been on it more than I should. Goes back to when I mentioned 40, 50 years ago this would have been laughed out of town. The thing that drives me up a wall if that what we are mostly apeaking of here is some thing that has been apart of American culture since nearly the beginning, and Western culture since the days our ancestors wore bones in their beards. It’s suddenly after millenia of beig considered for the most part to be benign are calling it evil, and some expect me to throwout all conventual wisdom on the drop of a dime and accept this new nutty as a fruitcake idea. While real immorality like abortion gets not even lipservice by these people. It is a look at me I am being good show. Someone saidd we should all aspire to sainthood. Well ’ Ive got news, most of us are not making ainthood, and biggeryet, there is more than way road to saint hood. I don’t care if I get declared a saint or not, Heaven is the goal, not sainthood. CW reminds me also of a certain saint who’s sainthood should be and maybe someday recinded. St Cyril of Alexandria. He and a bunch of thugs burned down the Alexandrian library, and murdred it’s librarian Hipatia. Why, because he had a we are going to show them hethens attitide. He got his sainthood, by I’d be shocked if I were to see that killer in Heaven. For those worried about other opinion abnout us, that event St Cyril prepetuated still has some hating Christianity, and that happend of a millenium and a half ago. Living a life of doing good is what gets one to hHeaven, not being a goody 2 shoes.
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You are showing your arrogance again. Look at my posts on other threads. And your statement of “heaven is the goal, not sainthood” is self refuting. Everyone in heaven is a Saint, though not all are canonized. To be canonized requires “heroic virtue.” Simply “living a life of doing good” is not enough either. Instead of getting on your soapbox trying to defend every selfish endeavor as acceptable in the eyes of the holy God we worship, I would recommend you truly learn the faith. Not only what the Church teaches, but why. I have said nothing that can be viewed as contrary to the teachings of the Church. If I have, then quote it. I have said such terrible things as “We are all called to holiness.” I have used the methods of St. Thomas Aquinas to determine the immorality of eating contests. What is it that I have done wrong? You accuse me of being self-righteous, yet you feel you are holy enough to condemn one of the Early Church Fathers. By saying “you would be surprised if that killer is in heaven,” you are not only claiming to know the heart of St. Cyril, you are accusing the Church of teaching in error.
 
Cheers! We’re all entitled to our opinions. Since there’s no *specific *doctrine about this we are called to use our minds and consciences to make a decent and intelligent choice!
 
aspawloski4th said:
Funny I didn’t do that in my only eating contest I have ever been in. I found it quite fun You are looking a fun as something objective, rather what it is, subjective.
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No one is making this about you except you! I can’t speak for everyone but I can say I have no problem with a one-time small scale eating contest. The morality of that or not is a personal choice. Maybe you were just hungry. Whatever.
 
A couple days ago on the Colbert Report there was a young man from PA who aspired to eat a 30,000 calorie burger which used 15 pounds of meat, several whole pickles, onions, and tomatoes, a 22 ounce bun, and I don’t remember all the rest but I’d venture to say much more than a healthy serving or two of mayonaisse, relish, ketchup, etc. His doctor warned that eating it could kill him. His response was that he would die doing what he loved. (It didn’t kill him, he ate it in about 4 hours and then decided he wanted to start “eating things that could eat him back” by diving into the ocean and attacking live sharks with a knife and fork…I’m not making this kid up! This is a goofy compulsion, people!

Anyway, part of his “training” did involve consuming large amounts of water and food and throwing up. This was his way of stretching his stomach. I would love for someone to tell me this is innocent, harmless fun. This is NOT the county fair contests!

You are not your own…honor God in your body… :rolleyes:
 
CWBetts said:
You are showing your arrogance again. Look at my posts on other threads. And your statement of “heaven is the goal, not sainthood” is self refuting. Everyone in heaven is a Saint, though not all are canonized. To be canonized requires “heroic virtue.” Simply “living a life of doing good” is not enough either. Instead of getting on your soapbox trying to defend every selfish endeavor as acceptable in the eyes of the holy God we worship, I would recommend you truly learn the faith. Not only what the Church teaches, but why. I have said nothing that can be viewed as contrary to the teachings of the Church. If I have, then quote it. I have said such terrible things as “We are all called to holiness.” I have used the methods of St. Thomas Aquinas to determine the immorality of eating contests. What is it that I have done wrong? You accuse me of being self-righteous, yet you feel you are holy enough to condemn one of the Early Church Fathers. By saying “you would be surprised if that killer is in heaven,” you are not only claiming to know the heart of St. Cyril, you are accusing the Church of teaching in error.
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Um St Cryril is a very early saint, and has nothing t do with church teaching. I Know a very knowledgeble, very learned, very conservative, retired Catholic church history teacher who would agree that saint hood for the particuler saint by rights should be recinded. The current status of St Cyril has nothing to do with teaching, it’s because the church has other stuff on it’s plate and that is likely not even on the radar screen. As far as knowing the heart of st Cyril of Alexandria , I do know I have facts in front of me that he burned down a library and murdred it’s librarian who caused no one any harm. Enough for me to not have declared a saint. If the burning down of the Alexandrian libary is heald up as a good act, we must then appollogise to those who instigated the Spanish inquisition for our critism of them.
 
philialeaf said:
A couple days ago on the Colbert Report there was a young man from PA who aspired to eat a 30,000 calorie burger which used 15 pounds of meat, several whole pickles, onions, and tomatoes, a 22 ounce bun, and I don’t remember all the rest but I’d venture to say much more than a healthy serving or two of mayonaisse, relish, ketchup, etc. His doctor warned that eating it could kill him. His response was that he would die doing what he loved. (It didn’t kill him, he ate it in about 4 hours and then decided he wanted to start “eating things that could eat him back” by diving into the ocean and attacking live sharks with a knife and fork…I’m not making this kid up! This is a goofy compulsion, people!

Anyway, part of his “training” did involve consuming large amounts of water and food and throwing up. This was his way of stretching his stomach. I would love for someone to tell me this is innocent, harmless fun. This is NOT the county fair contests!

You are not your own…honor God in your body… :rolleyes:
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That I would agree is going to far. That is an obsession. I see some OCD there bigtime. But… this is not the maroity of eating contests rf contestants. That type of obsession shows there is disorder in that young man’s life. If I were rich I’d offer psichiatric help to him( me paying for it), not point my finger in his face saying sinner, sinner.
 
aspawloski4th said:
Um St Cryril is a very early saint, and has nothing t do with church teaching. I Know a very knowledgeble, very learned, very conservative, retired Catholic church history teacher who would agree that saint hood for the particuler saint by rights should be recinded. The current status of St Cyril has nothing to do with teaching, it’s because the church has other stuff on it’s plate and that is likely not even on the radar screen. As far as knowing the heart of st Cyril of Alexandria , I do know I have facts in front of me that he burned down a library and murdred it’s librarian who caused no one any harm. Enough for me to not have declared a saint. If the burning down of the Alexandrian libary is heald up as a good act, we must then appollogise to those who instigated the Spanish inquisition for our critism of them.
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If you are critical of a Canonized Saint, you are being critical of an official pronouncement of the Church. Also to be a saint does not mean that they lived free of sin. TO say he does not belong in heaven, you are making yourself God, or at the very least you are usurping the authority of the Church.
 
jmcrae said:
Only Saints go to Heaven. That’s actually the definition of a Saint - a human being who lives in Heaven.
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I appologise for using my commonor’s definition of a saint rather than the classical. Shame on me for being a part of common folk.
 
aspawloski4th said:
That I would agree is going to far. That is an obsession. I see some OCD there bigtime. But… this is not the maroity of eating contests rf contestants. That type of obsession shows there is disorder in that young man’s life. If I were rich I’d offer psichiatric help to him( me paying for it), not point my finger in his face saying sinner, sinner.
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Nobody has done that. The original poster asked if these contests are justifiable. Many of us have said no, with our reasoning. You said there was nothing wrong, with nothing to back up your opinion except, well, opinion. You then set to going on a crusade labeling all who disagree with you as hypocrites because you took our condemnation of an activity as an attack on you personally, which none of it has been. If you have engaged in these activities, instead of devoting your energies to vindicating yourself, couldn’t you at the very least try to comprehend some of the points made?
 
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