Can you Lose Salvation?

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This idea has been troubling me this past few days…
There is some interesting reading on the Subject,
I’v wanted to seek advice on this,but hadn’t really had the chance,
So I thought perhaps Others on C A. had thought about it as well,
Opinions are appreciated ,
 
phil_at_dayboro said:
This idea has been troubling me this past few days…
There is some interesting reading on the Subject,
I’v wanted to seek advice on this,but hadn’t really had the chance,
So I thought perhaps Others on C A. had thought about it as well,
Opinions are appreciated ,
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Once you die, are judged and either go to Hell, Heaven, or Purgatory on the way to Heaven. Both Heaven and Hell are eternal. Once God renders His judgment, there is no changing it.
 
When you ask if one can lose his salvation, are you referring to losing it before you die or after?
 
The idea that one’s salvation is determined before death is a protestant one, and protestants have varying opinions on whether that status can be lost or not.

After death, once you have been judged, the decision cannot be changed.
 
Bonnie said:
The idea that one’s salvation is determined before death is a protestant one, and protestants have varying opinions on whether that status can be lost or not.

After death, once you have been judged, the decision cannot be changed.
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Yes.
 
One is not “saved” during human life, but only at the end.

So salvation is not had to be lost during life. It can only be gained or not gained.

ICXC NIKA
 
A lot of people follow the 10 commandments, & say thy love Jesus when young, but then give up in their later years. They are in danger of “losing their salvation.”
 
Past Event (I have been saved)

Rom 8:24 for in hope we were saved
Eph 2:5,8 by grace you have been saved through faith
2 Tim 1:9 he saved us, called us, according to his grace
Tit 3:5 he saved us thru the bath of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit (baptism)

Present Process (I am being saved)

Phil 2:12 work out your salvation with fear and trembling
1 Pet 1:9 as you attain the goal of your faith, salvation

Future Event (I will be saved)

Mt 10:22, 24:13 he who endures to the end will be saved
Acts 15:11 we shall be saved through the grace of Jesus
Rom 5:9-10 since we are justified, we shall be saved
1 Cor 5:5 deliver a man to satan in order that his spirit may be saved

Salvation is an ongoing process throughout this life. Objectively you are saved at baptism, but then throughout your lifetime you have freewill to accept the graces from God to live accordingly or to not live accordingly. It is during this time that salvation may be lost (through sin) and regained (repentance and confession), lost again and regained again. At the time of death you will be judged. If you are in a state of grace than you have eternal salvation. If you are not in a state of grace than eternal condemnation.

That’s the simple version in a nutshell. Hope that helps.
 
phil_at_dayboro said:
This idea has been troubling me this past few days…
There is some interesting reading on the Subject,
I’v wanted to seek advice on this,but hadn’t really had the chance,
So I thought perhaps Others on C A. had thought about it as well,
Opinions are appreciated ,
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I think posters are missing your point.

Of course you could lose your salvation. You lose your salvation when you DENY God, turn your back on Him and ignore Him and keep Him out of your life.

God can forgive any sin, but one sin He cannot forgive - blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

“But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin.”
Mark 3:29

So yes, you can blaspheme the H.S. at any time, before being “saved” (as understood as when you come to believe in God and accept your faith and baptism) so that you are never saved in that state, or after being saved by abandoning God.

Baptists believe that once you are saved you are always saved no matter what; but the Catholic church does not teach this.

Paul said that for a saved person to fall back and deny God is like a dog returning to his vomit.

I believe this is what you meant. Sorry if I misunderstood.

God bless you
 
Bonnie said:
Not Paul - Peter. 2 Peter 2:20-22. And he doesn’t mention salvation, but being on the road to holiness.
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Hello Bonnie,

Thanks for the correction! I usually look up scripture, and should have this time too!

Just for the sake of the OP, if you read all 2 Peter 2 it’s about false teachers and persons giving in to their flesh and worldy ways and the such.

I especially like 2 Peter 2:19-22 - which is the scripture I should have quoted, which I usually do.

Don’t understand how you understand that these people are on the road to holiness, but even if they were, – being on the road to holiness equals being saved.

God bless
 
frangiuliano115 said:
Don’t understand how you understand that these people are on the road to holiness, but even if they were, – being on the road to holiness equals being saved.
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Cause that’s what verse 21 says: “It would have been better for them not to have recognized the road to holiness than to have turned their backs on the holy law handed on to them, once they had known it.” New American Bible

My take on it is that anyone on the “road to holiness” would be be in the process of being saved, not saved, past tense. It goes well with my favorite OT verse:

This is what the Lord says:
“Stand at the crossroads and look,
ask for the ancient paths,
ask where the good way is,
and walk in it,
and you will find rest for your souls."

Jeremiah 6:16
 
Bonnie said:
Cause that’s what verse 21 says: “It would have been better for them not to have recognized the road to holiness than to have turned their backs on the holy law handed on to them, once they had known it.” New American Bible

My take on it is that anyone on the “road to holiness” would be be in the process of being saved, not saved, past tense. It goes well with my favorite OT verse:

This is what the Lord says:
“Stand at the crossroads and look,
ask for the ancient paths,
ask where the good way is,
and walk in it,
and you will find rest for your souls."

Jeremiah 6:16
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Good morning,
You have quoted one of my favorite prophets and one I used to use in catechism class to show my kids how one has to decide whom one will serve. It goes along with Deuteronomy 30:15, and in another scripture in Deuteronomy is states almost exactly what Jeremiah says, but I can’t think of it right now and don’ want to make a mistake like in my first post! Thought you might be interested since you like Jeremiah so much.

Also, I don’t like to carry on about things that are not important but I DO think the 2 Peter 2:20 quote is important only because it directly answers the OP question of salvation being lost. So I’ll not belabor the point but would like to say the following:

2 Peter 2:19-22 is speaking of teachers; however, we are all held to the same standard so it is okay to use as a proof text.

If you read 2:20 carefully you’ll see:

"For if after they have escaped the defilement of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ"

So now they have escaped the world - they had not been saved before but became saved, or being saved, as you like to say (and correctly so) by the knowledge of Jesus Christ.

"They are again entangled in them and are OVERCOME, the last state is worse than the first."

They are now entangled again in the world and have lost their salvation.

So: They were lost, they became saved through Jesus, they became lost again.

And the last state is worse than the first (the second time they became lost is worse than the first time they were originally lost) because if you remember Jesus said, To whom much is given, much will be required.

So they had know the Lord and knew the right things, so their going back into the world and being lost AGAIN was worse then when they were originally lost.

Now, we might be saying the same thing but using different words which is many times the case. So I would apologize if this is the case and I didn’t understand you.

I only think it’s important for the OP to understand that you CAN lose your salvation.

God bless you
 
Thank you all for you Contributions,very much appreciated ,

I was thinking along the lines of Hebrews 10:26

For if we go on sinning Willfully after receiving the knowledge and the truth,
There no longer remains a Sacrifice for sins,

Those that rejected it had lost there Salvation,
Once you research these things concerning Salvation and the Loseing of salvation,
It become very thought Provoking ,
There are other reading of the Bible that hint at the same Result , such as Matthew 13. 1:9
 
Can you lose Jesus in your heart? He is our only salvation. Keep close to him. And always be unfearfull to return to him for he is meek and kind of heart.
 
fred_conty said:
Can you lose Jesus in your heart? He is our only salvation. Keep close to him. And always be unfearfull to return to him for he is meek and kind of heart.
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Yes you can& it happends every day of the week,
Those that have salvation and turn their back on it, lose it,
 
phil_at_dayboro said:
Yes you can& it happends every day of the week,
Those that have salvation and turn their back on it, lose it,
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Dayboro. You’re the OP. I think fred conty is just trying to show how NOT to lose salvation. And he’s right of course and I’m sure you must agree.

So since you know you CAN lose your salvation, were you hinting at something a bit more complicated in your original question and my post way back when was a complete waste of time??? I mean, in the sense that you already knew the answer… You maybe meant something different?

God bless you
 
frangiuliano115 said:
Dayboro. You’re the OP. I think fred conty is just trying to show how NOT to lose salvation. And he’s right of course and I’m sure you must agree.

So since you know you CAN lose your salvation, were you hinting at something a bit more complicated in your original question and my post way back when was a complete waste of time??? I mean, in the sense that you already knew the answer… You maybe meant something different?

God bless you
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As I said in my opening, I said it was something that had me concerned,and was beginning to read up with research on the subject, and thought it would be a good discussion point, people I’m sure are unaware you can lose salvation,perhaps people may think that salvation is a guarantee
 
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