Can your Confessor be your Spiritual Director?

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Can your Confessor be your Spiritual Director?

If any of you have a Confessor who is your Spiritual Director, can you please share your experience with me.

What are the pros and cons of this?

Thanks.
 
Yes, they can, and for me it is the most beneficial relationship.
A spiritual director’s job is to help you find how God is working in your life, and how you are working against God.

However, not all priests are called to be “spiritual directors”. My best advice is to talk to your regular confessor and see if he is willing to do spiritual direction also, and if not ask him if he can recommend someone.
 
Yes, but so can trusted friends who walk closely with the Lord. Even a book (such as the Bible, which is the Word of God speaking constantly to you) can act as a spiritual director. Don’t get hung up on the label or title or position. The Holy Spirit can be your spiritual director – and is the primary one.
 
Yes, but so can trusted friends who walk closely with the Lord. Even a book (such as the Bible, which is the Word of God speaking constantly to you) can act as a spiritual director. Don’t get hung up on the label or title or position. The Holy Spirit can be your spiritual director – and is the primary one.
St. Theresa of Avila said “The person who has himself as a spiritual director has a fool for director!”, which is really what happens when you try to use the Bible or the Spirit alone.

We need someone to help us recognize what’s going on because we can miss things and misinterpret things. Yes, the Bible is the word of God but it is the job of the Church to interpret it for us because we’re very good at getting led astray (see: Protestant reformation).
 
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Sounds like you are going to be a great spiritual director!! 😃
St. Theresa of Avila said “The person who has himself as a spiritual director has a fool for director!”, which is really what happens when you try to use the Bible or the Spirit alone.

We need someone to help us recognize what’s going on because we can miss things and misinterpret things. Yes, the Bible is the word of God but it is the job of the Church to interpret it for us because we’re very good at getting led astray (see: Protestant reformation).
 
Can your Confessor be your Spiritual Director?

If any of you have a Confessor who is your Spiritual Director, can you please share your experience with me.

What are the pros and cons of this?

Thanks.
It depends on you or the confessor.
 
And here I forgot to say the reason I came into the thread in the first place. 😊

My regular-ish confessor is my spiritual director. I’ve always done face to face confession (except if the priest happens to be in the actual confession and not the reconciliation room) because I feel it requires me to own up to my sins more, so that’s no change for me.

The pros I find is that my SD helps me out with trying to take a deeper look in confession at my sins since he knows me a bit better.

I guess some people would list the cons as “your SD knows all your sins”. I’ve never seen that as a problem because priests aren’t allowed to use what they’ve heard in a confessional anyways, and for the most part priests don’t really remember what you’ve confessed because they hear so many confessions.
 
In my case, I already had a regular confessor and later found a spiritual director (who is also a priest). I usually still go to the regular confessor for confession – it’s usually more convenient – and only ask the spiritual director for confession if I happen to feel a need at the time. It works out well for me on a practical level, and is spiritually helpful because I can experience more than one priestly “approach” to confession.
 
I guess some people would list the cons as “your SD knows all your sins”. I’ve never seen that as a problem because priests aren’t allowed to use what they’ve heard in a confessional anyways, and for the most part priests don’t really remember what you’ve confessed because they hear so many confessions.
I feel having the same priest as both director and confessor is the best. That way he knows the whole you. I understand that a good number of the saints, however, did have a confessor AND director, whether during their whole spiritual journey or a part of it.
 
St. Theresa of Avila said “The person who has himself as a spiritual director has a fool for director!”, which is really what happens when you try to use the Bible or the Spirit alone.

We need someone to help us recognize what’s going on because we can miss things and misinterpret things. Yes, the Bible is the word of God but it is the job of the Church to interpret it for us because we’re very good at getting led astray (see: Protestant reformation).
You’ll also note, perhaps you were too busy trying to make your point, that the first recommendation was to use trusted & prayerful friends. Forumites at CAF too often throw out the “Spiritual Director Card” whenever anything comes up – it’s a panacea for every prayer concern and often it’s an efficient way of not answering someone’s question about spiritual matters.

Spiritual directors are often difficult to find and one has to know how to proceed without one, for there will be times when the Lord does not grant you a spiritual director in the form of a person (or, in today’s approach, a person who has a “degree” in spiritual direction). Most of the faithful do not have a spiritual director, and many will never be able to find a suitable one. What remedy will you offer them?
 
Spiritual directors are often difficult to find and one has to know how to proceed without one, for there will be times when the Lord does not grant you a spiritual director in the form of a person (or, in today’s approach, a person who has a “degree” in spiritual direction). Most of the faithful do not have a spiritual director, and many will never be able to find a suitable one. What remedy will you offer them?
I was having this discussion with someone who told me sometimes it is better to go it alone. Sometimes things don’t work out with a spiritual director.

Someone else told me that spiritual directors in the past were primarily for those who had a vocation such as a Religious vocation Is this true?

Is everyone meant to find a spiritual director?
 
Can your Confessor be your Spiritual Director?
If your spiritual director is a priest then he can fill both roles. I find it to be an excellent combination for myself. Being able to confess to someone who knows me so well changes things. He’s able to see connections that I don’t see myself. And the penance he gives fits well into my spiritual life.
 
You’ll also note, perhaps you were too busy trying to make your point, that the first recommendation was to use trusted & prayerful friends. Forumites at CAF too often throw out the “Spiritual Director Card” whenever anything comes up – it’s a panacea for every prayer concern and often it’s an efficient way of not answering someone’s question about spiritual matters.

Spiritual directors are often difficult to find and one has to know how to proceed without one, for there will be times when the Lord does not grant you a spiritual director in the form of a person (or, in today’s approach, a person who has a “degree” in spiritual direction). Most of the faithful do not have a spiritual director, and many will never be able to find a suitable one. What remedy will you offer them?
As a “Forumite” as you call those of us that do give the advice to seek out a spiritual director, I disagree with you. One can not always give the best spiritual advice with the limitations of the internet being what it is and with the limited information someone posts. If someone comes to you with a health complaint, do you give medical advice in areas you may not have much knowledge? Same with spiritual matters, I recommend seeking out a spiritual advisor whenever the situation warrants giving advice that may go beyond the scope of the problem presented on an anonymous message board.

Seeking out a spiritual director can be as complicated or as simple as you want the relationship to be. Sometimes all the situation requires is asking to speak to your priest and the matter is handled in one conversation. Sometimes a Catholic wants an ongoing relationship with a director to discuss matters that go beyond talking to anonymous people on the internet. Better to advise seeking out a spiritual director than to tell someone to accept advice from strangers on a computer message board on the matters of the Catholic faith.
 
I feel having the same priest as both director and confessor is the best. That way he knows the whole you. I understand that a good number of the saints, however, did have a confessor AND director, whether during their whole spiritual journey or a part of it.
I see the merits in having the same person act as both confessor and spiritual director, but in my case it didn’t work out. I went to my regular confessor for a while for spiritual direction. He is a good confessor, but it was not a good fit for spiritual direction. I didn’t have a spiritual director for several years and then an opportunity came up to ask another priest for spiritual direction. So far, this is working out quite well. I would say that the spiritual director does not have to hear your sins in order to know the “whole you,” and, in fact, he cannot use knowledge obtained under the sacramental seal anyway. (It’s a violation of the seal of confession.) What matters more is a level of comfort and trust that allows the person being directed to be as honest about his or her struggles as possible.
You’ll also note, perhaps you were too busy trying to make your point, that the first recommendation was to use trusted & prayerful friends. Forumites at CAF too often throw out the “Spiritual Director Card” whenever anything comes up – it’s a panacea for every prayer concern and often it’s an efficient way of not answering someone’s question about spiritual matters.
“Trusted and prayerful friends” may give helpful advice, but they should not be relied upon for spiritual direction. At best, they can point you on to someone who can. Not only can baring your soul to friends be a burden on them, but if they don’t know enough to “know what they don’t know” then they can end up causing harm. (For example, by inducing false scruples because they don’t know what the Church requires in a certain area of morality.)
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Splagchnizomai:
Spiritual directors are often difficult to find and one has to know how to proceed without one, for there will be times when the Lord does not grant you a spiritual director in the form of a person (or, in today’s approach, a person who has a “degree” in spiritual direction). Most of the faithful do not have a spiritual director, and many will never be able to find a suitable one. What remedy will you offer them?
It can be a bit difficult to find a spiritual director, particularly if someone lives in an area with a shortage of Catholic services, but I think you may be overestimating the difficulty. Many Catholics in need of spiritual direction can get recommendations from a confessor, from a local house of a religious order or congregation, from other local priests whose orthodoxy and “spiritual balance” they trust, or even from local lay Catholics involved in “third order” lay associations (who usually know who offers spiritual direction in their area). Fr. Thomas Dubay wrote a great book on the subject titled Seeking Spiritual Direction.
 
A spiritual director leads one on a journey to perfection.
This is an obligation for the religious and they are better trained than a diocesian priest.
I use a religious( regular priest) rather than a secular priest on my journey!
 
Better to advise seeking out a spiritual director than to tell someone to accept advice from strangers on a computer message board on the matters of the Catholic faith.
How can one possibly follow your advice? 😉
 
You’ll also note, perhaps you were too busy trying to make your point, that the first recommendation was to use trusted & prayerful friends. Forumites at CAF too often throw out the “Spiritual Director Card” whenever anything comes up – it’s a panacea for every prayer concern and often it’s an efficient way of not answering someone’s question about spiritual matters.
Well, this is an internet forum full of anonymous people. When people bring up serious spiritual questions, this is a terrible place for finding answers. Serious questions need the attention of someone who has been trained to recognize and respond to them. They need someone to whom them can explain all their background and where they are in life; what that means is that it needs to be non-anonymous.
Spiritual directors are often difficult to find and one has to know how to proceed without one, for there will be times when the Lord does not grant you a spiritual director in the form of a person (or, in today’s approach, a person who has a “degree” in spiritual direction). Most of the faithful do not have a spiritual director, and many will never be able to find a suitable one. What remedy will you offer them?
Don’t stray too far off the beaten path.

Once you start going off it’s pretty easy to even logically lead yourself astray. All it takes is accepting one false premise, one lie (and for some reason, we’re not very good at recognizing the difference sometimes).
I was having this discussion with someone who told me sometimes it is better to go it alone. Sometimes things don’t work out with a spiritual director.

Someone else told me that spiritual directors in the past were primarily for those who had a vocation such as a Religious vocation Is this true?

Is everyone meant to find a spiritual director?
Well, since spiritual directors are suppose to help us in our spiritual life, and everyone (hopefully!) has a spirituality and participates in the spiritual life, it follows that it would be good for everyone to have a spiritual director. Spiritual direction can include vocational direction because that vocation is part of that persons spirituality.

For example, at the location theological college all lay (non-religious, non-seminarians) MDiv students are required to have a spiritual director.

I guess the hang-up is that it would probably be logistically impossible. As someone else pointed out though, some people may only need a nudge in the right direction once in a while and another person might need ongoing advice (scrupulous people may need ongoing help distinguishing sins from non-sins for example).
How can one possibly follow your advice? 😉
Ooh, a paradox. 😛

Maybe you should ask you local priest or someone you trust (in real life) how to proceed? 😉
 
And here I forgot to say the reason I came into the thread in the first place. 😊

My regular-ish confessor is my spiritual director. I’ve always done face to face confession (except if the priest happens to be in the actual confession and not the reconciliation room) because I feel it requires me to own up to my sins more, so that’s no change for me.

The pros I find is that my SD helps me out with trying to take a deeper look in confession at my sins since he knows me a bit better.

I guess some people would list the cons as “your SD knows all your sins”. I’ve never seen that as a problem because priests aren’t allowed to use what they’ve heard in a confessional anyways, and for the most part priests don’t really remember what you’ve confessed because they hear so many confessions.
It seems by reading your post that there are really no cons for A Confessor to be a Spiritual Director. I was thinking if my SD knew my sins and what I was confessing, it would be more helpful for me in spiritual direction.

Thank you.
 
In my case, I already had a regular confessor and later found a spiritual director (who is also a priest). I usually still go to the regular confessor for confession – it’s usually more convenient – and only ask the spiritual director for confession if I happen to feel a need at the time. It works out well for me on a practical level, and is spiritually helpful because I can experience more than one priestly “approach” to confession.
So it can work either way, I guess it’s really up to the person who’s being spiritually directed and the spiritual director. Thank you.
 
I was having this discussion with someone who told me sometimes it is better to go it alone. Sometimes things don’t work out with a spiritual director.

Someone else told me that spiritual directors in the past were primarily for those who had a vocation such as a Religious vocation Is this true?

Is everyone meant to find a spiritual director?
My Confessor that I was asking about Spiritual Direction, the one I want to change to my Confessor, said that Spiritual Direction can be used by anyone and not just only restricted to people who are discerning a religious vocation.

I know some friends who are in need of spiritual direction and are getting it, but they are not seeking a vocation. They just feel like the need some extra guidance in their lives.
 
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