Can you prove Christianity?

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As long as he does his best to seek truth and be a good person even from a Catholic perspective I don’t think he would be considered screwed. There are a lot of more important things out there than just following the “right” religion.
 
Dan_Defender said:
For the believer, no proof is necessary. For the unbeliever, no proof is enough.
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One of the worst arguments. A personal visit from God, surrounded by his angels would be pretty convincing. As a matter of fact a simple conversation which would explain the “problem of evil” would sufficient for us. Or a guided tour of heaven and hell, so we could make an INFORMED decision would be very effective.
Dan_Defender said:
Bottom line: faith is a gift.
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Obviously not everyone received that gift. Of course I can already foresee the argument, that we all are given that gift, but the non-believers reject it. Please don’t even try that.
 
po18guy said:
The leap pf faith required to transition from Old Testament to New is simply beyond comprehension to many, i.e. Judaism.
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Which makes no sense to me - the Old Testament talks about the exact amount of money the Messiah would be betrayed for, how it would be used to buy the potter’s field, how His clothes would be divided, how his hands and feet would be pierced… what more do people want? The whole Old Testament shouts aloud “Jesus Christ”.

And all these things came 950 - 1200 years before He set foot on earth.
Thinker_Doer said:
A personal visit from God, surrounded by his angels would be pretty convincing.
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No, it wouldn’t be. There are street magicians that can “fly” and do “miracles” too - if Jesus came to your house, I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t believe, but start looking for hidden wires.
 
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ReaderT said:
No, it wouldn’t be. There are street magicians that can fly and do miracles too. If Jesus came to your house, I.m pretty sure you’d start looking for hidden wires.
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That is not what I would do. And you cannot even guess what I would do. Don’t even try.
 
Thinker_Doer said:
That is not what I would do. And you cannot even guess what I would do. Don’t even try.
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A man shining with bright light appears at your doorstep tomorrow morning and flies around - are you going to believe in God then? Or (as seems much more likely) are you going to think it’s a trick?
 
ReaderT said:
A man shining with bright light appears at your doorstep tomorrow morning and flies around - are you going to believe in God then? Or (as seems much more likely) are you going to think it’s a trick?
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My investigation would be MUCH more in-depth than that.

According to the believers God would like to have everyone freely choose him, and also according to Jesus, whatever we ask in his name will be filled, so that the Father will be glorified by the Son. Also according to the believers, God can perform all sorts of miracles, which violate the laws of nature. Based upon these assertions I would set up a TEST to find out if that claimant is really God, or just an impostor. Because that is the point. Separating God from the impostors. After all, one is allowed to test the IMPOSTORS?
 
Thinker_Doer said:
Based upon these assertions I would set up a TEST to find out if that claimant is really God, or just an impostor. Because that is the point. Separating God from the impostors. After all, one is allowed to test the IMPOSTORS?
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It’s good to separate God from magicians; Jesus himself says, “Do not be deceived.” But look, there are enough unexplained miracles already out there, many of which have been recorded on iPhones, such as the phenomenon of myrrh-streaming icons in the Orthodox Church. Look at the video below: myrrh is literally streaming off the cross. But even when people see it, they don’t believe. They say, “That can’t be real, there must be a secret compartment in the cross; the priest filled the basin with liquid before they recorded, because this just doesn’t happen in real life.” So it’s a frivolous effort:

What do you think?
 
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ReaderT said:
But look, there are enough unexplained miracles already out there, many of which have been recorded on iPhones, such as the phenomenon of myrrh-streaming icons in the Orthodox Church.
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Sorry, that is not the way the cookie crumbles. You cannot declare afterwards that there was no natural explanation - and more importantly - there can be no natural explanation. You need to set up a proper, double-blind experiment, where the judges are trained stage-magicians, who can see through a possible impostor’s deception, with all sorts of safeguards to protect the integrity of the experiment.

Here is a simple experiment. God (or the impostor) comes and offers to perform a miracle. I ask to rearrange the stars to display a selected book from the Bible, there the stars are the pixels to form the words. No impostor can “fool” the cameras which will capture the stellar picture of this miracle. This would be a decisive “miracle”.
 
Thinker, what do you think of the video I posted? I was curious to get your response
 
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Which makes no sense to me
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That’s because you consider the NT to be reportage/scripture. If one doesn’t consider it reportage/scripture then the explanation for the fulfilled ‘prophesy’ can be very, very different.
 
Thinker_Doer said:
Any half-competent stage magician can replicate it.
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I’d like to see one try, in the exact way shown in the video. Sure, I suppose that there will never be a 100% fool-proof miracle, knowing that people are willing to go to great lengths to deceive. But it doesn’t follow that they have to be fakes: you could’ve been of the disposition (like me) that it’s a miracle based on the credible assumption that the priest isn’t a stage magician. But you already have the predisposition of doubt and disbelief, so it’s going to be hard to find something you wouldn’t discredit from the start.
 
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What do you hope to accomplish by this, it’s not going to have an effect?
 
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